Freemasonry, secret or not?

Originally posted by Americanist
One page... 5 blogs. It's spelled out and far from being cryptic.

What blog? What pages? This is most certainly being very cryptic, or purposely obtuse.

Originally posted by network dude
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so, your not going to produce anything that remotely resembles proof? Ok then. Off to church you go. Don't forget the blinders.

It's not my place to air the history of abuses. I'll steer some in the general direction though. Take for instance the church and prominent Freemason members mentioned earlier. Are these childish rebuttals instilled in you by the brotherhood? If so, you make a shining example of a job well done.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Americanist
One page... 5 blogs. It's spelled out and far from being cryptic.

What blog? What pages? This is most certainly being very cryptic, or purposely obtuse.

Do you ever look at signature files with bold letters? How about click on member profiles for further information? Hard to search out Truth when you're unable to find hard-coded links.

Originally posted by Americanist
How about click on member profiles for further information?

Rarely, and typically only if they mention that there is something of relevance contained therein, which you elusively failed to do despite repeated direct requests which indeed constitutes purposeful obtuesness.

It took you this long to finally post that you want us to be redirected so that we can read your blog?

I have a suggestion, when you come to a discussion board, arrive prepared to post your thoughts and ideas in a precise, cogent and coherent manner so that others may discuss them with you. Pumping your own conflated site is never going to spur an intellectual exchange of ideas which is glaringly evident by your inability, or unwillingness to discuss in depth the flacid points you previously posted.

Interesting post!
I have been looking into the masons for some time now, & although i can find no real proof of underhand activities, one poster pointed out that the lower orders don't know what the higher ups are planning.
By that i mean, your whole organization may well be setting up a NWO dictatorship, and you would not know it.
I don't believe you are in any way satanists or witches, certainly a lot of Egyptian stuff going on, like the symbology, Venus worship etc. Sounds crazy, but there are also crazy religions where a virgin gave birth to a man who could walk on water, so define what's 'crazy' I do see the importance of geometry though.
Certainly they should have never let Crowley in, he was a real nut job.
The Masonic doctrines are very similar to my own, so i don't have a problem with that.
One thing i believe in very firmly is that WE DO need a new world order & one planetary government, first up on the agenda should be to abolish all wars!!
However, i beleive that we (the people) should be allowed (& given the means) to communicate freely, & we will eventually figure it out for ourselves. A TRUE new world order, one we ourselves will make, based on mutual co-operation & respect, not one of subservience forced upon us by people like the Bilderberg group......
Just my 2 cents

Originally posted by rusethorcain


Well... la di da
Guessing you are not aware Solomons Temple was built in the 6th Century - making the origins of Masonry even earlier.

edit on 9-11-2010 by rusethorcain because: fact checking - what a concept!

If I may add to this, someone might have covered it already I havn't gone through all the posts yet lol

It's more along the lines of "paper" evidence of the origin, as in recorded history. The poem is the earliest recording on paper more or less. Some evidence suggests that it can be traced back to Sumerian times, Sumer, Babylon, Akadia etc..

Originally posted by Americanist

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Americanist

 

so, your not going to produce anything that remotely resembles proof? Ok then. Off to church you go. Don't forget the blinders.

It's not my place to air the history of abuses. I'll steer some in the general direction though. Take for instance the church and prominent Freemason members mentioned earlier. Are these childish rebuttals instilled in you by the brotherhood? If so, you make a shining example of a job well done.

no, when I come across someone uniquely obtuse, I tend to turn up the sarcasm meter. Congratulations! you made it to a 4. Linky linky, or it didn't happen. this is ATS and all.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by GlennCanady
Stay away from the Masons. All good men in the Masons need to read this book and step into the light now against the satanic new world order OR face the consequences at the time of your death for serving Satan.

More Satan-nonsense? Not everyone believes in this silly made up boogey man. How can you possibly serve something that does not even exist for you?

RIght on! I was raised Roman Catholic, My family is hard core catholic (my mom's Aunt was canonized, and my fathers uncle is getting petitions to be canonized) However, I do not Practise Catholicism, for my own personal reasons, I do respect my family's religion, however I do not Believe in the existence of Satan. I believe if Satan exists it's within our selves, the evil side of humanity itself is Satan. Everyone has a bit of darkness in them and I feel that is necessary in order to have equilibrium, that is in my opion the basic law of nature.

Originally posted by network dude
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I suppose I could ask for some proof of the accusation that a worldwide masonic conspiracy existed like with sources and junk, but I know already that that is too much to ask on this forum. Any bonehead form anywhere can say anything they want, then show a you tube video of Leo Zagami or Some Ultra cult church garbage about balphamet and masons sacrificing virgins at the blood altar and viola, all the proof a on sided thumper needs. But in all this tripe, amazingly there are a few who decide to engage the rest of their brain cells and see if perhaps there is another side to the story. those are the ones who come to us asking for a bit more information. ignorance is bliss. be blissful my friend.

Some proof like what like this article right here?

www.independent.co.uk...

Or this other one right here?

news.bbc.co.uk...

reply to post by Dr Cosma


new here huh. Well this is a start on that subject. If you use the search function right here, you can get a lot more info. mafia tried to find a hiding place. it didn't work.

reply to post by network dude


Also this article about the founder of the illuminati, a jesuit, a freemason

en.wikipedia.org...

And i'll leave you with this quote from Hitler;

"I learned much from the Order of the Jesuits", said Hitler... "Until now, there has never been anything more grandiose, on the earth, than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organization into my own party... I am going to let you in on a secret... I am founding an Order... In my "Burgs" of the Order, we will raise up a youth which will make the world tremble"

You can see the conspiracy cant you?
Or are you just looking with 'One Eye' ¿

reply to post by Dr Cosma


please tell me all about the Bavarian Illuminati. tell me what they stood for. Why they started. How long they existed. And what they did during their brief existence. After you study that and have answers, please tell me that that organization isn't what 90% of ATS it about. Don't fall into the modern day blame all bogymen on the Illuminati because it sounds cool. If you want the best information out there check this book out. The author is even a member here. Or at least he was.

reply to post by TheLoneArcher


Great article, well written, well thought out...thank you for posting. It took the things I wanted to say, but just didn't know how to express myself clearly. Cheers!

reply to post by network dude


Dont try and school me, it wont work.
You cannot corrupt the incorruptible.
Me and other members have posted proof on this thread about world wide conspiracy by the freemason cult.
Let me tell you something, my opinion, the illuminati are not the enemy of the vatican as the evil media would love us all to believe. The jesuit order are the illuminati. It's like a sub company to blame everything on.
The freemasons work for the royal elite who are in bed with the vatican.
Vatican - royal elite - secret societies
or
Royal elite - vatican - secret societies......

Like I said one big happy family.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


It was the "enlightened" ones who were persecuted by Religious organisations for such things as saying the earth was spherical, and that we are not the center of the universe. And Royal elites were more or less in favor of the religious view, since the royals deffinitely wanted to buy favour into heaven.

By nature people who do not understand certain ideas of knowledge will always say it's the devils work. Another reason for secrecy. I have not seen any proof that Masons are Satanic or have a plan for world domination. All I read is mere speculation and outlandish accusations akin to "Burn the witches!" haha

If you do not understand something, don't make up silly accusations, instead you should truly (and an honest attempt without bias) research the issue, not just look for the negative speculative aspects.

I will say that yes, there are some who join with negative intentions. But to say Masons perpetuate such negative ideals is WRONG, there are corrupt people in every organisation, government, churches, charity groups etc.. Strange to think, one bad apple brings so much attention, yet the countless accounts of good deeds go un-noticed. Kind of like a shirt I saw that read "Nobody ever listens to me, untill I fart" lol

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Also this article about the founder of the illuminati, a jesuit, a freemason

en.wikipedia.org...

Read the book by Terry Melanson that networkdude linked. It is without a doubt the best researched book on the Illuminati available and it succinctly proves that Weishaupt was not a Jesuit.

reply to post by GlennCanady

There is nothing Satanic or evil about the Freemasons. The hogwash spewed against the Freemason is nothing more than lies built upon lies and misinterpretations. Many use known lies or sources using sources using known lies. Its quite the sinister circle that you "pure" ones use.

Freemasons strive to be morally upright men and be charitable. Anti-Masons use religion or safety as their excuse, but hate is their reason and the banner you are all bound by. Many anti-Masons have shown me how easily mislead can be and how easily some can let hate into their heart and use emotion instead of fact to lead their actions. Many claim to be Christians, but if given the power to govern would probably commit many unChristian acts. As a minister, I say "For shame!".

reply to post by Americanist

With alleged ties to organized crime and cartels. You haven't proven anything.

Originally posted by Americanist
What degree are you?

I am at least a 3rd degree Master Mason which is the highest degree a Mason can contain. What degree are you?

reply to post by playswithmachines

Except everyone has a different interpretation of who the "higher ups" are and they are usually wrong about it. Many focus on the numbering system of the Scottish Rite or say there are circles within circles or use some unrecognized body, or even a made up body that controls the Freemasons. I've asked for a consistent definition, but have received nothing. I've even posted a picture with the structure (which is like a tree if you think about it) and it just got passed aside.

Crowley was never a recognized Mason nor were any of his close associates.

I do thank you for keeping an open mind and presenting a very civil argument.

reply to post by Dr Cosma

Well, we try our best to dispel the lies, but as some say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by GlennCanady

 

There is nothing Satanic or evil about the Freemasons. The hogwash spewed against the Freemason is nothing more than lies built upon lies and misinterpretations. Many use known lies or sources using sources using known lies. Its quite the sinister circle that you "pure" ones use.

Freemasons strive to be morally upright men and be charitable. Anti-Masons use religion or safety as their excuse, but hate is their reason and the banner you are all bound by. Many anti-Masons have shown me how easily mislead can be and how easily some can let hate into their heart and use emotion instead of fact to lead their actions. Many claim to be Christians, but if given the power to govern would probably commit many unChristian acts. As a minister, I say "For shame!".

reply to post by Americanist

 

With alleged ties to organized crime and cartels. You haven't proven anything.

Originally posted by Americanist
What degree are you?

I am at least a 3rd degree Master Mason which is the highest degree a Mason can contain. What degree are you?

reply to post by playswithmachines

 

Except everyone has a different interpretation of who the "higher ups" are and they are usually wrong about it. Many focus on the numbering system of the Scottish Rite or say there are circles within circles or use some unrecognized body, or even a made up body that controls the Freemasons. I've asked for a consistent definition, but have received nothing. I've even posted a picture with the structure (which is like a tree if you think about it) and it just got passed aside.

Crowley was never a recognized Mason nor were any of his close associates.

I do thank you for keeping an open mind and presenting a very civil argument.

reply to post by Dr Cosma

 

Well, we try our best to dispel the lies, but as some say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

I had to quote the entire piece, and you'll start to see why. Lies? How about carefully omitting references I made to the banking industry? Half truths count as lies. You took my statement, axed a word, and then challenged me on what you just crafted to suit your advantage. It might work that way, if you're sitting on the Federal Reserve Board, but rest assured... It's being scored in the grand scheme of things.

My statement:

With ties to organized crime and the banking cartel... Your own track record would honestly nix Brotherly Love.

Your rebuttal:

With alleged ties to organized crime and cartels. You haven't proven anything.

This is not a simple case of right and wrong, but in your case... I'll drop the bomb on you.

Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin
Lazares Brothers Banks of Paris
Israel Moses Seif Bank of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam
Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York
Goldman, Sachs Bank of New York.


Start at the top of the list, and work your way down to something familiar... Say the Israel Supreme Court building.

reply to post by Americanist

Still don't see any Masonic connection in there.

Originally posted by KSigMason
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Still don't see any Masonic connection in there.

Of course you wouldn't. It's part of your jig.