Freemasonry, secret or not?

reply to post by Dr Cosma


what year were you born?

how many presidents do you remember being in office?

reply to post by network dude


Why would I need you to answer a question about freemasonry?
I can do that personally with someone else.
The stuff I post on this thread is not for you really unless you wish to see what I am saying.
It's for other members really, so they dont fall down the well.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Dr Cosma

 

what year were you born?

how many presidents do you remember being in office?

This just speeks for it self.

You know how to fish?

Your true colours are showing....

reply to post by JoshNorton


Can you care to Explain the Rubbish

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Well thank you for revealing your self

God is only God in the Bible, not Allah , not Budda, not Osiris, Isis, Horus or...drum roll....satan.
God is God?

I know you like to play sematical games but answer this; how many Creators of the Universe are there?

If you call the Creator God, Allah or Great Architect what is the difference?

The Bible only details one version of what some call God.

reply to post by TheLoneArcher


I feel that this accurately encapsulates the problem with the average person's unease about Freemasonry (to the extent that such exists). It's not that we won't or can't answer, it's that they don't know where to start asking.

reply to post by OnTheLevel213


that and immediately accusing your of lying when you do answer. now that makes for a difficult conversation.

reply to post by network dude


I meant more the average person than the conspiracy theorist. My fiancee's been on edge about it for a while, but she doesn't understand how little or much I can tell her. I ask her to ask questions, but she doesn't understand what she can and can't ask, so she doesn't bother. It's frustrating.

reply to post by OnTheLevel213


invite her to an installation. It's as close to a regular meeting as you can get and have public attendance. She will be able to see the lodge, meet the insuing master, and meet the unruly bunch you hang out with. At least then the lodge won't be an abstract idea.

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Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Hespian
Catholic Bishops and Cardinals have been filmed at Bohemian Grove conducting what looks like Black Mass.

I would interested in seeing this films. Can you provide a link?

Catholic Church has pagan/ masonic sybolism throughout. Egyption Obelisk at vatican city. (male phallos, Osiris bodypart). Vatican Dome (female womb, Isis). This parallels the ones in Washington and City of London.

The obelisk is not a Masonic emblem and no where does one appear in the Blue Lodge, neither is the dome a Masonic emblem or symbol.

Filming of Bohemian Grove took place several years back. I'd assume it's common knowledge for most, but perhaps you don't review your progress as masons enough.


The "George Washington" Monument doesn't constitute as an obelisk I guess.

edit on 10-11-2010 by Americanist because: (no reason given)

The Obelisk reference is prob posted throuought ATS in abundance. So it doesn't really matter what my direction of reference points to. It seems that everyone sticks to their view points on here whole heartedly. So theres two sides on the fence on this topic. Agree to disagree then! Can't see a 33rd degree freemason expressing his knowledge on here openly? Or a council of 13/ 33 member giving the heads up.
Google "Washington monument freemason osiris" in any order and you'll find an abundance of results emphasizing this. Are they all misguided? There's also books and documentaries that also conclude this. And of course books that disagree with it.
Its not coincidence is it, that Washington has a Obelisk and a Dome. In London they are represented by Cleopatra's Needles and St Paul's Cathedral. Clock tower Big Ben in some views is one. In Vatican city they are St Peters Dome and Obelisk. In Paris "Cleopatra’s Needle” another Obelisk in front of the Notre Dame. In New York again Obelisk ("Cleopatra's Needles").
The Washington monument was built to commemorate George Washington (a Mason). It was constructed by Masons, according to Masonic tradition.
The Obelisk protrays an ancient phallic symbol of the male energy and solar energy and the dome represents the female or moon energy. They became energy receivers. It also symbolizes the penis of the Egyptian Sun god, Osiris who was killed by Set. Some Masonic historians claim, Hiram Abiff is Osiris reborn. Osiris being reborn through these energy receivers capable of assimilating Ra's essence from the rays of the sun. The seed of the deity would be transmitted upward from the underworld throught the base (testes) Of the Obelisk. Then fertilize the Dome (Isis).Osiris could then be reborn again.
Hiram Abiff killed in the ceremony of the 3rd degree, once it is concluded he is raised, resurrected.
The legend of Osiris and Isis and the number thirteen is often openly discussed in Masonic literature. For instance in Morals and Dogma, Albert Pike enumerated the esoteric significance of the Osiris epic at length, adding that lower-level Masons (Blue Masonry) are ignorant of its true meaning, which is only known to those who are “initiated into the Mysteries.” Pike also spoke of the star Sirius—connected to Isis and at length to Lucifer/Satan—as “still glittering” in the Masonic lodges as “the Blazing Star.” Elsewhere in Morals and Dogma, Pike reiterated that the “All-Seeing Eye…was the emblem of Osiris” and that the “Sun was termed by the Greeks the Eye of Jupiter, and the Eye of the World; and his is the All-Seeing Eye in our Lodges.”
But other masonic authors do claim, to be fair, the "All Seeing Eye", "The Eye of Providence" does not relate to Horus. But the "GAOTU".
Ps..
Ill look out the source of the black mass when i get a chance.

Hiram Abiff killed in the ceremony of the 3rd degree, once it is concluded he is raised, resurrected.

At least this part is demonstrably untrue. Hiram Abiff is raised from his grave to be buried elsewhere. Any death/rebirth angle to the story of Hiram Abiff ignores this explicit statement from the ritual.

First; thank you LoneArcher for your post. Your words were well spoken. It is good to see a fellow brother step up and point out the truths of Masonry amung all the errors. I would like to add a few things. Most people see Masonry as a sinister society, usually a bunch of satan worshipers. I find it interesting that most of the "facts" that everyone talks about are things that they read somewhere or heard from somone else. These so called ex-masons who come forth with "secrets" of devil worship and such I also find interesting in that they fail to prove themselves to be masons and usually state things that are not true and prove to fellow Masons that these people are not brothers. If you wish to trully know what Masonry is about, join. Stop watching the History Channel specials that are geard towards sensationalism and raitings, stop reading posts by people who know nothing of our work. Go knock on the door and find that "To he who knocks, the door will be opened". As far as Masonry only being open to Males of a certain age (that age seeming to differ from one country to the next) is due to ancient traddition. Masonry is tied to the ancient schools of mistery and these, due to the times and thoughts of the day, were open to males of legal age. Masonry holds tight to its traditions so as not to spoil any of its teachings. A man in the US must be 21 to join for it is the main age deemed as the age of consent. The man has had enuph time to come to know himself and his world to make rational decisions on his own. Masonry is only open to men, as stated; but, there are bodies within Masonry that is open to women and children alike, to bring together the entire family. A college fraternity may only accept men that are members of that college, would you also expect them to allow women and members of other colleges? No, this is silly as it is accepted by all that this is tradition. There are fraternities for the ladies and there are fraternities for other colleges.These do not intermix or allow others from other schools and such to join, this is the genral accepted tradition of things. Would you single out a fraternity from Yale and demand that they allow students from Harverd to join? Or would you state that there is evil intent with a fraternity from Brown since they only allow women to join? Why then point your finger at Masonry and claim the same? Masonry is built on a very true nature of the working of the universe.There is a GOD who created the Universe and everything in it, whoever or whatever you may call GOD. We call GOD the Great Architect so as not to offend anyone within Masonry who is of their own religion, for Masonry is open to all of all religions and no one religion is dominant. The Holy Bible is open in the lodge to show reverance to GOD; but, not to a particular faith. Anyone who wishes may have their own Sacred Text on display during their initiations. The Bible is simply tradition and any other book may be found on display at any Lodge that chooses to display a differant text. As far as special favors being allowed in the regular work society and within government, this is true of any social order. If you had a brother who was needing a job and you owned your own business, would you not give him the job before ever searching for a more qualified employee? This is normal human behavior; but, it is not tollerated within Masonry. Religion and politics are not subjects to be spoken within lodge. This leads to strife and discord. Any Mason who is found in violation of such fundamental tenants are repramanded and may even be removed from the Lodge. It is frowned upon for favoritism and such to take place among Brothers. We hold out a helping hand to all. (Even evil ones hold out offerings) I believe I read here, this is true, and so do the righteous. "It is by their works that you will know them". It is impossible to know the works of someone you do not know. If you wish to know them by thier works, then seek them out, get to know them and what they do. I have read many books on history and social activities and have never found anything that would state that Pike was a devil worshiper, I don't know where this comes from. Alister Crowly was not, as far as I know, a true Mason and his membership as a fellow was withdrawn due to his lack of moral character and self debauchery. I find it interesting that of the hundreds and thousands of good men, men who changed the world, men who strove to make society a better place, to destroy bigotry and hate, to unite all as one family, it is the few "bad apples",even ones who were never members, are the ones who are pointed out as the true face of Masonry. Would you look to your family tree and of all your ancestors that made a great contribution to society you focus on the couple of black sheep that did a couple of bad things in their life and call your family bad becouse of them? No, you can't judge a family, a group, a society based on the inevitable problems that lerk within. Have you ever seen the dispicable things that go on within the Christian church, the Jewish church, the Muslim church, the Catholic church, etc, and yet we forgive them due to their underlying lessons. And so you pick out one institution and blame it for the world problems when it has made great strives to ease mans suffering. There is a simple truth within Masonry that seems to be the bain of many people and goes unexplained. Masonry is a Mystery School dedicated to enlightening the man who seeks light. It is based on the truth that there is a GOD who oversees everything. When GOD is ready to bestow light on a man, that man may find a longing within his heart to understand the mysteries of the world and himself. GOD may lead this man to Masonry so that he may be taught these devine truths. It is not for Masonry to seek out who it wishes to join and learn the lessons, for this would be a slippery slope that would devistate the underlying foundation of the order and lead to its destruction. We must not seek out who we think is ready to hear; but, must wait for GOD to lead them to us that we may teach. One must seek to find, not one must stare at the ground and hope the truth finds them. Why do we not simply give our teachings to all and let all people learn the lessons of Masonry? We have, the teachings of Masonry are all about you. They are there when you wake up, they are there when you walk down the street, they are there when you hear the sermons in church, they are there when you surf the internet. It is the mind that is ready to percieve and understand the meaning of these teachings that see them. It is those who are not ready who say "where are they"? Keep searching, stop pointing your fingers for not being ready. Every man, woman and child will be ready in their own time. This time is determined by them and GOD, no one else. Masonry can no more teach you what you are not ready to learn than a cat can learn to drive a car, unless it's ready. Do not use the "Holier than thou" referance for do you not hold the same manners in your everyday life? Every thing you do, say and teach to others is based on their ability to percieve what your going to say or do. Would you yell at a man for not telling you the time when that man does not speak the same language? Go and learn the language and then ask GOD to lead you to who you should ask the time from. GOD is in controle and Masons understand this and live by it for it is the truth of life. To condem them for this is folly. "Know thyself sayith the Lord". Stop pointing fingers and take the time to trully evaluate your own motives. Stop taking other peoples rants about things you have never experianced yourself, as truths. Seek the truth out for yourself and then make an educated decission on what you wish to believe. If everyone did this, the world would be a much better place.

Mate, redo your post will you, I really can't be arsed to read a response that is so long and isn't split into sentences or paragraphs.

Umm, so, why does the creator (God) speak so much about "an eye single"?? I think you are looking for confrontation, the one eye, or "eye single to the glory of God" is a statement of Unity dude, not how many eyes He has, or sees with.....

Go fight with someone your own calibre

reply to post by Dr Cosma

reply to post by kinkykoala


Dont talk rubbish you dont know.
I was referring to the Qu'ran.
Read the posts before joining the circus.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


hey, congratulations on using a link. You will be amazed at how much father you can go in a discussion with them.
Nice Job.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


linky

Hadith attributed to Muhammad give many signs of the appearance of the Dajjal, and exhorted his followers to recite the first and last ten verses of Sura Al-Kahf, as protection from the trials and mischief of the Dajjal. It is said that he will have right eye damaged and the left will be working because knowledge acquired through the right eyecan be nūrī (means that pertaining to light) and through the left nārī (that pertaining to fire). It is also said that he will have the word kafir (nonbeliever) on his forehead.

That bolded sentence kind of kills your whole video. Your premise is that the eye and pyramid or Eye of Hours is the evil the Muslims are talking about. The sentence above is talking about the evil one having a damaged eye. He would have to have two for one to be damaged.

But thanks for providing something to discuss.

reply to post by network dude


Not my video.
Not me saying that only one of islams top sheikhs.
Watch the whole series maybe it changes your perception of things.
Dont stay in the 'Dark'.
I am done now in this thread, there is no way you will open up and no way you can be trusted any way.
You have the whole cavalry in here giving each other little stars and simply brushing off everything thats been posted.
I said my piece.
Time to give it a rest for me.
The only thing I have learned from this thread is, nothing.
Which is what I think it's meant to be.
Have fun.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
reply to post by network dude

 

Not my video.
Not me saying that only one of islams top sheikhs.

Oh, I thought that was where you got your idea about the one eye being evil and all. If you don't mind, could you link your information on that? It might make more sense.

Watch the whole series maybe it changes your perception of things.
Dont stay in the 'Dark'.
I am done now in this thread, there is no way you will open up and no way you can be trusted any way.
You have the whole cavalry in here giving each other little stars and simply brushing off everything thats been posted.
I said my piece.
Time to give it a rest for me.
The only thing I have learned from this thread is, nothing.
Which is what I think it's meant to be.
Have fun.

well I hope you bring more like you have in the last post with you next time. that really does make a difference.