An appeal from a cop...

The bottom line is, if you break the law, you run the risk of having to deal with a cop.

It's not that hard to figure out. If you are doing something illegal, you can get busted for it.

Simple solution, stop breaking the law!

Join Oathkeepers and declare your non negotiable stance on protecting the constitution. Be the good guy whenever a media opportunity knocks. It's that simple.

The mainstream media, I know, are only out looking for negative leads but if every officer out there slips in they are serving and protecting the constitution with every media contact you guys get to become the heroes again in the eye of every weary zombie.

I know what you are going through, absolutely. I used to work in a somewhat similar field where my type were and still are painted unfairly.

Just assert your constitutional drive and your positive image when the opportunity knocks. Differentiate and distance yourself from the obvious plethora of bad eggs. Soon the bad eggs will realize they are a small group and try to avoid negative attention. And suddenly the media runs out of negative feed on law enforcement.

I definitely empathize with you and believe you.

Originally posted by Snarf
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I'm sorry if my attempt of speaking truthfully to you was unnoticed.

I'm not one to speak in terms of fluffy B.S. I'm not an appeaser.

I agree with the sentiments of the OP, and i agree that there are cops out there who abuse their power by hurting innocent people.

But i will disagree until the day that I die that all cops are inherently bad, or that all cops exist to screw with regular people.

The rules are quite simple:

If you're an ass, im not going to work with you and be understanding.

If you're polite, calm, and mature, then we can work things out in a likewise manner.

If that makes me corrupt, well so be it.

There is speaking truthfully, and then there is speaking with venom. One of the very first weapons that a police officer is equipped with is tact. Without it, a very minor situation can turn very violent, even lethal.

I own a business, I have employees, and I make a reasonable amount of cash. I could go through my life, lording over those employees and boasting about the cash, but I do not. In return my employees treat me with respect, work hard and we accomplish a lot that in turn helps other businesses both for profit and not for profit, in our community.

One of the reasons my business exists is because of tact. My clients are achievers in their own fields, but not so much in mine. I could treat them poorly because I am smarter than them in my field than they are. I do not.

The parallel is that I too do not speak in "fluffy b.s." either. But I do speak in a way that doesn't immediately put my staff on the defensive. I don't order them around, but ask what they would like to accomplish.

I do not know if you are corrupt or not. I can't say if you would take a bribe or if you would cover for a brother in blue. All I know of you can be found in this thread. And for me, you have shown yourself to be a person I would rather not know. You seem to not care about those you serve, but feel you are called to a higher authority. In a psych profile these are the red flags that so many in this thread are talking about.

You do realize that when only one of you know the "rules" it isn't a fair game.

..Ex

Originally posted by whatukno
The bottom line is, if you break the law, you run the risk of having to deal with a cop.

It's not that hard to figure out. If you are doing something illegal, you can get busted for it.

Simple solution, stop breaking the law!

Actually, you can be arrested for not breaking the law, but only being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You can be arrested because you match a description, or because you were the person who called for help. You can be arrested for handing the police the correct change or for asking "why" when ordered to move. You can be arrested or beaten for taking the wrong way home from work, or for standing in a stairwell.

All of the above examples have been posted on this site. So please, tell me how to avoid being arrested.

..Ex

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Hello JWH44,

First, thank you for this post. I think it takes some courage to step up and call out a problem that you really have no control over, other then to be a lone voice in the midst of a sea of voices all wanting to wash ashore. For that your heart speaks volumes about your character. It makes me feel good to see people like you step up and remind everyone you guys are not above the people you try to help, because it's only your kind that are actually doing that.

When I was growing up, it seems to me that people were a lot less afraid of Law Enforcement. I remember when I was around 5 or so, an officer came to a call at a house by ours. I, like most children, loved cop cars with there sirens and lights, with the cool glass separator in the car. I remember always thinking how cool the polices hand cuff holster was for some reason. Anyway, I remember the officer was coming out of the house and saw me looking at his car from our yard next door. My mom was outside watching me and the officer said hello to her. He could see my eyes were peeled and asked my mom if he could show me the car, which obviously he didn't have to do. He let me look inside and was telling me what his radio was for and stuff like that, he even turned on the lights for me for a second. Needless to say, my poor mother heard me talking about my experience for a good month.

Now, of course I was a kid, so it was much easier to amaze me, but to this day, I still think what that gentleman did, he didn't have to do, and for all I know could of got in trouble, but he saw the amazement in my little face and extended himself. That incident alone made me never want to disappoint an officer, not out of fear, but rather grounding my respect to this day because of what one man did. Know, it makes a world of difference especially to the kids, so don't get down, because even if you change only one outlook, you've changed someones entire world.

I've never been in trouble with the law other then traffic violations, but I would be a liar if I didn't say, they do seam a little scarier now a days, but then perhaps times are scarier and that is the caution they must take.

I think what really volatilized the outlook upon law enforcement, was not one event, but a string of events. Rodney King, obviously was the catalyst to the national view of Police Dept. abuse, and unfortunately people never saw the full video, not that their force wasn't excessive, but people didn't see how Mr. King was acting before the beating either, again not that the force wasn't way excessive, but those cops didn't get a fair viewing of the events from the public either. Regardless, that is done and forever impressed into the consciousness of the American and indeed world view. After the riots things were different. Though treatment like this is something many minorities were used too, not that it makes it right, but it just wasn't seen in blue collar communities for the most part and once something is on t.v. people think they will be next be it "Idol" or "The Real World", etc.

Then "Cops" comes along. "Bad boys bad boys whatcha gunna do" which did not help you guys, because even though it was "Joe Bob" that was being arrested, Joe bob is someones uncle. "Cops" made it seam as though someone could come busting down your door with camera's behind them and I believe that subconsciously made people fear for their privacy inwardly.
From there school shootings, Waco, Oklahoma and of course 9-11. All of these events causing tighter security, while at the same time, rumors of 9-11 being used as a false flag and that is what sealed it.

Anyway man, just some thoughts. Again thanks for stepping up and I do hope you see an improvement in the attitude of society. It takes people like you stepping up to make that happen though in these times, so keep your head up and keep being a light.

Peace

OMG! I hadn't realized we were in the presence of a movie star. I'm sorry Snarf for being so rude before - here are some of your highlights - next time don't be so shy. Geeez

www.youtube.com...

Ok so I am a little late on getting on this topic... But the way I see it the FEDS need to WAKE UP! OBEY YOUR Oath! Cause we the people are coming and you are out numbered. We all have families and we know you do to.... Wake Up, because the place where this country is heading is not the place where any of us want to go. On March 31, 2010 the Federal Government will be reminded who their bosses are. We The People! www.gotfr.org...

Look dude you can play that stereotype card here to purge sympathy from other ATS users all you want if it makes you feel better, you will not receive any from this one!!!

Lets ponder some stereotypes for awhile shall we?

Stereotypically men are stronger than women!

Stereotypically Americans are more wealthy than Mexicans!

Stereotypically Japanese people are shorter than Germans!

Stereotypically smokers die at a younger age than non-smokers!

STEREOTYPICALLY POLICEMEN ARE SADISTIC!
The very nature of the job attracts the most sadistic members of our society to put it simply!

The use of the word does not imply absence of truth!

My best friend wanted to be a police office his whole life. He did all the right things to ensure his dream would become reality! When all our friends started to rebel and smoke pot (sadly myself include) he drifted away...Years went by and we were reunited at a restaurant where we both worked. To my surprise there he was! I approached him and asked why he was not a cop? He responded with following. "Well I am, err I was..."
He told me that he became a police officer for the sole purpose of helping people, and as it turns out thats not at all what he was doing during his time spent as a Springfield City Policeman. He told me all he did was ride around for the first 6 months "busting" people for the same stuff all the other cops bragged about doing on their days off and never not once helped anyone! What broke him was hauling into jail a suspected drunk driver that clearly did not seem intoxicated to him in the least (dude blew a point .09) and listen to him cry his eyes out about how he was going to lose everything, begging for them to let him go while the other cops laughed in his face...

Thats was his LAST DAY AS A POLICEMAN.
Thats how normal people behave! Like I have always said since "It takes a special kind of person to want to have this as their occupation, especially considering the pay wage!

My friend worked as a waiter and put himself through nursing school and is now an RN! Someone who helps People at last!

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[edit on 4-3-2010 by Niccawhois]

wow. well written. i have nothing against cops in general but those who do should give this a read. definitely not written like the typical cop. can tell that you got something going on inside your head. good to know people like you exist haha. don't see very many of them anymore.

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You know what else I just thought of.

Prisons, that is half of the problem right there.

How many offenders would you say are ex-cons? I mean obviously most in prison are not their because of a first offense. I don't know what the percentage is, but it has to be over 50% repeat business, would that be fair to say?

Why are prisons privately owned, when the people charged, tried and convicted are being sentenced in state or federal courts to imprisonment at a private facility? This seams highly irresponsible to me, because any private company is their to make money, not care for sick people which is what these people are.

It seams as though instead of trying to help rehabilitate those incarcerated, it only turns them into really sick individuals who are even more dangerous to themselves and others the moment they hit the streets. Now I know this isn't the case for all ex-cons, but prisons, again being private institutions who are their to make a profit count on return business. Anytime someone becomes a value instead of a human being, trouble is at the door.

What would you say about the prison system in America. Would you say they are part of the problem?

Peace

[edit on 4-3-2010 by letthereaderunderstand]

Originally posted by colt122
If you really cared you would be changing the way things are done from the inside(the police force) not on a conspiracy website, its not a conspiracy that people hate police its a fact

I hate to tell you this, but so are most conspiracy theories. It's just most people aren't smart enough to see it.The ironic part of it is that it's as obvious as the nose on a person's face.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks

Originally posted by MBF
It is my understanding that this person ran over the policeman and dragged him under the van for 30-40ft.

It was just on the news, they had stopped her for a traffic violation. Was the ticket money worth putting all those peoples lives in danger?

...its not about the tickets... its attempted murder of a leo - and - she injured other people, damaged their property, endangered everyone on the highway - and - she was headed for a school zone...

But why did she feel that she need to run over him? Was he being overbearing? Was he trying to do something that he shouldn't have? I don't know. She could have been a bad person that was looking at a long prison sentence if she was caught...I don't know. She did damage property, and mine was part of it. She did injure people and I could have been killed. She was NOT headed for a school zone, she had just gone through it. The school zone sign was about 100ft from where she hit me. They knew who she was, they could have just caught her another way rather than putting peoples lives in danger by trying to run her down. They have her tag number, unless the car is stolen, it is easy for them to look her up.

A few Facts about Law Enforcement. They Enforce Laws whether the law is a good one or not!

It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247

See here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

To Protect and Serve ( the Corprate slave masters )

[edit on 5-3-2010 by SWCCFAN]

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I recently posted on another forum here that my dad was an officer when I was growing up. He did turn in another officer for abuse. He did the right thing even though it was unpopular.

I was a psychiatric technician in a state hospital for 11 years in another lifetime. If you're not working in a given environment, you can't really judge it from the outside. These types of jobs carry their own special baggage. One day I called in sick, and I never went back. And I've never regretted that decision, ever. I worked a max security unit.

That being said, corrupt cops should get more than a slap on the wrist. Crooked attorneys and judges? They should be hammered the worst. Their misconduct can affect many people. Just like politicians.

There are good ones / bad ones in all walks of life. I've met scumbags in expensive clothes and cars, and I've met perfectly wonderful people who were houseless.
You have to have thick skin, and take a quiet pride in knowing that you're doing the right thing. That is its own intrinsic reward.

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We will allways need cops, and an army.

But 1. The systemic problem of criminality : we should take care of the root of "evil", instead of trying to play the good (the cops), the bad , and the ugly.

2. The systemic problem of the "bad cops" : that is right : I understand your job : this should be very difficult : rude.

I read they analyse the brain of a policeman who seen a lot of violence : and his brain was no more a normal human brain.

I mean yes : the extrem violence policemen have to deal with : change their way of thinking : or their relationnship with the common human being ( or peacefull civilian )

THAT is why we should take care of the root of evil : no more "poverty" (not necessaraly jobs because there are not a lot of real jobs today, but food and homes), no more criminality.

WOW GREAT JOBS GUYS FOR NOT KISSING THIS GUY AND SNARFS BADGE!
keep it up and let the truth shine bright





[edit on 5-3-2010 by Niccawhois]

Anyone who wants or feels they need to be in a position that has as much power as a police officer is mentally unstable. Same goes for presidential candidates and all federal and law enforcement officials.
I thought about it for a minute and I guess there are a few good enforcement officials. Somebody has to get those murderers and sex offenders, at least the guilty ones.

[edit on 5-3-2010 by coldfiremx]

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Well humans, for 90% of their history -- the Bushmen culture -- did not have cops. Check out the book "The Harmless People" by Elizabeth Marshall Thomas:

www.newscientist.com...

www.salon.com...

What do you make of the accusations by some academics that your writing is too sentimental? My mother Lorna also wrote about the Bushman culture and we were both accused of over-emphasising the lack of violence in Bushman culture, but we were only reporting what we had seen. In the Bushmen groups we visited, we observed that there was much emphasis on cooperation and on avoiding jealousy. The reason was that life was pretty marginal and one way to get through was to have others who help you in your hour of need. Everything in their culture was oriented to this. So it isn't that they have a natural "niceness" - I never said that they did. They're just like everybody else. What they have done is recognise the damage one person can do to another and try to put a limit on it.

" Some of these researchers argued that the Marshall expeditions took an ideological, falsely idyllic view of violence or the lack thereof among the Bushmen, and falsely presented the Kalahari as an arid Shangri-La. This argument was taken up by E.O. Wilson in his 1978 book "On Human Nature." Thomas says they "went to another group of Bushmen in Botswana, quite a distance from the people we had been visiting, different people altogether, in different circumstances altogether, in a different country, and about 20 years later. They found different things, not surprisingly." She defended her and her mother's observations in the epilogue to the 1989 edition of "The Harmless People," but she doesn't seem interested when I ask her about it, and says she doesn't bother about it.

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Originally posted by coldfiremx
Anyone who wants or feels they need to be in a position that has as much power as a police officer is mentally unstable. Same goes for presidential candidates and all federal and law enforcement officials.

Perfect someone else on here said "The first one's in line to sign up to be a cop should be the first ones disqualified."

Amen brothers!

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When I was a kid you could talk to a cop, cops helped people, they were friendly and available ...I would now walk extra blocks to avoid a cop.
A few really bad apples have spoiled the barrel.

I now live outside the US, guess what - there are 'beat cops' here, and I smile at them and say good morning ... and they return.

US law enforcement has for the most part earned the bad rep. I don't say they are all bad, but they are all scary. It only takes one bad cop for a person to wind up beaten or in jail for no reason. Thats scary.