The Video The US Army Doesn't Want You To See*Warning*

reply to post by CaptSplatter


SO capt......who do you blame for radiation poisoning?

or base building instead of country building?

not quite seeing the whole picture?

4000+ dead troops......1.5 million dead Iracis.

How many displaced?

Operation Iraci Liberation

Originally posted by huntergatherer
reply to post by CaptSplatter

 

SO capt......who do you blame for radiation poisoning?

or base building instead of country building?

not quite seeing the whole picture?

4000+ dead troops......1.5 million dead Iracis.

How many displaced?

Operation Iraci Liberation

Like I said.....all that other stuff ^^^^^ is another story.

I don't really think anyone in here doesn't know the figures and statistics of the current war in Iraq.

But whose to blame? The military and governments of both countries are to blame for this war. This Iraq war was a long time in the making. We only needed one excuse to get back in there and finish the job from the first Gulf War. Where was your bleeding heart in the mid 90's when this whole # pile was starting to stink. No where!! Cause you didn't care when it wasn't around on the internet with sad stories and nasty pictures. You and every other American and Middle Eastern person knew this was coming but you BOTH did nothing to stop it.

So stop crying, sit down, grab a beer and enjoy the show......unless you and others like you plan on changing the current situation?????

Didn't thinks so......

Most of the vids have been posted on ATS before, and many (like the puppy) were proven fake.

Put some disturbing images together with a sad story and you can create a narrative that seems terrible. It doesn't necessarily make it true, however.

War is a breakdown of social order, and I know terrible things happen. But, I don't believe that reflects how the vast majority of soldiers conduct themselves.

As for why we go on these wars, that's another thread. It's still a rich man's war and a poor man's fight.

its thinking? like this CAPTAIN that totally convinces me that we are living in a doomed country..........finished.....toast

Ive got getter things to do than enjoy your show

Originally posted by huntergatherer

its thinking? like this CAPTAIN that totally convinces me that we are living in a doomed country..........finished.....toast

Ive got getter things to do than enjoy your show

Unfortunately it's not my show...If it was it would be flowers and puppies for everyone.

I am however a realist and a firm believer in America's Democracy. Our present situation could have been avoided.

It's their world were just living in it....

reply to post by huntergatherer


Then do something about it. I love how everyone in this site talks so much talk, but I would bet a lot of money that very few people actually do anything about the situation.

I am active duty right now, and I am in a leadership position. I do my part by instilling honor and accountability in the people I lead. I teach them that above all else we represent what the rest of the world thinks about Americans, and we owe it to them to display nothing but excellence and virtue.

It may not be much in the long run, and it will not stop isolated incidents of violence, but it can at least help ensure the people that come under my command will not act that way.

And I, along with many others that serve, can blame such as this on the very low standards of acceptance that have been enforced in recruiting. It is well documented that the amount of waivers for convicts has increased in recent years to counteract low recruiting numbers. Increasing the amount of convicted criminals serving in the military is really not a good idea.

The problem is the military has been put into a situation that it was not designed to handle. Nation building should be left to the people who live there.

Originally posted by cassandranova
The problem is the military has been put into a situation that it was not designed to handle. Nation building should be left to the people who live there.

I agree with you Cassandranova, however we have to give it to them to rebuild it first. Are they ready? Are we ready to give it away??

reply to post by rainfall


Thanks for educating some of the people here on ATS
this topic has to be on prime time TV
say IDOL is on at 7pm and replace with this material

If this topic is new to you please go to you tube and search
there is plenty of material on there

I seen a clip were the US army was in a bad neigborhood trying to recruit anyone to sign up ,
I would say they must have been recruiting SCUM

US soldiers... in fact... all soldiers of the world are killing machines diffusing around my PLANET ideology of destruction. Human being who has killed for money another human being is no human anymore.

Money kills.

reply to post by rainfall


Very good opening post!

Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy – quote from Henry , Kissenger Nobel Peace Prize recipient.

The above quote says it all.

Mankind never seems to learn, he keeps making the same stupid mistakes over and over again.

"All war is based on deception." -- Sun Tzu, The Art of War "
Quoted from Michael Rivero / source: whatreallyhappened.com...
There is nothing new in a government lying to their people to start a war. Indeed because most people prefer living in peace to bloody and horrific death in war, any government that desires to initiate a war usually lies to their people to create the illusion that support for the war is the only possible choice they can make.
President McKinley told the American people that the USS Maine had been sunk in Havana Harbor by a Spanish mine. The American people, outraged by this apparent unprovoked attack, supported the Spanish American War. The Captain of the USS Maine had insisted the ship was sunk by a coal bin explosion, investigations after the war proved that such had indeed been the case. There had been no mine.

Hitler used this principle of lying to his own people to initiate an invasion. He told the people of Germany that Poland had attacked first and staged fake attacks against German targets. The Germans, convinced they were being threatened, followed Hitler into Poland and into World War 2.

FDR claimed Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack. It wasn't. The United States saw war with Japan as the means to get into war with Germany, which Americans opposed. So Roosevelt needed Japan to appear to strike first. Following an 8-step plan devised by the Office of Naval Intelligence, Roosevelt intentionally provoked Japan into the attack. Contrary to the official story, the fleet did not maintain radio silence, but sent messages intercepted and decoded by US intercept stations. Tricked by the lie of a surprise attack, Americans marched off to war.

President Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin to send Americans off to fight in Vietnam.
There were no torpedoes in the water in the Gulf. LBJ took advantage of an inexperienced sonar man's report to goad Congress into escalating the Vietnam War.
It is inescapable historical reality that leaders of nations will lie to their people to trick them into wars they otherwise would have refused. It is not "conspiracy theory" to suggest that leaders of nations lie to trick their people into wars. It is undeniable fact.
Since Israel had bombed Iraq's nuclear power plant years before, it was claimed that the only reason Saddam would have for buying uranium oxide was to build bombs.
This hoax fell apart fast when it was pointed out that Iraq has a great deal of uranium ore inside their own borders and no need to import any from Niger or anywhere else. The I.A.E.A. then blew the cover off the fraud by announcing that the documents Bush had used were not only forgeries, but too obvious to believe that anyone in the Bush administration did not know they were forgeries! The forged documents were reported as being "discovered" in Italy by SISMI, the Italian Security Service. Shortly before the "discovery" the head of SISMI had been paid a visit by Michael Ledeen, Manucher Ghorbanifar, and two officials from OSP, one of whom was Larry Franklin, the Israeli spy operating inside the OSP.
In July, 2005, the Italian Parliament concluded their own investgation and named four men as suspects in the creation of the forged documents. Michael Ledeen, Dewey Clarridge, Ahmed Chalabi and Francis Brookes. This report has been included in Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation into the outing of Valerie Plame, and Paul McNulty, the prosecutor of the AIPAC spy case.
A recently declassified memo proves that the State Department reported the fact that the NIger documents were forgeries to the CIA 11 days before President Bush made the claim about the Niger uranium based on those documents.
In the end, the real proof that we were lied to about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction is that no weapons of mass destruction were ever found. That means that every single piece of paper that purported to prove that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was by default a fraud, a hoax, and a lie. There could be no evidence that supported the claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction because Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction. In a way, the existence of any faked documents about Iraq's WMDs is actually an admission of guilt. If one is taking the time to create fake documents, the implication is that the faker is already aware that there are no genuine documents.
What the US Government had, ALL that they had, were copied student papers, forged "Yellow Cake" documents, balloon inflators posing as bioweapons labs, and photos with misleading labels on them. And somewhere along the line, someone decided to put those misleading labels on those photos, to pretend that balloon inflators are portable bioweapons labs, and to pass off stolen student papers as contemporary analysis.
And THAT shows an intention to deceive.
Lawyers call this "Mens Rea", which means "Guilty Mind". TV lawyer shows call it "Malice aforethought". This means that not only did the Bush Administration lie to the people and to the US Congress, but knew they were doing something illegal at the time that they did it.
All the talk about "Intelligence failure" is just another lie. There was no failure. Indeed the Army agents who erroneously claimed that missile tubes were parts for a uranium centrifuge received bonuses, while the Pentagon smeared Hans Blix, and John Bolton orchestrated the firing of Jose Bustani, the director of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, because Bustani was trying to send chemical weapons inspectors to Baghdad.
The President of the United States and his Neocon associates lied to the people of the United States to send them off on a war of conquest.
Defenders of the government will point to the cases listed at the top of the page as proof that lying to the people is a normal part of the leader's job and we should all get used to it. And because "Everybody does it" that we should not single out the present administration. But this is madness. We do not catch all the murderers, yet when we catch a murderer, we deal with them as harshly as possible, in order to deter more murderers.
Right now, we have the criminals at hand. and, while other leaders in history have lied to start wars, for the first time in history, the lie stands exposed while the war started with the lies still rages on, to the death and detriment of our young men and women in uniform. We cannot in good moral conscience ignore this lie, this crime, lest we encourage future leaders to continue to lie to us to send our kids off to pointless wars. Lying to start a war is more than an impeachable offence; it the highest possible crime a government can commit against their own people. Lying to start a war is not only misappropriation of the nation's military and the nation's money under false pretenses, but it is outright murder committed on a massive scale. Lying to start a war is a betrayal of the trust each and every person who serves in the military places in their civilian leadership. By lying to start a war, the Bush administration has told the military fatalities and their families that they have no right to know why they were sent to their deaths. It's none of their business.
Our nation is founded on the principle of rule with the consent of the governed. Because We The People do not consent to be lied to, a government that lies rules without the consent of the governed, and ruling without the consent of the governed is slavery.
You should be more than angry. You should be in a rage. You should be in a rage no less than that of the families of those young men and women who have been killed and maimed in this war started with a lie.You need to be in a rage and you need to act on that rage because even as I type these words, the same government that lied about Iraq's nuclear weapons is telling the exact same lies about Iran's nuclear capabilities. The writing is on the wall; having gotten away with lying to start the war in Iraq, the US Government will lie to start a war in Iran, and after that another, and after that another, and another and another and another because as long as you remain silent, and as long as you remain inactive, the liars have no reason to stop.

As long as you remain inactive, the liars have no reason to stop.

There is individual karma and group karma. Our group karma here in America is really going to be a bitch to pay off. I shudder at having to share in this payment.

Mankind just doesn't seem to learn that war is always instigated by men in power that profit from the misery of the rest of us and yet we keep kissing the very hands that are slapping us and using our children and grandchildren, nieces, nephews, husbands, daughters, sons and neighbor's kids as throw away pawns.

Start researching who profits from war. Various companies make their living off of the machine of death.

Here's the REAL documentary that the Army does not want you to see --

video.google.com...#

Award-winning journalist expose on the genocide in Iraq.

I believe everyone has convincing points in their opinion. This video was definitely fear based (what isn't these days) and can be considered biased and maybe too general in dumping all military soldiers in the bad apple basket. Yes, maybe some of what we saw were 'fake' or drastically exaggerated.

Though, besides being stuck on details, as wars and occupation become more common in the future, that which we saw will become more common, what which we deem as 'fake' will happen. Really, these things already happen in civilian interactions, I can't imagine how much easier being a soldier will get but probably not.

This is our reality, our worldly depression. Whether you scoff at what is going on, or feel moved, or feel unconvinced, or really don't believe, you will hear something, many things crashing down, and it's the sound that you can't ignore for what it is, whatever truth you are so inclined to accept.

reply to post by trueblue


Us Military have the worst rep , my uncle who was in vietnam fighting for N.z SAS were patrolling with the Aussie Boys , they came across a small village and witnessed the yanks (who didnt know that the boys from downunder were on the ridge ) sweep into the village , and they shot every man, boy, child and infant , then raped the women and girls thoughout the night like friggan demons , the N.z/Aussie boys couldnt do anything about,and before my uncle died ,he always regretted not doin so , Watching this , Just makes me sick ,...S&F

Absolutely horrifying. There will come a day when myself and my fellow Americans will unfortunately have to face the consequences of these soldiers actions, and I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same to us that we are doing to them. These soldiers are not heroes, they are criminals and terrorists. I can't say for certain that this is the norm, although it seems to be happening more and more. I can only hope that the majority of troops have some sense of morality left. This war has created a whole generation of monsters. They deserve to be locked away in the terrorist camps that they indiscriminately pack full, maybe a taste of their own medicine will restore some humanity in their hearts.

Originally posted by andy1972
I saw it...that puppy had an AK47..
And those pesky sheep were planting IUD´s by the road side...

Really? Planting contraceptive devices by the road side? What were they thinking, perhaps cabbage patch babies are a problem over there?

IED Ohhh that woulda made sense

Well I've yet to watch the video because I don't go to Ogrish anymore for a reason, and I wish there had been a description of the events so I could understand.. I've never watched the marine throw the dog off the clip and I never will, I also thought it was not allowed to be on youtube.

SO meh, I've seen enough beheadings, mutilations, gun shots to the head and face, stonings, hangings and all sorts of amputations done by the people who LIVE over there to their OWN people, this all sounds tame to me.

Originally posted by EVILteddie
reply to post by huntergatherer

 

Then do something about it. I love how everyone in this site talks so much talk, but I would bet a lot of money that very few people actually do anything about the situation.

I am active duty right now, and I am in a leadership position. I do my part by instilling honor and accountability in the people I lead. I teach them that above all else we represent what the rest of the world thinks about Americans, and we owe it to them to display nothing but excellence and virtue.

It may not be much in the long run, and it will not stop isolated incidents of violence, but it can at least help ensure the people that come under my command will not act that way.

Your in a leadership position? So where do you lead your people to drop off the fresh oil supply?

[edit on 3/4/2010 by dalan.]

America are the real terrorists, this video just reinforces that belief.

The masses have been fooled for too long.