Global Warming is not only NOT a hoax, but it is about 10,000 times worst than your worst nightmare.

reply to post by The_Liberator


I love how the OP's revolutionary ultra-doom scenario is just a personal re-hash of Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth Training Program. Really? The same people that were accused of scandal?

And now their revised arguent is, sure the sets were augmented, but only to produce a "best case" scenario? in fact its a lot worse than we have been telling you... this is just hilarious.

peace,
mbzastava

interesting..........

Originally posted by OnTheFelt
reply to post by network dude

 

My god man....check your ego at the door and watch the friggen presentation. If you still don't believe it then debunk the claims in the presentation..

If not, kindly STFU and leave your political innuendos at the door.

I will kindly speak my mind, but thanks for your nice suggestion. I don't need to watch it. The OP summarized it. He said we are all doomed and nothing can be done to reverse the process. So just what exactly do you suggest we do? What will convincing me that global warming isn't a political game using stupid people as the vehicle for propagating the myth? Will we all not be just as dead, drowning in 200 degree sea water? My ego is just the way I like it. I will wait a while and see what happens. And either I will die like everyone else, or I will die laughing at the idiots who dove in head first believing that 97% of climatologists believe this hype. I'd like to see a bit of proof for that number too. But I suppose the ones who don't believe are just misinformed.

My thinking that Al Gore is a tool has nothing to do with politics. It's just the part of my brain that uses logic. Sorry. I am sure he is a real nice guy. Have a real nice day and if you need to borrow a shovel to dig your shelter, just let me know. mine ins't being used right now.

Originally posted by PayMeh
I think the biggest problem with the whole "global warming" debate is that it was simply the wrong thing to call it. Whoever labeled it that should be shot. It's "global violent weather pattern changes." Every time we get a really good cold snap I get to hear about it. "Oh! It must be the global warming *snicker*." It's a culmination of everything. Most of which was inevitable and given the current state of things, I welcome it. I just hope those who have enough money to think they can escape the consequences get * just as hard as the common man.

Yep i agree, i have chosen Global Change as the new Global Warming.

So... What's causing the warming on the other plantets? There caps are melting too... And I'm sure there were more scientist who disagreed with the mass body of sheeple scientist, but those scientist die odd deaths. Ahh. But JFK died in his sleep.. And the government isn't trying to play head games or control the masses... Naaa. Not our uncle sam.


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I would just like to say that not only is man made global warning not true, it's also not not a hoax.

news.bbc.co.uk...:

'No Sun link' to climate change

It's the sun! But TPTB can't control the sun so they blame us for it to gain control. That is what HAARP is for,
to hurry it up.

By obsessevly does that mean that drawn conclusions before all information presented and only obsessevly research information that supports your ideological output or is there an obsessive that covers the objective side as well?

You did not, you just showed the claims from those who have been part of the scam.

Tell that to the people of Pakistan who died in the historic floods last summer. Or perhaps you can tell that to the people in Russia who experienced the worst heat wave in it's recorded history last summer along with fires the likes of which Russia has never seen.

Or tell it to Santa Claus who is about to lose his home in the North Pole because the Arctic is melting faster than anyone predicted.

OP

So you think that global warming will just continue and we'll all just watch the waters rise and get hotter and hotter?

Do YOU KNOW what happens at the tipping point of the warming period? Do you KNOW what follows a warming period? Man made warming or not, WHAT FOLLOWS this warming period.???? Have you done your research?

A cycle is a cycle................warm/cold warm/cold as it has been and will be forever.

Do you know what is breathing down your neck right now? Thats right............an ice age. An Ice Age is much worse than a global warming ever could be. Sit on that for a while.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by The_Liberator
I have noticed that many on this site claim global warming to be a “hoax”, and I realize that many of those people are quite literally inconvincible (try convincing a creationist that the earth is more than 6000 years old and you‘ll understand what I‘m saying). However, there is a large number of you who are simply uneducated on the topic, and you are the people that I am speaking to in this thread.

I can understand your frustrations, but I don't agree with your assessment. Before mankind can be 100% blamed for global warming, the geological and weather history of this planet must be explored. If you look at the data collected over the years, two significant weather periods occurred in recent history.

Little Ice Age
Between the 16th and 19th century, (1650 CE, 1770 CE, 1850 CE), mankind confronted a period called the 'Little Ice Age'.

Medieval Warming Period
Between the year 950 CE and 1250 CE, mankind confronted the Medieval Warming period.

What the data is telling me is that the Earth goes through 'drastic periods of cold and warm'. Regardless about how much mankind is involved, the Earth is going to automatically go through a massive geological and weather pattern change.

Now, if I am correct about the Earth getting ready for a BIG geological change (not caused by man), there should be some other evidence to support my theory. Well, there is...

Giant Crack in Africa Will Create a New Ocean

A 35-mile rift in the desert of Ethiopia will likely become a new ocean eventually, researchers now confirm. The crack, 20 feet wide in spots, opened in 2005 and some geologists believed then that it would spawn a new ocean. But that view was controversial, and the rift had not been well studied.

How can we put 100% of the blame for global warming on mankind's shoulders when Earth itself is still showing us it is still alive and well?

People keep forgetting that the Earth is a living thing in which goes through drastic cycles. Regardless about what we try to do in reaction to those changes, the Earth is going to do whatever it wants to do.

edit on 2-11-2010 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Whether or not the earth is changing on its own is irrelevant. It very well may be. But that has nothing to do with the fact that the CO2 we have been emitting is causing the earth to warm the likes of which have never been seen.

Interesting about the crack in Africa, btw!

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

All that you claimed AGAIN, is nothing more tha LIES....

The Earth HAS ALREADY enjoyed temperatures which were 2C and even more than it is now AND THERE WERE NO MASSIVE EXTINCTIONS...

This is what irks me about people like you...

You people make FALSE claims, and think you can get away with it...

Guess what? During the Medieval Warm Period temperatures were up to 2 degrees C degrees higher than during 1998 and 1999, and in case you didn't know 2010 hasn't been that extremely hotter than 1998, yet people like you want to claim that life as we know it will cease to exist with temperatures 2 degrees C higher than they are now when during the Medieval Warm period temperatures GLOBALLY were up to 2 degrees C and PEOPLE WERE THRIVING AS WELL AS ANIMALS?...

BTW, in case you didn't know the Roman Warm period was even WARMER than the Medieval Warm Period, and guess what?... That was during the Roman expansion, and people, as well as animals THRIVED... Yet you people want others to believe there will be massive deaths with temperatures 2 degree C higher than now?...

BTW, meanwhile Russia had higher than normal temps, in the Northwest of the U.S. and Canada we have been seen temperatures cooler than normal. We even had during the summer temperatures go down to 50 degrees at night, something which is very rare for these areas. Not to mention that we saw a longer winter than normal.

I have to wonder where all these claims that temperatures were globally higher when many areas have experienced temperatures cooler than normal...

Do these temperatures come from the same people who were caught as being part of the greatest scam of the 20th and 21st century?...

edit on 2-11-2010 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)

I defer to Maslo's response to you.

OP!

CO2 rise lags by at least 800 yrs! First temps rise then CO rises after. Trying to explain that our present demise is man made flies out the window.

CO2 Levels have been higher in the distant past than they are now. It was a natural cycle of earth splitting, spewing just as it is now

www.skepticalscience.com...

We are in an interglacial soon to be in a glacial period

We have been in a cooling trend for 12 yrs. This is climate change. Temps will be sporadic all over the world until the big chill comes.

www.c3headlines.com...

You can have a billion reasons to say we are headed toward the far end of global warming and it won't make the bit of difference for those of us who can see through the crap.

A lie is still a lie even though everyone believes it, the truth is always the truth even if no one believes it.

I will not be a sheeple.

Originally posted by The_Liberator
Whether or not the earth is changing on its own is irrelevant. It very well may be. But that has nothing to do with the fact that the CO2 we have been emitting is causing the earth to warm the likes of which have never been seen.

[bolding is my own]

On the contrary, it is of high relevance.

If the earth has its own swings in climate change, you will never stop it. Humans might have influenced the climate change to a degree that is truth. However, humans could never out do nature. What nature wants to do nature will do, humans will just have to deal with it.


Again, humans might have had some degree of influence in the climate change. It is impossible that we have had the degree of influence that some claim though. That is simply the huge ego of humans speaking when they think they have that degree of control on nature.

What is going to happen will, no amount of spewing regurgitated crap will change that. In a way, the OP is right there is no stopping what is coming; however, it is not the tragedy that is being relayed. Humans will be removed from the earth and it will go on as a different earth, a better earth.

Raist

Originally posted by The_Liberator


Oh, by the way, did I mention that NINETY SEVEN percent of climate scientists agree that global warming is real and caused by human emissions? You will notice as well that the 3% that don’t agree are also the least qualified:

Just to point something out, in 2007 99% of economists said there was no recession coming, and there was not a housing bubble. Point being, you can't just trust the opinions of so-called 'experts' when they have made careers stating a certain view point and looking exclusively for data to support their view point.

These same climate scientists said the past two hurricane season would be the worst in generations. These same climate scientists' models for temperature and storms have been off EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

What you have to realize, is that no matter what field an 'expert' is in, they conform their research and models to fit their opinions. It is the very very small minority that has independence of thought that end up being the most accurate, and also the most ridiculed. This is true in all fields.

The earth has warmed and cooled for millions of years. The earth has gone through natural catastrophic disasters throughout HUMAN history. Jungles turn into deserts; deserts turn in jungles. Land becomes sea-floor; sea-floor becomes habitable land. And what were humans at those times doing? Blaming themselves, sacrificing people and asking their God(s) for forgiveness. Not much has changed has it? We still don't understand how the Earth, or Sun, or Universe really work. But the human ego always thinks they do, and they are always proven wrong. As a general rule of thumb, no matter what area you are thinking about, find the expert consensus and go the other direction.

has anyone actually watched the video and then asked a simple question.

Who is this man giving the talk and what are his credentials and what could he gain from such a presentation?

Dan Miller is Managing Director of The Roda Group, a venture capital group focused on clean technology as well as information and communications services. Dan serves on the boards of several Roda Group companies including biofuel manufacturer Solazyme, and he was previously the president of Ask Jeeves, Inc., a former Roda Group affiliate company. Mr. Miller was Executive Vice President of TCSI Corporation, a company he co-founded with his Roda Group partner, Roger Strauch. TCSI (now owned by Rocket Software) is a leading provider of integrated software products and services for the global telecommunications industry. Prior to TCSI, Mr. Miller was a systems engineer at Hughes Aircraft's (now Boeing) Space and Communications Group where he was responsible for designing communications payloads for commercial communications satellites. Dan received his Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering, with distinction, from Cornell University and his Master of Science in Electrical Engineering from Stanford University. He holds three patents in the areas of compression technology and wireless communications systems.

Roda group
well it certainly looks like he is an acredited climatologist and he probably won't make any money out of scaring people.

[Arctic ice is at basically the same level today as it was in 1979.

The reason I replied so quickly to your post and dismissed everything you said, is summed up above.

That is patently false: nsidc.org...

When you make statements like that, I don't see much point in reading further.

Originally posted by mc_squared
reply to post by The_Liberator

 

Holy smokes! A global warming thread on the front page that's not about it being a hoax??

I had to rub my eyes.

Welcome to ATS The_Liberator

If you think global warming is scary - wait till you meet the tides and tides of weak minded automatons who'll tell you all about how much it's clearly just a natural cycle because teh scientists are all lying because it's all about teh grant moniez...

I'm guessing since this thread is 13 pages deep, that's already come up once or twice. Still 48+ flags = impressive for such an unpopular topic. It's funny though how these people will probably try to tear you down for your "alarmism", yet obviously sounding the alarm is the only thing that gets anybody's attention around here. God forbid facts and/or critical thinking ever would

Thanks for the support MC.

I already met them. I feel like I dived into a pool of piranha, lol.

Originally I wasn't going to respond to them (because....well they have nothing but lies, distortions and cherry picked facts to back them up), but I changed my mind. I'm just diving into each one and pointing out their falshoods best I can (sigh).

I realize I won't be change anyones mind, but what the heck, I'm bored and have nothing better to do at the moment, lol

Originally posted by mc_squared
Incidentally for the 48 or so people who possibly want to learn more (instead of just participate in the latest propaganda pissing contest) - here are some resources on how the IPCC has largely understated the problem:

Despite Climategate, IPCC Mostly Underestimates Climate Change

The IPCC messed up over 'Amazongate' – the threat to the Amazon is far worse

Sea levels rising faster than expected: scientists

Climate change: Drought may threaten much of globe within decades

New study puts the ‘hell’ in Hell and High Water

Climate change odds much worse than thought: New analysis shows warming could be double previous estimates

'Copenhagen Diagnosis' offers a grim update to the IPCC's climate science

Great post! Nice to know I'm not the only rational one here (actually there are a few others in this thread....but we are definitely in the minority! LOL)