Freemasonry, secret or not?

reply to post by Americanist

Its all assumptions. There is no concrete evidence. Its like those that say there is a Templar-Mason connection. Or that Aleister Crowley was a Mason.

Its basically Hitler's premise against Freemasonry. Blame the Jews, the bankers, who secretly control the Freemasons.

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by Americanist

 

Its all assumptions. There is no concrete evidence. Its like those that say there is a Templar-Mason connection. Or that Aleister Crowley was a Mason.

Its basically Hitler's premise against Freemasonry. Blame the Jews, the bankers, who secretly control the Freemasons.

Right out of the play book... Work your way up to Hitler. The only gripe I can find with you... Your tactics are way too predictable.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Americanist
How about click on member profiles for further information?

Rarely, and typically only if they mention that there is something of relevance contained therein, which you elusively failed to do despite repeated direct requests which indeed constitutes purposeful obtuesness.

It took you this long to finally post that you want us to be redirected so that we can read your blog?

I have a suggestion, when you come to a discussion board, arrive prepared to post your thoughts and ideas in a precise, cogent and coherent manner so that others may discuss them with you. Pumping your own conflated site is never going to spur an intellectual exchange of ideas which is glaringly evident by your inability, or unwillingness to discuss in depth the flacid points you previously posted.

edit on 9-11-2010 by AugustusMasonicus because: Networkdude has no beer

You know what this is starting to sound like? The whole modus operandi of Freemasonry.

reply to post by KSigMason


Remember what I said, you cannot corrupt the incorruptible.
The freemasons are a world wide cult with members who sit on positions of power and push for a new world order.
They are part of a witchcraft conspiracy and can only fool a few people.
Those who stay hidden is because they have something to hide.
Those who feel they think they know more than the next man just because they wear an apron, you make me laugh.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


why do you two keep flapping your jaws and offer nothing but empty words? In order for a mason to be in charge of a large corrupt organization, he would have to be :
1. a mason
2. have a lodge number which all masons have
3. have something other than the word of an internet dweller that something corrupt is happening.

when you two come back with something along those lines, I am sure we can have a spirited discussion. Until then, yea, you will probably get the same kind of responses. Unless you want me to start blaming all sorts of crimes on your family. Without any proof of course.

Originally posted by Americanist
You know what this is starting to sound like? The whole modus operandi of Freemasonry.

yes, and the regular banter of a fundie. Bring facts to a discussion and you will find amazingly better results.

remember, linky, linky or it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
reply to post by network dude

 

Dont try and school me, it wont work.
You cannot corrupt the incorruptible.
Me and other members have posted proof on this thread about world wide conspiracy by the freemason cult.
Let me tell you something, my opinion, the illuminati are not the enemy of the vatican as the evil media would love us all to believe. The jesuit order are the illuminati. It's like a sub company to blame everything on.
The freemasons work for the royal elite who are in bed with the vatican.
Vatican - royal elite - secret societies
or
Royal elite - vatican - secret societies......

Like I said one big happy family.

so you are against everything the Illuminati stood for? You agree with the treatment they got. Is that what you are saying here. I just want to be crystal clear.

reply to post by network dude


Do I believe the story....no!
Thats what im saying here.
Do I believe within the freemason their is another society, a society within a society.....yes!
Do I believe all roads lead to rome....yes!
Do I believe the illuminati and the vatican are one....yes!
Extra, extra, conspiracy...
Do I believe you could possibly be all lying.....yes!
Do I believe this thread or any other thread about freemasonry started by freemasons is disinfo.....yes!
Thats what I believe...

Originally posted by Dr Cosma

Skull n bones is a chapter from freemasonry taken to America by the British.
Second line.

Ummmm, no.

Skull and Bones was founded in 1832 after a dispute among Yale's debating societies, Linonia, Brothers in Unity, and Calliope, over that season's Phi Beta Kappa awards.....The only chapter of Skull and Bones created outside Yale was a chapter at Wesleyan University in 1870. That chapter, the Beta of Skull & Bones, became independent in 1872 in a dispute over control over creating additional chapters; the Beta Chapter reconstituted itself as Theta Nu Epsilon

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by network dude


How can you sit there and wonder why you lot cannot be trusted.
Seriously?
After reading nearly the entire thread, all the posts, the only conclusion a logical person can come to is that you will all lie and keep things from us.
So you cannot be trusted.

reply to post by Masonic Light


Ah yes...ok...
Second line

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Dr Cosma

 

why do you two keep flapping your jaws and offer nothing but empty words? In order for a mason to be in charge of a large corrupt organization, he would have to be :
1. a mason
2. have a lodge number which all masons have
3. have something other than the word of an internet dweller that something corrupt is happening.

when you two come back with something along those lines, I am sure we can have a spirited discussion. Until then, yea, you will probably get the same kind of responses. Unless you want me to start blaming all sorts of crimes on your family. Without any proof of course.

Offer nothing but empty words?
What like your whole organization?
Have you read the entire thread?
I have posted alot of stuff unlike you.
All you people do is say "oh he was not part of the 'real masons', he was part of a clandestine group"....please.
"Oh they were not the masons in control it was the mafia trying to seek cover in a lodge"....im not going to laugh there.
So no, it is you who flaps his jaws trying to claim along with the cavalry that freemasonry is all good and pure.
Save your breath and energy.
It will not work with me.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


I partially agree with you that the Vatican is most likely the button pusher in most things regarding the world economic status. I think they are behind a great deal of information that is being hidden in order to keep an agenda going. But I think you need to do a bit of research beyond Proto's thread. he did a phenomenal job on it, but apparently some of the information was skimmed over. The Bavarian Illuminati was not a Jesuit order. It was a movement against the tyranny of the church who tried to lump science and religion together. The men who formed it wanted to let people decide what to believe and not be told what to believe by the church, which had gotten all too powerful. Some of the members infiltrated Freemasonry and no doubt tried to recruit within since they both have some of the same ideals. Freemasonry offers no religious path, but does offer direction to find answers. It's up the the individual to decide what to believe. Free thinkers. Freemasons are shunned by the Vatican. Catholics are forbidden to become Freemasons. They offer the KOC as a replacement. A fraternal organization much like masonry, but attached to the church. One thing I have learned here on ATS is to research things myself and not take the word of someone else. History has a tendency to be misconstrued to fit an agenda. Why in a few hundred years, the Holocaust might be a fairy tale. Make sure you know what you are discussing.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


show me any place at all where I have lied to you or anyone else. Just 1.

You offered two of the most common arguments against masonry. Most likely the first two on Freemaosnrywatch.org. Crowley wasn't a real mason. plain and simple fact. Prove me wrong.

P2 was a masonic scandal no doubt. But 1 lodge in Italy made up of mafia members does not an organization make. Once their direction was discovered, they were banned by the UGLE. I once heard that a Born again Christian killed a guy. So I guess all born again Christians are killers in training. See, it's just as stupid when I say it.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Dr Cosma

 

why do you two keep flapping your jaws and offer nothing but empty words? In order for a mason to be in charge of a large corrupt organization, he would have to be :
1. a mason
2. have a lodge number which all masons have
3. have something other than the word of an internet dweller that something corrupt is happening.

when you two come back with something along those lines, I am sure we can have a spirited discussion. Until then, yea, you will probably get the same kind of responses. Unless you want me to start blaming all sorts of crimes on your family. Without any proof of course.

The crime of usury to begin with. And proof you say? Look no further than the first family on the list. I've provided it twice now. I'm sure you've come across a search engine before. Instead of typing the long drawn out tripe, go the extra two seconds and become part of the solution.

reply to post by network dude


Look when you say research things for your self, I have.
When you talk about Aleister Crowley like you knew him, you didnt.
I lived for years in Romney Marsh, next to Hastings.
I have even been to where the evil culprit used to live.
Make a trip and go to Hastings and research your self in person....
Talk to people.
The vatican is nothing but the roman order. They hijacked a movement started by other people.
They changed to christians but that is where the conspiracy lies.
All the secret societies are interwoven and connected in some form or fashion.
At least they are in Europe, I can safely assume USA is the same.

reply to post by Americanist


you must have a much better search engine than I have. I put "Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin masonry" in Google and came up with 5 links to Zionist control articles and this very thread. this thread being the only link to Freemasonry and the Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin. Now I have asked nicely, please show me where :

1. A mason who had been raised in a masonic lodge with a number
2. A group of people who are masons and acting on behalf of masonry
3. This magical "upper tier" of masonry

is in control of said bank. I can't put it any simpler than that. I suggest a reading comprehension class if that isn't clear enough.

Linky linky.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Americanist

 

you must have a much better search engine than I have. I put "Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin masonry" in Google and came up with 5 links to Zionist control articles and this very thread. this thread being the only link to Freemasonry and the Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin. Now I have asked nicely, please show me where :

1. A mason who had been raised in a masonic lodge with a number
2. A group of people who are masons and acting on behalf of masonry
3. This magical "upper tier" of masonry

is in control of said bank. I can't put it any simpler than that. I suggest a reading comprehension class if that isn't clear enough.

Linky linky.

Synchronicity is something we can all appreciate... From a recent thread:

Iraq and Afghanistan were not problems either. They were countries that were not part of the Rothschild Federal Reserve Banking system. Well, they were not before the illegal wars that occurred. I always point to heroes like Rabbi Weiss who accurately delineates zionism and its material obsession. The truth is this goes a lot deeper than even that political level.

Do you know the blasphemy of they who call themselves Jews but are the synagogue of Satan? Do you know result of the congress of Vienna in 1814? It was used for the Rothschild's to gain more control of Europe but Tsar Alexander refused to enslave his people. Nicholas Mayer Rothschild swore his descendantswould destroy the Tsar and his entire family. On July 16, 1918, the Bolsheviks, led by Yakov Yurovsky, brutally murdered the Tsar, his wife, his son, his four daughters, the family's doctor, the Empress' lady-in-waiting, and the family's cook. This is one tiny example.

Look at the War of 1812 and how it was the result of the United States refusal to ratify the charter for the Rothschild banking system. They have control of the gold that belongs to the people of the United States and give you worthless paper with inherent interest on it that YOU must pay. They do not even allow Congress to audit to make sure the gold is still there. Many have tried fearing exactly what happened. This private bank refuses the US government to audit its own gold. Do you not see what has happened?

Don't forget speculative trading and the drug trade. You're a well rounded bunch of folks.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
reply to post by network dude

 

Look when you say research things for your self, I have.
When you talk about Aleister Crowley like you knew him, you didnt.
I lived for years in Romney Marsh, next to Hastings.
I have even been to where the evil culprit used to live.
Make a trip and go to Hastings and research your self in person....
Talk to people.

what I found out about Crowley and what you found out about his is very much irrelevant to this discussion. he was not a member of UGLE freemasonry. FACT. I doubt he would have been allowed in based on some of the decision he made early in his life. But other than the self defense killing, I have yet to see anything pointing to him sacrificing virgins or the like. But he isn't some long lost family member and should I find any evidence that has a factual basis that he was all of the evil things the frightened people claim he was, I would be quick to admit I was wrong. But again, none of that makes him a mason and even if he was, he was ONE GUY.

The vatican is nothing but the roman order. They hijacked a movement started by other people.
They changed to christians but that is where the conspiracy lies.
All the secret societies are interwoven and connected in some form or fashion.
At least they are in Europe, I can safely assume USA is the same.

and that is your opinion. To say that Freemasonry has any ties at all to the Vatican is nuts. Show me something other than opinion. Again, given real proof, it's hard to deny facts. But given innuendo and supposition, it's easy to be misled. Facts are tangible.

reply to post by Americanist


OK, I think we are having a massive breakdown in communication here. Correct me if I am wrong. We are discussing masonic involvement in evil doings of the banking industry right?

If that is the case, then could you

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

show me anywhere in that link or any other reputible source that even implies

FREEMASONRY

is involved.

I'll be right here.