An appeal from a cop...

These whiny cop threads make me laugh.

Especially when its a whiny cop whining how they arent all alike, even though thats the way they treat most supposed criminals.

Cops are all about generalizing. They just call it profiling and pretend it's something different.

How many times have we heard an officer comment on someones "rap sheet" and basically just say they deserve what theyre getting?

How many times have we heard an officer generalize about a people, neighborhood, certain type of criminal offense?

Well now officers were looking at your rap sheet and generalizing. Now were profiling you. But before you get to whining some more about how you arent all alike realize that the general population outnumbers you greatly. This isnt the opinion of a few people being spread widely. These are the opinions of a great many people all over now. You guys arent critically looking in the mirror at our complaints. You just assume that we are wrong, as you usually do. The argument that all of you arent alike might have stood more easily when it was a small percent of you. Now its a large percent of you. You are now all alike. Youve been profiled.

I am tired of the argument that you are just doing your job. A cattle rustler rounding up cattle with his cattle prod is just doing his job. A cop carrying a gun shaped cattle prod isnt just doing his job. A cop using the cattle prod on someone clearly saying repeatedly "dont tase me bro" and offering no real physical resistance who just wants his opinion heard at a talk isnt just doing his job,

Cops who just do their jobs are only in it for the money and the sadomasochism. Burger flippers generally just do their job. Cashiers usually just do their jobs. People in menial occupations are the type who just do their jobs. Police officers should be doing more than just their jobs. This isnt a burger. It's society.

What is wrong with people who think it should be their job to police other people anyway? I am inclined to believe that people who want to be police officers should be the first disqualified. There is something inherently wrong with these people.

I am willing to bet the administrators of this board usually discount people who volunteer to be moderators. Why is it that boards the internet over have this policy for its police officers and society in general doesnt?

You know it may not be all of you. But as of late it is the majority of you. And just like the innocent guy who happens to be standing next to a group of Crips or Bloods when the gang task force does a sweep, you just got netted, and no, we dont believe you when you say youre not in the gang. You wear the same colors, carry the same weapons, drive the same cars, hang out in the same places and you even defend each other when one of you is in the wrong.

Dont like it?

Quit.





[edit on 4-3-2010 by watcher73]

reply to post by WWJFKD


If you want to piss off cops just bring up Mumia Abu Jamal -- Pittsburgh -- Philly --

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reply to post by JWH44

The following example is an incident that I wiitnessed and it summed up all that is wrong with policing.

- I was in Istambul on holiday, taking some photos. Nearby was a Police Officer. Suddenly a man rushed up to him. I asked a friend nearby and he explained what was happening.

The man told the Police Officer that he had just been held up at gunpoint and that someone had taken hios wallet and was running away down the street, struggling through the corwd. He asked the cop to run after him and the Police Officer looked ashen faced at the prospect. After a moment of thought, the Polcie Officer turned to the man and asked where was his ID Card. The man replied that his ID Card was in the wallet that had been stolen, so the Police Officer, with a relieved look on his face, told the man, you're under arrest for not having your ID Card. The man was shocked and said, but aren't you going to run after the armed robber. The Policeman laughed in his face. Of course not he said, I'm already in the process of making an arrest,namely you, so I can't. He then called for back up and the man was taken away in a Police van.

- Controlling those that you can instead of those that you should is the herald of an empire about to collapse.
- Making ever more things illegal has had the effect of allowing the Police to enforce trivia instead of the important crimes of rape, murder, theft and burgulary and extrending criminality to some forms of late taxes has turned them more into a tax collector at times.
- The extra bulletproofing armour and the Police cars divide the Police from the people that they are supposed to be Policing. It creates the "taking of sides" and alienates both. Police pounding the beat massively improves the situation.
- Psychologists have noted that there are four mental states that come with excessive powers and alienation which were clearly demonstrated in the case of the Enron board for instance. These were prevalent amongst the guards of the SS. Changes in the world and in laws are driving these mental states, these four fallacies into the minds of law enforcement officers. It takes a powerfand focused mind to resist a drift into these four fallacies:-
a. Entitlement - An excellent example is Tiger Woods who admits that he felt entitled to cheat on his wife. I have come across cops who expect one to be grovelling to them which I am not. They will often feel that they are somehow "better" than me.
b. Loss of empathy - Regarding that those who they police are worthless and expendible. SS guards would happily joke about their wives and families as they gassed Jews a few feet away.
c. Omnipotence - They believe that they can sort out any ill like some sort of superman and will involve themselves in civil matters.
d. Invulnerability - They believe that thye cannot be touched and feel no longer bound by social norms nor by the laws that they enforce.

reply to post by Snarf


Snarf,

Listen to what YOU are saying to for a change, because I am.

You just said that if a person gives you an attitude you are to treat them with out emotion and that it's THE LAW.

Am I missing something here?

I'm just putting what you yourself are saying to contexts of why there are so many YouTube videos of elderly ladies getting tased until they urinate on themselves.

Is what I'm saying not in perfect agreement with what you are saying? If so tell me where and why.

That's what a discussion is all about.

But you can hide from me as if I was an L.A. riot if you so choose to, That's up to you Officer.

I haven't read this entire thread, but I do intend to. There are bad apples on every tree, not just the law enforcement tree. The biggest problem is that the bad ones are the ones that stand out. If JWH44 is just half the man he claims to be, that is great, this is the kind of people we need in this type of job, but we know they are not all like that.

Today I was involved in an accident where a person was killed. My understanding was that the lady had an altercation with a cop in another county. It is my understanding that this person ran over the policeman and dragged him under the van for 30-40ft. I hear that he will be ok, but I know that he had to have some severe injuries because the van was not very high off the ground. When I was hit, I was told she was going between 100 and 120mph. I am lucky to be alive. The impact was more or less a glancing blow. Another car was hit also and the driver had injuries, but I think that person will be ok. As for me, I'm just sore. This happened as they were coming out of a school zone, fortunately, about 30 minutes before school let out for the day.

What would set a person off and make them so mad that they feel they have to run over a cop? I understand that the cops were upset with her because she purposely ran over one of their coworkers. Less than 30 seconds, there were about 20 cop cars there and before the car stopped rocking from the impact, there were about four cops with their guns pointed at the driver point blank. Within 2 minutes, another ten cars showed up. There were about a total of 30 cop cars there. I don't know the entire situation, but should they have had a high speed chase through multiple towns and through school zones? If they had the womans tag number, they could have backed off and waited until she got home and picked her up there, but instead,one person is dead, one is in the hospital. I am extremely fortunate to be alive.

It was just on the news, they had stopped her for a traffic violation. Was the ticket money worth putting all those peoples lives in danger?

reply to post by ripcontrol


I noticed that I got no response from my post....

Oh well...

I do have a question for the Federal Agent OP...

Are there any actual laws against using psychic warfare that I am unaware of?

Well I read another skeptic so Ive decided to try something.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by richierich


"every dept. has at least one...a guy that uses maximum force at all times and gets off on seeing people in pain.
They too will trip up and get caught someday...or face worse if they go far too far...but that is a rarity."

Am I the only one that sees the problem here? Every department has one? Ergo, the cop is a known problem by other cops, yet he is there still. Maybe because his cops buds are still covering for him until he really "get[s] caught."

Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by marsvolta

 

yeah i was roughed up before by a cop for no reason, but it has nothing to do with what`s going on right now. you dont start hating cops for petty sh*t like that all of a sudden. you start hating them when they unlawfully enter your house when you are absent and do whatever they want. and other such crap.

Well my, my. You seem to be quite the victim when it comes to cops.

Its funny though, really, you give more first-hand accounts of police brutality than i've ever heard from anyone that i know.

So a natural, and logical conclusion is that you are either making them up, or you antagonized the use of force, and are not mature enough to handle the consequences.

Police officers, for the most part, have more important things to do than rile around with some idiot stoners some where and "violate their rights" by taking their paraphernalia.

The ones that do, i do not condone. But it happens few and far between, regardless of what your favorite TV shows might tell you.

Well I just read 16 Pages of cop bashing and badge kissing and for the most part I can understand the sentiments on both sides. This post, however deserves a response.

The attitude and contempt that you show within your post is exactly the thinly veiled attitude that all of these posters are complaining about.
"Police officers, for the most part, have more important things to do" is about the dumbest statement I have heard in a long long time. The problem is that you probably have no idea why I say that.

Lets put this into perspective. Cops, have earned the perception that the public has of them. It isn't one cops actions that turn an entire society, it is the consistent actions of the average being that does it.

There was a time, long ago, when a police officer was a respected profession. When one could turn to the police officer for directions, (not his job) advice (not his job) and for even a good natured banter (also not his job). At some point, the idea that the police were above the very law, the very public they swore to serve came into being.

Today, every cop who covers for another cops crimes is as low and dirty as the one he is covering for. It doesn't matter if he plants the drugs, or if he just turns a blind eye, it is the same. The police "service" will not ever have the same level of respect within the public it once had until true accountability and personal honor is restored.

Given what you wrote, this is a very very long way off.

..Ex

reply to post by v3_exceed


I'm sorry if my attempt of speaking truthfully to you was unnoticed.

I'm not one to speak in terms of fluffy B.S. I'm not an appeaser.

I agree with the sentiments of the OP, and i agree that there are cops out there who abuse their power by hurting innocent people.

But i will disagree until the day that I die that all cops are inherently bad, or that all cops exist to screw with regular people.

The rules are quite simple:

If you're an ass, im not going to work with you and be understanding.

If you're polite, calm, and mature, then we can work things out in a likewise manner.

If that makes me corrupt, well so be it.

reply to post by JWH44


Dear JWH44

Very nicely written by the way.

The only thing I know of law enforcement officers in the USA is from the movies. So very little.

However I did grow up somewhere. I have never been convicted of anything but a minor driving offence, 3 points on the license and a small fine.

To me a police officer is a necessary evil yes evil, all that I have come across in my life are arrogant bullying morons, at best. However somebody has to do the job.

Perhaps that is the best that can be found to do this admittedly awful job.

This for sure I will concede.

Any job that comes with a degree of power will corrupt so indeed why would we expect a policeman to be above that corruption?? They pick on the young because they are an easy target it keeps the figures up. When they inadvertently stop an adult who has answers for them they very quickly back down and truly show there ignorance of the law.

Snarf, you have yet to admit you are ignorant as to what a driver and motor vehicle are. Just thought I would point out again that's why people don't like LEOs.

For every good cop out there, there is a dept full of these:

www.youtube.com...

The "peace Officer' is being forced out & is being replaced with Law Enforcement Officers.



[edit on 4-3-2010 by mal1970]

I seriously doubt that some of the people in this thread claiming to be police officers are actually police officers. You may have aspirations, you may even be one in Second Life or some wacky role playing game, but you aren't police officers. If you are, you're a disgrace to not only your department, but to all those who've ever worn a badge and died in the line of duty.

reply to post by EMPIRE


Yeah I guess there's a few bad apples out there:

sentencing.typepad.com...

October 2, 2009 US remains a world leader in incarceration rate Thanks to this post at Grits for Breakfast, I see that Kings College in London now has available here its latest, greatest "World Prison Population List." As the list details, the United States, which President Lincoln called a nation "conceived in liberty," remains a world leader in incarceration rate (and by quite a large margin): The United States has the highest prison population rate in the world, 756 per 100,000 of the national population, followed by Russia (629), Rwanda (604), St Kitts & Nevis (588), Cuba (c.531), U.S. Virgin Is. (512), British Virgin Is. (488), Palau (478), Belarus (468), Belize (455), Bahamas (422), Georgia (415), American Samoa (410), Grenada (408) and Anguilla (401).

Originally posted by MBF
It is my understanding that this person ran over the policeman and dragged him under the van for 30-40ft.

It was just on the news, they had stopped her for a traffic violation. Was the ticket money worth putting all those peoples lives in danger?

...its not about the tickets... its attempted murder of a leo - and - she injured other people, damaged their property, endangered everyone on the highway - and - she was headed for a school zone...

reply to post by JWH44


Glad you posted and your being honest.

A big part of the problem is that those in the Law Enforcement community have so thoroughly separated themselves from the people they serve. The key word being serve.

I have many friends and acquaintances in your community and I doubt any of them would disagree with me. I won't get into how I know them, but most are at a supervisory level.

My only real interaction with Law Enforcement in a official capacity has been in the role of victim, other than a couple of indiscretions of youth. It is through that I know that there is a systemic problem.

When my car was stolen in Portland, Oregon, the detective immediately accused me to my face of stealing my own car for insurance. Odd since he knew it only had Liability coverage. He was a major jerk and should never have had a badge on. Two days later they find my car, parked in front of the thieves house, with a note inside to his girlfriend admitting the theft in response to her threatening to leave him. All my tools gone. All my fishing gear gone (it was actually a jeep wagoneer).

They never called me and I only found out when I called in to check. Because of their disregard, I had to pay an extra five days storage to get it back.

The Detective left the evidence on the front seat, by his own admission. I asked what they charged the thief with and why the note that proved who did it was still in the car. He told me they did not care to prosecute. He said it was not worth the bother as it was my word against his? He stole it from a fenced, gated security lot. I said but what about the note he signed to his girlfriend? He said that was worthless.

I had to deal with it myself. He also left his University Applications and his Football Scholarship papers in the seat. I contacted his parent and all the Universities and he lost his scholarship.

Here in Anchorage I had a car wiped out while parked in front of my office by a hit and run. The business owner next door had a document with the persons name he had signed. I had the license plate, description and address and the vehicle was in the driveway of his house. The officer, now a very powerful official, refused to arrest him and lied about it, saying they did not know who was driving and they could not find the car. I checked every day on the way to work and the truck remained in plain site in his drive. Even worse he was staggering drunk when he did it and pawned a gun next door.

Why am I boring you with all of these true stories?

My work is something your Unions and Organizations sometimes need and I have lots of references from people in your line of work. I've sat in on private meetings of your Unions and been in offices when things happened while I was there.

The first thing I noticed is the crystal clear, us against them mentality that permeates the very being of those who wear the badges and guns. They call us Civilians. They don't socialize with anyone but themselves. They start to think we are all criminals, all suspects. It leads to the stories we see here. It is entirely the fault of your profession as it is obvious to any observer that mentality is trained into them. I've had this conversation with many in your field and never once has it been denied.

From the other side of the fence it looks terrible. Victims treated like criminals out of hand. Zero compassion for victims. Threats and intimidation of victims. These things are all common. In a couple of the meetings they forgot I was there while they talked about "Civilians" as if we were the spawn of Satan.

One State officer confided in me that most of the illegal, fully automatic weapons in the State were in his fellow Officers basements. Again the mentality that they are special and that the law does not apply to them.

I watched Officers make turns without turn signals so many times I lost count years ago. Again the law not applying to them.

Once at a meeting about some letters I was preparing for a group, an officer bragged to me about their unwritten rule. They were not allowed to pull over Judges or Elected Officials. He said it as if it was perfectly OK. Even bragged to me later that he committed more crimes in his youth than the kids he was arresting but never got caught. He is a Sheriff now, 20 years later.

While sitting in a Detectives Office one day waiting for him to sign a check to pay for a publication they were advertising in, he asked me to wait and said he was the Crime Stoppers officer that day. Before he picked up the phone all the information on the caller popped up on his computer on an advanced caller ID program and this was before we even had caller ID. He had the call on speaker phone, not caring I was there, and assured the woman her call was anonymous. The whole time he was writing up a report on the caller and all of her information. That bothered me so much I called the phone companies legal dept. through a friend and they told me it was a crime for any officer to use such software without a warrant.

Again, please don't misunderstand me here as I fully support Law Enforcement. But you folks bring this on yourselves. By allowing it in the first place. By training your people to remain separate from the people they serve. By doing favors for Judges and Politicians and by lying to the people you serve.

Every time you turn a blind eye to another officer doing wrong you all share the guilt.

Like I said I have made some friends who wear badges I trust fully and respect fully, but they are the exception in some Departments. I have had this conversation more than once and never has the Officer denied it in private.

When you train people to separate themselves form those they serve, you guarantee this will happen. It was not that way when I was growing up. We all knew our local Officers. We smiled and waved when they drove by and children loved them. Somewhere along the line, your profession separated itself from society, adopted an arrogance tantamount to delusional disorder and incorporated it into how you train. The evidence of that is irrefutable.

If you care, you will wake up to this and work from inside to bring us back together. The children are scared of you. Law abiding citizens are scared of you and many of you are to be feared.

Power is a very dangerous thing to give a person. Your kind of power is corrupting under the best of circumstances. Until the entire Law Enforcement community wakes up and looks in a mirror, it will just get worse.

One time about 18 years ago. a friend I'd made on a State Police force walked into my office tears in his eyes. He was my age. He told me he had just drove by some young children and when he smilled and waved, they ran away screaming in fear. Barely able to control his sobs, he said those children have to trust me, what happened? What have we become. I'll leave you with that wonderful Officers words to think about and I will continue to take your side.



[edit on 3/4/2010 by Blaine91555]

If cops know the law so well why were so many of them breaking the law at the G20 in Pittsburgh?

Supremacy clause.

Right of the people to peacefully assemble.

Most of you guys cant even grasp the basics. Thats why youre police instead of lawyers.

No police should have even shown up at the G20 knowing from the briefings beforehand that you were going to be asked to break the law. Yet they all showed up and broke the law anyway.

Every police officer at the G20 broke the law either by stripping the peoples right to assemble or by not arresting the officers who were breaking the law.

None of you seemed to be just doing your job then, you were just doing what you were told and thats what you expect of the citizenry. Except the citizenry isnt accoutnable to you, but you are accountable to us.

Traitors to the people who pay you. So keep "just doing your job". Eventually we will do ours.





[edit on 4-3-2010 by watcher73]

reply to post by EMPIRE


Don't be so quick Empire. I know one here who is a dyed in the wool conspiracy addict.

Originally posted by v3_exceed
Lets put this into perspective. Cops, have earned the perception that the public has of them. It isn't one cops actions that turn an entire society, it is the consistent actions of the average being that does it.

There was a time, long ago, when a police officer was a respected profession. When one could turn to the police officer for directions, (not his job) advice (not his job) and for even a good natured banter (also not his job). At some point, the idea that the police were above the very law, the very public they swore to serve came into being.

While there "are" some seeming certainties noted, the level of assumptions and suppositions would seem akin to that which has prevailed throughout the same - this thread.

might as well just "hate" to hate.

Me?
Pick a mOar "detailed" brush ... one Not so broad, if you will.

reply to post by watcher73


Stop lying about that. Those videos were edited and the Anarchists that caused it, did it on purpose to get it on tape.