An appeal from a cop...

reply to post by Walkswithfish


No, and I'm not running away from this forum; I started it, I'll stick with it. I just got frustrated with a so-called "peace officer" undermining everything I'm trying to accomplish. I expected and anticipated the other posts. I'll still be here to answer and respond. I am thrilled that people hold such strong opinions about this subject and they rightly should. I'm just tired of misplaced, blanket generalizations being made.

Plus, I'm tired of trying to keep up with a full html website on a Blackberry.

I'm not going anywhere. I'll talk to you all tomorrow.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by marsvolta

 

man, could you get more cliche than this? the only reason i found this site and signed up is because i want to find out why the heck what`s happening to me is happening at all. i dont do drugs. nor do i watch TV. you assume too much and convict in absentia and in advance. a typical cop i say.

Okay - lets assume that what you say is the truth. And hey, i admit, it happens. Police officers are subject to human stupidity as well as any other profession on this planet. I'm not saying that i'll take any cops back any time of any day.

All i am saying is that based on my experiences both on the force, off the force, and before i ever became an officer, tells me that those who complain about the law are doing so out of spite and resentment....and those two emotions come from having been found guilty of breaking the law (in some form or another, that oculd range from being arrested to a simple traffic ticket)


*IF* what you say is true and you have experienced multiple accounts of police brutality & improper search & seizure, then i do honestly apologize to you for making the assumption that you weren't being entirely forthcoming.

And all i can say is get a camera and go public.

It does wonders these days

with all the crap happening to me right now i find it hard to trust anyone. weird how your tone changed instantly since Intrepid U2U`d you. just saying.

reply to post by Snarf


No, I said nothing about me being pulled over. Please read, and learn "context". My comment was referring to your statement that you "dont care" . Anyone in any job ( I almost said profession) that publicly states that they dont care has no business drawing a paycheck. In any job. You showed all of your cards there chief. You stated that you dont care. You seem more mentally suited to some tedious menial job, not protecting others. That requires a level of maturity that is not evident here.

[edit on 3/4/10 by scooterstrats]

reply to post by mryanbrown

Can you grow up and accept that you are ignorant of your duties and committing fraud against the Citizen?

ahhh the classic "grow up" cop-out argument.

I'm not ignorant of my duties. If you break the law, you have to pay the consequences. Should i just let any hamjock with an attitude go because i might hurt his feelings?

Sorry, but i'm not willing to do that.

I feel as though I'm very fair in my approach and use of discretion.

Yes, if someone is getting me attitude, i treat them emotionless and without remorse.

The law is the law.

56 in a 55 is STILL speeding, though i've never issued a ticket like it before, and probably never would, i still can, because the law says that it's speeding.

I mean...honestly man, did you not take drivers ed? You want to come into an internet forum and start copy/pasting things from the DMV and constitution? You literally have no idea what your'e talking about.

Your argument seems to be centered on the notion that the constitution says police officers can't ticket drivers.

And i can't help but laugh uncontrollably at that.

reply to post by Chance321


I have a whole lot more freedom living made up stories where that came from pal.

My dad was driving a geo metro in the freeway once a tour bus was tailgating him (one thing about Mexico is Huge trucks and buses go a hell of a lot faster than the normal traffic lol) So what my dad did is slam on his brakes till he came to a complete stop. The bus almost killed him but it managed to stop. My dad started calling the bus driver every name in the book (he is a Bostonian from Southy BTW). eventual the cops came. My dad argued with the cops for a half hour over whose fault it was. They told him he was going to prison when he just repeated "I only have 5 bucks" eventually the cops saw that traffic was building up so they said.

FINE GRINGO!......give us the five bucks.

End of story.

I can totally understand why Americans might find my songs of freedom so fanciful. It must be like seeing sunshine after being trapped in a dark hole for your entire life LOL.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by mryanbrown

 

Can you grow up and accept that you are ignorant of your duties and committing fraud against the Citizen?

ahhh the classic "grow up" cop-out argument.

I'm not ignorant of my duties. If you break the law, you have to pay the consequences. Should i just let any hamjock with an attitude go because i might hurt his feelings?

Sorry, but i'm not willing to do that.

I feel as though I'm very fair in my approach and use of discretion.

Yes, if someone is getting me attitude, i treat them emotionless and without remorse.

The law is the law.

56 in a 55 is STILL speeding, though i've never issued a ticket like it before, and probably never would, i still can, because the law says that it's speeding.

I mean...honestly man, did you not take drivers ed? You want to come into an internet forum and start copy/pasting things from the DMV and constitution? You literally have no idea what your'e talking about.

Your argument seems to be centered on the notion that the constitution says police officers can't ticket drivers.

And i can't help but laugh uncontrollably at that.

Snarf, you started the "grow up" comment. Mine was spoofing yours.
Secondly you completedly ignored the fact that you don't need a license to operate an automobile. Only if you are doing so for commercial purposes.

So since you don't know the definitions legally, and the context. Yes you are ignorant. You more than likely aren't even an LEO. Just a troller starting cop vs citizen hate replies.

reply to post by JWH44


Why is it JWH44, that when I don't use my blinker I get pulled over, but when a Police Officer doesn't use his blinker I get to watch him wondering how hypocritical he is.

Why is it JWH44 that when a cop makes a wide turn and almost hits someone in the THIRD lane over that he drives off as if nothing has happened, but if I make a wide turn I get pulled over.

Why is it JWH44 that your supervised Police Officers are so contradicting and above the law?

This is where such mentallity occurs.

Entities who control or oppress other entities against their Free Will are not morally correct in any way, however it seems what is morally correct these days, from the executive branches view, is purely objective.

Paying taxes to get harrassed is illogical.

Namastè. Love and Light to you and all of the officers out there.

Oh and to clarify for Snarf. I agree a driver is bound to the statutes. That is commercial regulation.

Your ignorance is assuming that anyone operating an automobile is required to have a license identifying them as a driver of a COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.

US Supreme Court says you are wrong. Continued ignorance prevails however.

reply to post by mryanbrown


If you legitimately believe that you don't need a drivers license to operate a vehicle (commercial or otherwise) then please, go drive around your city until you find a patrol unit.

Pull up next to that unit, tell him to roll down his window. Inform that officer that you do not have a valid drivers license, and drive off.

Let me know how that works out for you.


disclaimer

you may want to read this first

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Snarf]

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by mryanbrown

 

If you legitimately believe that you don't need a license to operate a vehicle (commercial or otherwise) then please, go drive around your city until you find a patrol unit.

Pull up next to that unit, tell him to roll down his window. Inform that officer that you do not have a valid drivers license, and drive off.

Let me know how that works out for you.

That's exactly my point, ignorant officers like you will arrest a Citizen for not having a license. Because you *THINK* (THINK BEING THE OPERATIVE WORD) you know the law. Ignorant in your duties. Fraudulent.

The OP is right that all professions have bad apples and you can't judge the whole barrel that way. I do somewhat respect law enforcement overall. They do the stuff I don't want to. But, my beef is that respect is a one way street with the cops I have encountered.

My only interaction with cops is when I don't come to a complete stop at a stop sign. This is about the only law that I have broken in the last 20 years. It is actually just a civil infraction. Yet, these guys without exception have the worst attitude. Very rude, very young, and just plain over-aggressive. I am the low hanging fruit, you know. The easy ticket. I pose no threat to anyone. Last time I got pulled over the dude wanted me to consent to a vehicle search. Uhhh, no. At least be just a tiny bit polite about it. I always have my belt on and am plenty insured. No guns in the car, no concealed carry permit. It's just me in a car. Yet, these guys all have big chips on their shoulder. I am not the bad guy, okay? I am just a lowly otherwise law abiding tax payer who helps pay their salary. My encounters are basically the same that my friends and family have too.

I know that my minor encounters do not have much bearing with what thousands of law enforcement officers in the rest of the Country do. But these guys that I encounter are the face of the badge. They are their own worst PR problem. A little more respect for the citizens would go a long way. Respect is a two way street. It is hard for me to respect those who show no respect to me.

reply to post by mryanbrown


I see. So the law says i cannot arrest them for driving without a drivers license. Funny, you ignore the link i posted, and all forms of common sense associated with known penalties for driving on a suspended or revoked (or having never gotten one in the first place)

I guess the "up to 1 year in prison" is just government code speak for "you're going to disney land!"

reply to post by Snarf

I'm not ignorant of my duties. If you break the law, you have to pay the consequences. Should i just let any hamjock with an attitude go because i might hurt his feelings?

Sorry, but i'm not willing to do that.

I feel as though I'm very fair in my approach and use of discretion.

Yes, if someone is getting me attitude, i treat them emotionless and without remorse.

The law is the law.

Wow you remind me of Judge Dread "I AM THE LAW!!!!!"

The thing is you don't have to treat a 90 year old granny the same way you treat a member of MK-12 or what ever their gang name is. Yet you guys jump out of your Cop cars shine your Big bright blinding light in the face of a woman who was a victim of the holocaust all the same.

And like you have just said if said old 90 year old holocaust victim gives you an attitude you treat he with out emotion or respect for who she is and what she has been through. Again as you have said yourself IT IS THE LAW!

I'm starting to think your a troll intentionally posing as a cop in order to make cops look bad.....

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow
Law enforcement is the most visible apparatus that inhibits change. I CANNOT go to a federal building with a group of people and drag out the politicians who are wrecking this country for fear of a violent confrontation with law enforcement. Every person who wants real change knows this but doesn't speak above their breath about it.

A person is not truly free in this world and law enforcement IS the physical arm of tyrants and oppressors that are placed over us.

Well Said

reply to post by Izarith

I'm starting to think your a troll intentionally posing as a cop in order to make cops look bad.....

Sigh

you guys aren't interested in having a conversation or a debate. you're just here to hate on law enforcement.

Have fun with that.

Im done talking to you.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by mryanbrown

 

I see. So the law says i cannot arrest them for driving without a drivers license. Funny, you ignore the link i posted, and all forms of common sense associated with known penalties for driving on a suspended or revoked (or having never gotten one in the first place)

I guess the "up to 1 year in prison" is just government code speak for "you're going to disney land!"

Again furthering my point. Driving, in legal definition and context is commercial.

If you arrest someone for driving without a license, you are ignorantly alleging they are driving. That is to say operating the vehicle commercially.

Do you think visitting your family is a commercial venture friend?

Here where I live two law enforcement officers lost their lives when a man shot them before taking his own life. One of the funerals was held yesterday. Cops from all over the state and even other states attended the funeral, and the news was all over the story. People lined the streets from the church to the graveyard. Cops aren't always fair, but I appreciate their service. Most of the time they are good. They keep us safe. They put their lives on the line so we don't have to. So we might get an undeserved ticket. Oh well. Life isn't always going to be fair. Cops make mistakes too. But for the most part, they're good people keeping us safe. If you're an officer, thank you for your service. Don't ever doubt that you're appreciated by the majority of us.

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by mryanbrown

 

If you legitimately believe that you don't need a drivers license to operate a vehicle (commercial or otherwise) then please, go drive around your city until you find a patrol unit.

Pull up next to that unit, tell him to roll down his window. Inform that officer that you do not have a valid drivers license, and drive off.

Let me know how that works out for you.


disclaimer

you may want to read this first

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Snarf]

That's just so mean Snarf and you know it!

What are trying to do get this guy killed, tased, beaten till he face split, then get his arms broken and tased again?

Well hopefully is he is silly enough to do as you suggest all i have said above happens in that exact order, for his sake.

reply to post by Snarf

Your words "those who complain about the law are doing so out of spite and resentment....and those two emotions come from having been found guilty of breaking the law (in some form or another, that oculd range from being arrested to a simple traffic ticket)

As I said (again, please read) these circumstances dont apply to me. An educated and objective observer only. You dont understand that non criminals are sick of the attitude of the public servants who feel that they must act like dicks to the people who pay their salary and have done nothing illegal. My God, this is not a hard concept to grasp. or i guess it is ...for some.

Fair enough JW you're talking a pretty good story and maybe you are the exception to the rule. And you are right friend Snarf is killing you here.

I don't hate you. I don't even know you. I have very serious concerns for those you answer to however and question why you don't

How do you explain the Pittsburgh G20? How are we supposed to react to that? Do you feel we are just overreacting to this "isolated" incident?

I'd really like to know.

[edit on 4-3-2010 by WWJFKD]