Freemasonry, secret or not?

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Masonry endorses the position that whether one be Muslim, Jewish, or Christian, only those who are Masons will survive in “God’s Eternity.”

Where in Freemasonry does it say this? A book? A person? A date? A link to any kind of source?

I have never thought of resignation from Freemasonry. My life experiences have given me no reason as why I should.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Concerning the Masonic Potentate, the Bible says.

There is no such thing as the 'Masonic Potentate' and noboby would be swearing anything to a man even if there were.

Get your facts straight and stop quoting fundementalist websites that are obviously (except to you) pushing a biased agenda.

Contradictions, contradictions;

"I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:2-3).

"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them (other gods), nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me" (Exodus 20:5).

How can you accept other Gods or religions and then hold the Bible sacred and say "if there are contradictions you will resign"

Ignorance is bliss, do not 'stay' in the 'dark'.

'Dig the well before you are thirsty'

Resignation papers, anyone?
Oh I get it, I shouldnt of trusted your word in the first place...

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
How can you accept other Gods or religions...

Maybe because God is God whatever God's name may be in your native tounge? There is no way that you can be that obtuse not to understand the premise.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


In the Bible there is only one God, are you debating that?
Resignation papers, anyone?

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
In the Bible there is only one God, are you debating that?

In the Universe there is only one God.

Are you debating that?

Thought not.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
In the Bible there is only one God, are you debating that?

In the Universe there is only one God.

Are you debating that?

Thought not.

Answer my question with another question?....ok

Im not debating anything. It was'nt me who said about contradictions.

My question remains, are you debating that in the Bible, one of the book you hold holy, there is only one God, and that it is not written in the Bible?

You must know Gepetto, master of puppets?

Resignation papers, anyone?

'If you kick a stone in anger, you'll hurt your own foot'

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
.My question remains, are you debating that in the Bible, one of the book you hold holy, there is only one God, and that it is not written in the Bible?

God is God, whether God is in the Bible or not. There is no differentiation. How many Creators do you know of?

Stop playing semantics.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
.My question remains, are you debating that in the Bible, one of the book you hold holy, there is only one God, and that it is not written in the Bible?

God is God, whether God is in the Bible or not. There is no differentiation. How many Creators do you know of?

Stop playing semantics.

Well thank you for revealing your self
God is only God in the Bible, not Allah , not Budda, not Osiris, Isis, Horus or...drum roll....satan.
God is God?
Ok youve just dug your self a deeper hole.
So what you are saying is that im right and that anytime soon I should see some resignation papers?

Resignation papers, anyone?

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
God is only God in the Bible, not Allah , not Budda, not Osiris, Isis, Horus or...drum roll....satan.
God is God?

You've completely missed Augustus' point. God has been around a lot longer than the Bible. The Bible presents the Hebrews' concept of God. The reason you're using it as your source of argument is because of your geographic location. Had you been born in Yemen, you'd be quoting the Qu'ran. If you were Chinese, the Tao Te Ching.

The fact that the Christian Empire conquered the western world and imposed its religion on everybody has nothing to do with the true attributes of God.

reply to post by Masonic Light


The fact that freemason teachings contradict the Bible is still there....
The fact that the antichrist in the Qu'ran is called the 'One Eyed Deceiver' is still there...
Im not the one who hold these books holy.
Yes the vatican slaughtered alot of people, the vatican, not true christians, 'Roman Catholics'.
The contradictions are there...
The resignation papers are not.

Resignation papers, anyone?

Like I said before 'If you kick a stone in anger, you will hurt your own foot'

I am a person who is searching for answers, dont write "I'll resign" if you dont meen it, know what I meen?

Cos then how can I take anything else seriously?

My word is my honour.

reply to post by Dr Cosma


If you look for contradictions in the Bible, you will find huge ones. They are everywhere. The bible was not written by one man. The bible is a collection of history put together to serve as a rule and guide of faith. I don't think it was ever meant to be taken 100% literal, but that is strictly my own opinion. God is the one and only creator, as far as I believe. There is only one God. Again, in my belief. Masonry only asks that you believe in a single creator. Nobody cares what you call him. That way a guy who calls him Allah can sit next to a guy who calls him Yawe and not have the urge to kill each other. Not sure if you know this, but a lot of wars have been fought over religion. And as has been said, neither you nor I will know who is right until death. So arguing about it here is stupid beyond belief. Yet it happens. Hence the need for a logo of Deny Ignorance. Your apparent need to have every mason resign from their post is strange. Almost like an adolescent game. Being a kid is a wonderful time in life and should be spent having fun and enjoying all the lack of responsibility that goes along with the age. Life will arrive sooner than you think and you will long to have that time back.

Believing that masonry is a demonic anti-Christian group is anyones prerogative. And if all the truth and explaining will not convince you otherwise, then I suggest you feel vindicated in your belief that we are all demons and go on with your life. I am quite sure none of us will attempt to take over your soul or eat your still beating heart, so have no fear. Go play ball or something.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma

The fact that freemason teachings contradict the Bible is still there....

Masonic teachings come from the same source as the important teachings in the Bible. i.e., the mysteries.

The fact that the antichrist in the Qu'ran is called the 'One Eyed Deceiver' is still there...

So?

Im not the one who hold these books holy.

Then why are you quoting them?

Yes the vatican slaughtered alot of people, the vatican, not true christians, 'Roman Catholics'.

The Christian Empire conquering the west took place long before the Vatican state came into existence.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by Dr Cosma

The fact that freemason teachings contradict the Bible is still there....

Masonic teachings come from the same source as the important teachings in the Bible. i.e., the mysteries.

The fact that the antichrist in the Qu'ran is called the 'One Eyed Deceiver' is still there...

So?

Im not the one who hold these books holy.

Then why are you quoting them?

Yes the vatican slaughtered alot of people, the vatican, not true christians, 'Roman Catholics'.

The Christian Empire conquering the west took place long before the Vatican state came into existence.

This is the only defence you have?
Just because im not religious, doesnt give me the right to quote and investigate?
Have I got that right?
The 'One Eyed Deceiver' in the Qu'ran is the antichrist and all you have to say is "so"?
What do you meen so?
The freemason cult and the 'Eye'?
A top sheikh from islam, an islamic scholar, islam believes that the 'One Eyed Deceiver', The Dajjal, The Antichrist is he who deceives and has one eye.
Wait let me think for a moment, 2+2=4, whay!
Anyway what I am saying is the contraction is there, in plain sight.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma

Anyway what I am saying is the contraction is there, in plain sight.

and in the Bible the loving God ordered Abraham to Kill his only son, and just before Abraham plunged the knife into his bound son on the altar, he said, just kidding. Contradiction? in my eyes.

edit to add: Trying not to be a hypocrite, here is a link to the appropriate Bible verse which contains that story.

reply to post by network dude


When and where did I say you were a demon?
"Illumina me", please.
My opinion is this, if you dont know that there is conspiracy worldwide within the freemason cult, then you must be one of those who are been fed a pack of bs. I feel sorry for you.
You are the guys who try to defend something that just isnt so.
You also are the guys throughout history who have been sacrificed by your very own.
Take the Spanish civil war and Franco's succession for example.
Franco made a campaign against the freemasons....wait, but he was a freemason, no top ranking freemason went down, just those who thought it was all about brotherly love.
The soldiers fighting wars have taken an oath. They are fed an ideology and believe and uphold it. But way up command the reality of why they are at war is another.
A system of systems, ay.

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
More contradictions anyone?
Ketchup?
Resignation papers?

Concerning the Masonic Potentate, the Bible says:
“….JESUS CHRIST…who is the blessed and ONLY POTENTATE…”
1 Timothy 6: 14-15
In the first degree of Freemasonry, as an Entered Apprentice, one is required to place a curse on
himself and swear an oath. The swearing of this oath (“I do most solemnly and sincerely promise
and swear, binding myself under no less penalty that to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn
out by the roots…so help me God..” is in direct disobedience to the Biblical command “Do not
swear at all;…simply let your “Yes” be “yes” and your ‘No,” “No”;

ANYTHING BEYOND THIS COMES FROM THE EVIL ONE

.” (Matthew 5:34-37). One of the first things that one is
required to do to become a Freemason is to disobey God and break one of His commands.
If someone embraces the teachings of Freemasonry, he thus rejects some of the teachings of Jesus
Christ. Concerning anyone who rejects Jesus or His teaching, Jesus says:
“…He who rejects me rejects Him who sent me.” Luke 10:16
“There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; …for I did not speak of
my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.” ,John.

edit on 11-11-2010 by Dr Cosma because: (no reason given)

see bold area for clarification. If you don't believe this stuff, then don't reprint it. If you do believe this stuff, seek professional help.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Dr Cosma

 

If you look for contradictions in the Bible, you will find huge ones. They are everywhere. The bible was not written by one man. The bible is a collection of history put together to serve as a rule and guide of faith. I don't think it was ever meant to be taken 100% literal, but that is strictly my own opinion. God is the one and only creator, as far as I believe. There is only one God. Again, in my belief. Masonry only asks that you believe in a single creator. Nobody cares what you call him. That way a guy who calls him Allah can sit next to a guy who calls him Yawe and not have the urge to kill each other. Not sure if you know this, but a lot of wars have been fought over religion. And as has been said, neither you nor I will know who is right until death. So arguing about it here is stupid beyond belief. Yet it happens. Hence the need for a logo of Deny Ignorance. Your apparent need to have every mason resign from their post is strange. Almost like an adolescent game. Being a kid is a wonderful time in life and should be spent having fun and enjoying all the lack of responsibility that goes along with the age. Life will arrive sooner than you think and you will long to have that time back.

Believing that masonry is a demonic anti-Christian group is anyones prerogative. And if all the truth and explaining will not convince you otherwise, then I suggest you feel vindicated in your belief that we are all demons and go on with your life. I am quite sure none of us will attempt to take over your soul or eat your still beating heart, so have no fear. Go play ball or something.

And dammit, I wish I was a kid again.
Or maybe a kid like you, muahahahah...? no?
When did I state that I want every mason on this thread to resign?
Enlighten me, please.
It wasnt me who said about resigning, was it?
Or was it?
Where have we gotten to since the begining of the thread, to nowhere. Why?
We all know why, dont we?

reply to post by network dude


Dont make silly suggestions about seeking professional help to someone you have never met.
We are talking about the freemason cult in general.
Dont be synical, it's not needed.
The fact that I believe in God or is none of your concern, since I dont belong to any religion, fraternal order, secret cult or anything.
The fact that I like this topic has got NOTHING to do with you.
So why try to make me look like a kid when im not.
Prove im a kid. Let me see some form of evidence.
lol

Originally posted by Dr Cosma
Where have we gotten to since the begining of the thread, to nowhere. Why?
We all know why, dont we?

I think it has something to do with your meandering point and lack of facts. But don't quote me on that.

I have a splendid idea. If you have a question, statement, or comment on masonry or a particular mason, you could ask it, or post it. then if you would like some feed back, you could phrase it as a question. Then everyone reading this thread would not feel as if they wasted 20 minutes of their lives running in the same circles you and your little friend have been going in.

again, to reiterate, ask question, get answer. in that order.