Global Warming is not only NOT a hoax, but it is about 10,000 times worst than your worst nightmare.

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
Hate to inform you, but it is a hoax. In the 1970's a very similar idea known as "Global Freezing " was used as means to extort money from the American people, suggesting that we were making a difference during that time. At that time, they suggested that we were going to experience and Ice Age?. Only problem is, it never happened as they claimed. People got smart and saw through the propaganda.
Now, a few decades later, we have the alleged " Global Warming ", ( a little to much resemblance of the first title in the 70's ), and low and behold we have all this alleged evidence, that was questioned by highly respected scientists to be false. Not to mention, Al Gores's own scientist's defecting and coming clean.
Its all BS, and some of you are buying into it hook, line and sinker! BWAAAHHHAA!!!

source:www.wnho.net...

source: globalwarminghoax.wordpress.com...

Is this a hoax too?:

Hows this for evidence:


Arctic permafrost leaking methane at record levels

Scientists have recorded a massive spike in the amount of a powerful greenhouse gas seeping from Arctic permafrost, in a discovery that highlights the risks of a dangerous climate tipping point.

Experts say methane emissions from the Arctic have risen by almost one-third in just five years, and that sharply rising temperatures are to blame.

The discovery follows a string of reports from the region in recent years that previously frozen boggy soils are melting and releasing methane in greater quantities. Such Arctic soils currently lock away billions of tonnes of methane, a far more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, leading some scientists to describe melting permafrost as a ticking time bomb that could overwhelm efforts to tackle climate change.

They fear the warming caused by increased methane emissions will itself release yet more methane and lock the region into a destructive cycle that forces temperatures to rise faster than predicted.

Paul Palmer, a scientist at Edinburgh University who worked on the new study, said: "High latitude wetlands are currently only a small source of methane but for these emissions to increase by a third in just five years is very significant. It shows that even a relatively small amount of warming can cause a large increase in the amount of methane emissions."


www.guardian.co.uk...

and this

"Generally speaking, destabilization of subsea permafrost means that it fails to further prevent methane leakage from seabed deposits of methane stored in the ESAS," said Shakhova. "This provides the global carbon budget with a previously unconsidered and very specific type of methane source."

Unlike other terrestrial and marine sources, which gradually release methane as it forms, the shelf is emitting methane that has accumulated in seabed deposits for hundreds of thousands of years and until now was restricted by permafrost, says Shakhova.

"As methane has been permanently originating in the seabed since it was formed, these deposits are huge and emissions of this ready-to-go methane to the water column only depend on occurence of migration pathways (provided or not provided by permafrost)," she said. "These emissions could be non-gradual, sudden, more or less massive, they could even be abrupt."

The methane released from ESAS does not become oxidized by microbes as it passes through the water column, unlike methane released from the oceanic hydrate deposits found at depths of more than 700 m. "In the ESAS this bio-filter does not work because the water is very shallow – mean depth is less than 50 m – and there is just not enough time for oxidation," said Shakhova.

"Moreover, Arctic shallow hydrate deposits are three times more sensitive to warming than oceanic deposits," said Shakhova. "This means that three times less energy (provided by warming) is required to destabilize them compared to deep oceanic hydrates."

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Originally posted by GunzCoty
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

I wont lie i did not read the whole post. But just want to give my point of view.
Global warming is real but man made global warming is a hoax.

Watch the video and click my links and then come back here and tell me that it's a hoax. I dare you. I double dog dare you.

Originally posted by Nathan-D
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

Why would I write a thesis about their myriad lies when they have already been thoroughly and meticulously debunked by others.

I'm sure you would. In any case I don't have the time or the broadband capacity.

paraphrase of following article) 97 percent of climate scientists say that global warming is real and is a direct result of carbon dioxide (CO2) emitted by man. The 3 percent that do not subscribe to this theory are far less qualified and included people like Richard Lindzen (google his name to see how he has been proven time and again to be a lying sociopath).

Your statement that 97% of climate scientists say that CAGW is real and dangerous is a completely unprovable statement. There has been no mass surveys. The one you're referring to (usually cited by CAGW-zealots) I believe included 3,000 people and only a small portion of them had any expertise in climate science. Even if there was an overwhelming consensus though, it has to come from somewhere (i.e. some evidence that shows adding more CO2 to the atmosphere will heat the planet catastrophically) and it cannot come from a correlation or ice melting because that does not contain any information about what is causing the warming. I am still waiting to see what your overwhelming evidence for AGW consists of. Do you have any empirical evidence that MMGW due to CO2 is more than insignificant and dangerous enough we should be restructuring energy economies?

The Arctic is melting. 2010 had the 3rd lowest sea ice area but the LOWEST VOLUME EVER RECORDED.

Melting ice is a result of warming but it doesn't tell us what caused the warming. Making such arguments shows you don't understand "cause and effect". Methane being released from melting ice is also a result of warming and does not tell us what is causing the warming. Incidentally it's worth noting that the Holocene Maximum (around 5,000 years ago) was significantly hotter than current temperatures and the planet didn't warm catastrophically from methane due to melting ice and nor did species die-off en masse. In fact, the last three interglaciations have been much hotter.

lowest sea ice area but the LOWEST VOLUME EVER RECORDED

Recorded since when exactly?

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Nathan, let's just agree that you cherry pick facts and nothing I say is going to convince you. I am looking for answers, you are looking for evidence to support your KNOWLEDGE that GW is a hoax.

Originally posted by inchworm
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

The problems with global warming is THIS: I've spent alot of time in warm/hot places and I have to say I like it. Who's gonna complain if we have summer all year long and old man winter goes bye-bye? Not this guy (not me).

So let the globe warm herself up as much as she can because I say its' always better on the beach (muscle beach)

And by the way, thanks for taking the time to write this article here.

Ronnie W.

My pleasure Ronnie...it's kind of fun in a weird way, lol

As for it being warm, it's not about warm weather. It's about melting ice, sea level rise, and worldwide crop failures if temps get too high. If it were just about bringing Miami-like weather to Chicago I don't think ANYONE would have a problem with global warming

Originally posted by loner007
dont waste your time trying to convince the masses they are too stupid to understand , they all think its all a scam. Anyway it dosent matter its too late to do anything about it we have gone past the tipping point. Humankind has developed a government system where intelligent people are minorited in favour of wealthy stupid people who only wants to make money at other peoples expense and dont see long term.

So just sit back and enjoy the end show especially the part when people start asking how did this happen......

THE ILLUMINATI ARE NOT STUPID, WE ARE FOR LETTING THEM CONTROL. They are greedy motherf****s and they do what they want when they want, we are in hell, its time people wake up

Originally posted by laiguana
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

I haven't really wasted any effort on people who think global warming is a hoax, because it seems they have their own version of what it is anyway.

From my understanding is that global warming is a slow, but steady increase in the global temperature, given only a few degrees higher over a period of time.

People who are brainwashed by the right-wing media will immmediatley think that we won't encounter any more 'cold days' due to global warming or that are trying to intermingle environmentalist agendas with the reality of global warming.

It is a cycle that has existed on earth for milleniums....ice ages come and go...and when they go, it would only be expected that the global temperature has increased, and that the global icecaps and glaciers have melted away (perhaps not entirely, but significantly), and also that sea levels rise in effect.

Like I said....I wouldn't waste time on these folks. They're no different than creationists.

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While I know they would disagree, I'm afraid you are correct.

However, global warming is slow until a positive feedback kicks in. That is the point of my post. The permafrost has melted and vast quantities of methane are escaping into the atmosphere. The researchers say that if 1 percent were to be released it would cause CATASTROPHIC temperature rise overnight...and it is being released as you read this.

www.youtube.com...

While people perhaps may be right in saying that no one can (or has yet) conclusively prove that climate change is due to man's own interference, they equally can not state that they KNOW that factories and cars and all the rest have had NO bearing on the change. Are you in possession of some super-secret data we are not aware of? Or just powered by your own get-rich-quick scheme, conspiracy frame of mind? That this was done to make $$$?

I personally find it MORE likely by far, that it is caused by human interference, than in the last couple hundred years, when we are going through our industrial revolution, that the Earth is also coincidentally going through a cycle that only happens every what.. 10.. 20 thousand years. Why disregard what very well COULD be our own doing? Why wait until we realize we are utterly screwed, and say "Huh.. I guess it -was- us after all, go figure!"

I work for a leading environmental company, and you would be surprised how VERY little interference it takes from humans, to completely throw the ecosystem out of whack. I hear all the time "Oh.. people are so egotistical, thinking they could have an impact on the entire PLANET." Well, they can. And do... all the time.

reply to post by The_Liberator


I think you are misinterpreting what many are saying. The vast vast majority of people are not saying that Global Warming or climate change is a hoax, they are saying that its not man-made.

I'm sure it has been said but I didn't want to read 17 pages of posts. Just in case, I think the claim of the op as a certified expert on UFOs and Global Warming perfectly describes to the entire argument. Probably should take off the tin foil hat before he posts again. Hilarious.

In 1930-th, in Germany a new “science” suggested that in order to save good people on this planet (i.e. those who had “good genes”) people must exterminate those how have “bad genes”. It was a “scientific breakthrough”, “undeniable science”, etc. And so, the greatest madness began…

And now, the new, fresh science claims that there are too many of us, humans, on this little blue planet and if we want to survive we must exterminate each other… Must pay more taxes, stop economy, stop taking shower to save water, stop making kids, stop breathing. This is simply a new form of fascism.
And look who is promoting both these things: same old New World Order. Very unscientific coincidence, huh?

I wonder when people will grow up to understand this. It’s unbelievable.

I also wonder where the number 10,000 came from in the headline. I hope it’s not the amount of monetary compensation author received for this article? (Just joking, don’t take it personally, please).

Originally posted by blamethegreys
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

Thanks for the reply, I guess. I did put some time into that post on Al Gore. Are you not getting the idea that almost everyone here believe that there are climate changes happening, but the difference is that many of us do not believe or are suspect of the data "proving" that the cause is solely man-made.

All you seem to do is bash and belittle anyone who disagrees with you. Maybe you need to reconsider your membership here at ATS, because the ideal here is to engage in lively intellectual debate, and if you aren't prepared to defend your position with more than a few well-used links, then maybe this class is a little too advanced for ya.
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As for me being obviously wrong...All the info is out there, easily verified and cross referenced. I did it in 3-4 hours, and I was stupid-tired while doing so. The timeline of Al Gore's activities isn't something I made up, or cut and pasted off some right wing blog. I mined the basic data from Wikipedia, and then cross referenced it with company websites and neutral sites as well. Much of what I was mucking around in was investment sites and financial news.
So what he has been up to, when he did what, and the expressed missions of these entities is true. Period.

As far as his goals, yes I extrapolated that from the clear data I had found (and documented, tyvm). It isn't a leap whatsoever to see what I stated. The timing and goals of the different ventures all dovetail very well into a clear picture of manipulation.
Answer me this: Who else is out there, training professional speakers to carry the message first to the intellectuals and sympathizers, once that goal is complete, spending hundreds of millions of dollars to orchestrate a massive PR campaign for MMGW to convince the general population?
No one else is. The flag of MMGW was been picked up by Al Gore, propagated into our culture by him directly, and through his foundations and groups.

And before all of this passionate work to save the earth he positioned himself to become extremely wealthy from the fruits of all his labors. Wheter or not MMGW is true in it's entirety, or partially, or not at all, Al Gore has used this issue to run one of the biggest cons in history.

Another thing that has always bugged me. Have you ever heard MMGW advocates mention Coal Seam Fires? Kind of a dirty little secret the MSM doesn't report on, but if you live near one you're all too aware. Essentially a coal vein ignites through natural or manmade causes, and burns. For thousands of years in some cases. They are notoriously hard to put out...in some cases nearly impossible.
Right now, today, if you could come up with a way to extinguish coal seam fires, you could reduce total world carbon emissions by up to 3%. That number varies wildly depending on the calculations for the depth and extent of the burns...No one has gone down into one of these to investigate! And in my research of these fires I haven't found any hard science to back any of the claims(.1% up to 5+%) .

So your pal Al Gore could just have easily used the profits from his green investments to create an "X-Prize" fund to encourage research and ideas for extinguishing coal seam fires. I think it can be done, with enough minds and technology applied to the problem. When successful, Al could live happily knowing he helped to make a major dent in the carbon footprint of mankind...

But Al Gore didn't do that did he? Coal seam fires are a real, tangible problem we could fix...but investing into solutions like that won't make him any money. So he gives "every penny" to his propaganda machine!

But in all seriousness, as you are a UFO expert and a Global Warming expert, you OBVIOUSLY know that the aliens are terraforming the earth to fit their needs.

I'm not bashing anyone. I'm simply pointing out that the majority of the posters on this site, for whatever reason, seem incapable of objectively looking at the evidence and coming to an informed conclusion.

To answer your question, there are a lot of people trying to convince the public about the seriousness of what we are facing. James Hansen (lead climatologist for NASA), Dan Miller (the guy in the video that no one watched, lol), Bill Mckibben, Ross Gelbspan, and on and on.

You can believe that Al Gore took on the cause of MMGW to get rich, but I believe he did it because he is empathetic and caring and terrified. I know you disagree, but that is what I believe.

Originally posted by Nathan-D
To think that us humans could control nature, let alone the temperature of an entire planet is self-congratulatory back-slapping taken to unprecedented levels. The fact that so many people are so willing to believe these manufactured Chicken-Little doomsday-scenarios says a lot about the gullibility of the public in general. Have people forgotten Y2K? The government was telling us that planes might fall out of the sky, missiles would be inadvertently launched, and shelves in stores would be empty as computers simultaneously malfunctioned worldwide, causing untold economical devastation. What happened? Essentially nothing. Countries that spent nothing preparing for 2000 fared no worse than countries that splashed out billions. Certain people got very rich. And that's exactly where we find ourselves today. Bureaucrats are playing on people's fears and guilt of living in such a prosperous country and are offering them carbon credits to assuage their guilt so they can continue sinning by releasing the evil gas CO2 and banks are making big bucks from carbon trading. How many times will people fall for these end of the world apocalyptic fairytales until they learn it is only really about money and power? Y2K was purportedly backed by a scientific consensus. Look how that turned out. The fact that the OP has gotten so many stars is worrying, to say the least.

Watch the video and read my links and see if you still feel that way. The fact that Y2K was not the end of civilization has nothing to do with global warming whatsoever.

Those 'in the know' understand that tsunamis are the real near term threat.
Yes, the cosmos is on time.
Folks are beginning to understand how they were floked with the carbon tax credit scheme whereby industrial titans could 'buy' the tax credit to pollute while putting the smaller fry competition out of business though that is just the icing on the fake.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Global Warming isn't real, if it was, why is marketing it to our kids daily?

you know i at first thought Global Warming was real, but later on i went on a research to see what is truth and what is isn't.


I am surprised by people here giving the thread 13 stars and flags, yet all he said (I believe global warming is and you should to) well to tell you something thread OP everyone has a different subject matter opinion on this very issue of earth changes.

So to crush your little believes tell me this then.

If the Antarctic ice is melting or was melting why is it growing?
wattsupwiththat.com...

Results of ice-core drilling as well as sea ice monitoring show that there is no extensive melting of the ice in most of the Antarctic. Experts are, however, concerned about ice melting on the western coast of the continent. Read more: www.digitaljournal.com...

www.iceagenow.com...

As for the Melting Himalayan glaciers there has been zero scientific evidence to support the claims of global warming.

Global warming in my view is a political agenda as you can see with those weird TV ads of Global Warming and political leaders creating nonsense bills such as a environment tax, the carbon tax.

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The growing ice in Antarctica is temporary. The Arctic and Greenland are melting now. Cherry picking are we?

www.newscientist.com...

It amazes me how ppl can say its not man made warming when theres direct evidence saying otherwise.

climate.nasa.gov... this link shows the chart for carbon emissions for the last 400 0000 years.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Perhaps the claims from the AGW mob have something to do with the first graph in the following photo...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b415b99d5396.gif[/atsimg]

That first graph was the attempt by Michael Mann, and a few others which includes Jones, the same scientist who thought about suicide when he was caught red handed, to try to hide the Medieval Warm Period so the ignorant masses could believe their claims about AGW...

The second graph is what actually happened and what evidence from all over the globe shows that really happened...

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If I am correctly reading your graphs, the first shows worldwide temps and the second shows only temps in Europe. How is that hiding anything?

And yes he considered suicide because he was being accused of things that he and Mann were subsequently exonerated of completely.

reply to post by loner007


I'll assume you are unaware of NASA and it's objectives.
It you were aware, you would have learned that their data is purposely misleading.
A few links could clear things up a bit.
A link can unbrink a chain you know.

There is plenty of research here available on the topic.
There is no excuse for one to read both sides of the argument and come to the conclusion that global warming is man-made. Most ATS members are quite aware of this so I imagine you must be new here.....or paid to represent the concern of 'another'.

Your screen name makes sense as any 007 knows not to 'affiliate' with the subjects but rather to be as an 'objective' agent unto humanity. That was the idea anyhow, the 'bond' of itAll.

As for the rampant genocide taking place around the Earth, I understand the Crooks and Cowards are next inline.
May their spirits/souls dispand altogether as a static glimmer.....of the glOw that could have been. Such a waste.

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
I've posted a thread on the release of methane from permafrost melting at the time.

Breaking news forum even... 1 flag, zero replies.
That's what people think about the climate these days. They either don't care or don't know what to belief anymore and simply ignore the topic.

@ OP I don't think the methane release would cause our extinction within the next decade. You even forgot to mention the widely and abundant spread of massive methane deposits that gets released from the oceans if they get onle a single degree warmer.

Sea ice or Methane hydrates can be even more deadly. Fortunately methane isn't toxic.

I am not as worried about the underwater methane hydrates because they are so deep in the ocean where pressure is insanely high and temps are super cold. Most of the warming of the oceans so far has been in the upper oceans.

Methane might not be toxic, but it is a greenhouse gas on crack....20-70 times more potent than CO2.

Here is the reason that I think the methane locked in the permafrost is about to make us extinct:

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

So , care to explain the coldest winter we had? or the fact we snow saw in south america, middle east?

Are you going to claim that was caused by global warming to now?


Your still avoiding the issue of growing ice a reply i made a while ago.

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The "coldest winter" you are referring was regional. Globally it was the warmest winter on record.