FED kills a real life friend (former ATS member & Military Man of 12yrs) - PLEASE help solve this!

Originally posted by hornum
This is from 2008! Why suddenly is it now you have posted this?

If you took the time to actually read the thread, I had already posted that I just found out about the death recently from an old high school friend who happened to be a mutual friend of Darius's since we both knew his step-daughter.

I had stopped talking to his step-daughter, and him once I went away to school, same with my friend (he moved to Florida after Darius's death). I reconnected with my high school friend recently, he told me about the death, showed me the articles, we talked about Darius, the family, his ex (the step-daughter, whom I had fling with as well), and ATS was brought up before I even had a chance to mention it - meaning that my friend had known Darius to be on abovetopsecret. He then went on to tell me about conversations they had about ET's, which I had heard from Darius as well, but my friend was closer to him and gave me more info which helped me create this thread with more facts behind it.

Trust me I would have brought this up the day it happened if I had known Darius had died. It's only been two years anyway, in human time that's not that long so unless you are some other species I would suspect you understand that death of someone you knew/cared about can bother you for a while... usually your whole life, although you do learn to live with the death. In my case, I am a spiritualist and know that Darius is fine since he died except that he needs my help getting this story out to people to analyze so we can get to the bottom of it. That is why I asked ATS for help, not only was Darius a member here but ATS is very good at researching, and as much crap people have spewed in this thread, I have to admit we have come together as a big team and have been working together very well considering the circumstances. I'm proud to know I'm apart of this site now, I've been having doubts lately because of the way people treat one another around here, but so many people have been U2Uing me giving me information they found using their free time - people are also doing the same thing in the thread. Once again I am very appreciative of that help, as is Darius I'm 100% sure of that.

Once I solve this, which I very much hope I do get all the facts, I will share this story with the family first. Even if I don't have 100% proof to clear his name, I will make sure I try to do so anyway, it's the least I can do for someone who fell victim to government officials who think they can play God. You know you read threads/article/news whichever, all the time, but when it has to do with someone you know you tend to take it very personally. In fact if someone didn't take it personally and they knew the person I'd find it highly suspicious. I am not only doing my duty as a true American (as many others in this thread have done) but I am also being a man and standing up for what I believe in, which is to seek truth.

Originally posted by hornumYou say you knew this person and that they were innocent? What makes you so sure? Do you ever really totally know someone?

Well I guess no one knows every single thought processed by the human brain, not even their own, so no I cannot say I completely knew Darius, nor can I even say I was very close to him. But I did know the guy and he was a good person, and I knew the family, specifically his step-daughter very well, and I have other people, including a good friend I've known since my middle school days, who knew Darius much better than myself and they are giving me what information they can which I have added to this thread.

This is a rough subject to bring up for the family so I haven't contacted them yet, I want to dig a bit deeper before talking to them. Not to mention it's been a while since I've spoken to them so it will not be the most comfortable conversation starter I admit. But you know what? This will all be worth it in the end, I don't care how long it takes me to figure it out, and if I have to do it on my own so be it.

No person deserves to be murdered/executed, not to mention for something they didn't do. And on top of that now his name is ruined, which hurts the family as well as his reputation. I want to help redeem his name and all he worked for to make it mean something to himself and those who cared for him. That's it.

Regarding your computer acting weird,

It might be true you are being monitored. In this case, everything you are doing you are sharing with others here and have nothing to hide.

We know you are conducting this investigation (say it's just curiosity or a hobby or whatever) I suggest you also tell someone who knows you personally and understands this side of your mind that you are doing this.

If you notice anything weird, bring it up here and in detail.

Just an advice.. Since you are one of those who "won't shut up", BE PARANOID!

All my prayers to you!


[edit on 6-2-2010 by AlKashif]

reply to post by AlKashif


Thanks, I appreciate it. Hopefully there is nothing to worry about. And if anyone else comes across anymore information please let me know. Thank you.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


I am sorry to hear about your friend. Its sad to know that the government, such as the FBI are so easily enabled to act upon things they are told which to them probably don't even make sense. If I can help in anyway I will, I will try and see if I can help search for the profile. Star and flag for you, good luck highlyoriginal!

FACT: Federal law enforcement agents lawfully entered the home of a previously convicted felon to search for evidence of a suspected crime.

REASONABLE ASSUMPTION: We can safely assume that the officers had a pre-brief, and the officers knew the suspect was prior military, and had prior felony convictions. (weapons related). (from the officers point of view, these 2 facts alone should already have you on some type of "high guard" when you approach that door.)

It is UNKNOWN to us whether or not they had any additional amplifying information on the suspect. e.g. "Suspect known to be armed, and dangerous", etc.

Prosecutor: FBI Justified In Shooting Child Porn Suspect 2-15-2008 Pennsylvania: LEVITTOWN, Pa. --

The top Bucks County prosecutor said FBI agents were justified when they fatally shot a child pornography suspect during a standoff at his home. District Attorney Michelle Henry said Darius Hill was holding a loaded handgun and had lowered it toward the agents during the Jan. 28 raid. The agents eventually shot the 39-year-old Hilltown Township man in the heart. Investigators found that Hill then shot himself in the mouth. Henry said the agents thought he was returning fire, so they fired six more shots at him.

The agents had been at the home looking for child pornography but Hill had refused to surrender and held the gun to his chin and mouth for about 10 minutes.

Link


A 10 MINUTE STAND OFF PEOPLE! COME ON!

It's easy to arm chair quarter back it, until you've been in a situation like this... It's one of the most difficult to diffuse. Tension is high ANYTIME guns are involved. In these situations split second decisions often determine whether you're going home tonight to see see your wife and kids...

First off, the subject shouldn't have even been in possession of a gun PERIOD. He was in violation of federal law YET AGAIN...

Now put yourself in the officers shoes...

The suspect pulls out a weapon... you pull out yours, draw down on him, and issue a lawful order to drop the weapon...

The suspect ignores, or refuses the order and raises the weapon [SCREEEEECH! STOP!]... as an officer you have no idea what the suspect is thinking...

will he raise the weapon towards you?
will he raise the weapon towards one of your partners?
will he raise the weapon towards himself?
will he raise the weapon and shoot the russian suitcase nuke you didn't see in the corner? (it's far fetched, but being a police officer, this is the reality of the job. You never know.)

There's a million possibilities, and you have absolutely NO idea of knowing what's gonna happen next.

The only thing you do know is:
1)The subject has a weapon he shouldn't have.
2)The subject has unrestricted access to that weapon (it's already in his hand), and I'm in the effective range of that weapon!
3)The subject has not listened to my lawful order to drop the weapon, and he is now lifting the weapon.

Given these 3 knowns you'ld most likely be fully justified in shooting as soon as that weapon gets raised. This isn't Holywood... officers don't wait for the barrel of the weapon to point at them for dramatic effect... the weapon moves up in the officers direction, and the threat gets neutralized.

I commend the officers for not shooting already, and trying to work with the subject to diffuse the situation.

We don't know specifics such as:

Did this happen in a well lit room, where the officers could clearly see the subjects actions?
What was the subjects emotional state? e.g. Was he breaking down in shame? Was he silent? Was he angry, yelling profanities at the officer? We don't know.

What we do know is BAM! A shot was fired... and going back to what I mentioned earlier, split second decisions often determine whether you're leaving in your car or a body bag. These officers took appropriate action to a situation they had no idea they were getting in to.


Childporn being used as just an excuse to invade this guys home?

Steven Gamvroulas, an agent in the Utah Attorney General's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, said he'd received about 700 pieces of child pornography by e-mail from Hill specifically.

Well it seems they had 700 excuses to enter this guys home...

None of this should be taken as a shot on Mr. Hill himself. I have not mentioned him by name, and I most certainly have not said anything negative about him, or his character. I only post this to stand up for my brothers in arms. These FBI agents have been called Assassins, and EVEN MURDERERS by some participants in this thread. I'm sure that these men, and women were just like every other federal agent I've met, and have had the opportunity to work with... Good, hard working people just trying to make it home to their families at the end of the day.

No actually one of the most ridiculous movements the world has ever seen is 'skeptics' who play the 'we are the scientifically correct' crowd. I offer the same thing as I do to all skeptics, please reply with how much of the universe you are absolutely certain about as a percentage (%) out of 100, and we will see how sound your logic is

How do you know no-one has demonstrated RV? Have you actually researched the topic, or are you talking based on opinion? If you actually research this topic thoroughly, you may find that there is plenty of evidence to support RV, including double blind tests, and ive seen many of the debunkers are part of an agenda to discredit a revolutionary scientific discovery, as well as to promote the intellectual lunacy of 'skepticism'

I did not claim I was 100% accurate, but that I was having 100% accuracy in describing certain targets. I did have big misses, but in most cases there was something that at least had beyond coincidence similarities with my target

I have not done RV for a while because I found it exceptionally draining to do, like the equivalent of a several mile run

All I can say that at the end of the day, people can claim big sounding words like scientific method etc, but if you cant state that you know 100% of the universe, then by the laws of the most basic of common sense and reason, you must therefore choose to be open minded! The reason I find it very difficult to show the proof of psychic phenomena and other interesting things to 'skeptics' is that they have already made up their mind before even investigating the matter properly! Quantum physics, psychology even science proves to us that our world and our results are massively effected by our belief system i.e. studies on placebos. That is what I find the 'skeptics' and 'atheists' dont appreciate thereby being more biased and 'religious' than that which they hate!

So once again I state RV is a very useful tool to get closure on matters of this possible conspiracy

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by NichirasuKenshin

 

That was my point

Remote viewing is one of the most ridiculous movements the world has ever seen, which is saying something. If it is so accurate, why the hell hasn't anyone demonstrated it, taken all the money that is on offer for demonstrating it, and helped countless people in the process.

Either they have the ability and are greedy, or they don't have the ability and are misguided.

I know which one is more likely.

Originally posted by Atione
So once again I state RV is a very useful tool to get closure on matters of this possible conspiracy

Except it does not work, it is a con used to remove money from people or give a ego boost to the charlatan who claims it works. There is zero evidence it works, and a lot of evidence that shows it does not work

reply to post by Atione


"
All I can say that at the end of the day, people can claim big sounding words like scientific method etc, but if you cant state that you know 100% of the universe, then by the laws of the most basic of common sense and reason, you must therefore choose to be open minded!

"

This would be a good example of why you should probably look into the whole concept of the scientific method once. If you would do so you would be able to see through the asbolute sillyness of the statement you just made.

A little hint for you: The scientific method has not, does not, and will never claim anything. Scientist may claim something, but a scientiest using the scientific method will never and has never claimed "to know 100%". You've got it quite backwards.

Thanks for proving that.

reply to post by microcosm

Gee, I could swing at this the same way you did...except.

You're still missing some facts. And one of the biggest one's is this...THEY LIED ABOUT CAUSE OF DEATH. THEY LIED ABOUT HOW MANY SHOTS ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE SUSPECT. "A single gunshot wound to the head???" Come on??? In your rant, you completely left out some key information. Why do you think that they were conveniently trying to LEAVE out certain DETAILS to the public if it were so cut and dry like the way that you're making it out???

Also, They took family members out of the home BEFORE family members were aware of the scenario. Many times, family members will be used against the suspect as leverage so that they can get a clean arrest instead of having a standoff.

So, I know that you want to pat yourself on the back, but, in your extremely long description of what you believe "really happened," you left out some sensitive and very key information which contradicts "YOUR" version of the story. To me, it sounds like that law enforcement had something to hide, and that's exactly what they did.



[edit on 7-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


That's exactly what I was thinking.

The FBI or "your brother in arms" are not all good people. Just because you have meant some good people who may or may have not been in the FBI does not mean that they are all good people. Not to mention, are you FBI? Is that what you were saying in your post? If so then why not see if you can get some information on Darius for me and see if the files you can get a hold of match up the the official story. I bet there will be more holes than an old block of cheese.

reply to post by highlyoriginal



I don't know if you saw this earlier post(on page 3), but I found much of the info on D.H. quite relevant to your search.




"Armour For Victor
posted on 4-2-2010 @ 12:48 PM


Heres a site with a bit more information.

www.leatherneck.com...

Its also being blogged.

Peace.
[edit] It's just the story no blogging, but it still has info."

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Armour For Victor]



Sorry this didn't come out like I meant for it to.
How's this?
www.leatherneck.com...

I also removed statements that were not from this site but from another
Sorry again

[edit on 7-2-2010 by azureskys]

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


You're still missing some facts. And one of the biggest one's is this...THEY LIED ABOUT CAUSE OF DEATH. THEY LIED ABOUT HOW MANY SHOTS ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE SUSPECT. "A single gunshot wound to the head???" Come on???

High chances are, a person sitting at a desk, completely uninvolved with this case released the press release. Happens ALL the time. As more, and more details made it's way back to the office, the statement was retracted... and the new one was released. (which shows a degree of transparency, which is a good thing... It'd be suspicious if the agency just left it as "yeah, he killed himself end of story")

After the events that took place, I'm certain those agents were busy with the mountain of paper work that followed that evening... I highly doubt the original statement (or lie as you call it) came from one of the involved officers mouth.

In fact, I'd stand on the fact that the original statement didn't come out of one of the involved officers mouth. When an officer has to actually shoot a suspect, he speaks to NO ONE after wards. Officers know that words (especially ones recorded by the media) can come back as absolute nightmares in court. Attorneys can, and WILL twist and wrap words around your head like you have no idea. Any officer knows this.

Next time an agent has to shoot a suspect, he'll tweet it, or update his face book status accordingly so everyone is on the same page... because it seems that this is what you're expecting...

Also, They took family members out of the home BEFORE family members were aware of the scenario. Many times, family members will be used against the suspect as leverage so that they can get a clean arrest instead of having a standoff.

Hollywood, and TV Drama strike again... I think you're thinking of a hostage scenario from a movie. When it comes to situations like using family members for "leverage" (as you put it) its done by a TRAINED hostage negotiators. Effectively using emotion, and family members the way you suggest takes TRAINING, TRAINING, and more TRAINING. Without that training, those officers probably did what any other officer would do... isolate, and control the area so as to AVOID a hostage situation, or active shooter situation from actually developing.

If a stray shot had been fired, and the youngest daughter was wounded, or killed by that stray shot because she was in the next room, or the floor below, can you imagine the monster law suit on the agencies hands? Do you really think if there's a standoff happening in the next room over, or the next floor above, the police are just gonna leave you in that area?

reply to post by highlyoriginal


No, I'm not in the FBI, and I have no access to any records pertaining to this case, or any other case. I work within the law enforcement community, and write everything based off of my training, and experience. Nothing I say comes from first hand knowledge of this event, and nothing I say should be taken as an official, or even unofficial statement for any agency, or organization.

[edit on 2/8/10 by microcosm]

Somehow the two cases listed below are inter-related.

Utah agent led FBI to Hill

The raid had its roots in an unusual announcement last year from the Utah Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force. Agent Steven Gamvroulas told local news stations that he’d used the wording on a girl’s cheerleading uniform, the name of the NFL team on her jersey and other clues to track her down in Massachusetts. Authorities learned she was abused from the ages of 12 to 15, and the boyfriend who took the pictures has since been arrested.

The pictures that ended up in officers’ hands were from Darius Hill’s Internet address, Gamvroulas said

Kyle Fuchs – Repeat Sex Offender – Plead Down then became a Sick Twisted Internet Predator

In 2007, Steve Gamvroulas, an ICAC agent with the Utah Department of Public Safety, discovered 42 images of a victim that had been sent to a Utah man who was suspected of trading child pornography. A school cheerleading outfit, a New England Patriots jersey and a partial word on a sweatshirt were the only clues Gamvroulas had to work with to begin his investigation.

Over the course of time, Gamvroulas was able to use that information to identify the victim.

Additional info:

RIP Sgt Hill

"It was over a period of eight months, just on and off," Gamvroulas said. "He could send me a bunch of images at one time and then I wouldn't talk to him again for months."

Through a series of subpoenas on Web-site hosts and Internet providers, Gamvroulas said, he identified the sender's address as Hill's home. He said he had no evidence that Hill was producing the images, only that someone in his house was obtaining and distributing them.

Here is something from Philly.com

nl.newsbank.com... p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=(death%20of%20Darius%20Hill%20by%20FBI)&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date&xcal_useweights=no

Don't know if there is anything here that is new to you "highlyoriginal"
just found it

[edit on 7-2-2010 by azureskys]

reply to post by gaurdian2012
I have wondered that myself guardian. I have been reprimanded by the folks here at ATS a few times, and then when somebody does the same thing to me, they(ATS) looks the other way.

Since joining ATS, I have been followed to the other boards I frequent, and I know this because I check their ISP ports of entry. I have also had phonecalls late at night, and when I would answer, it would hang up and dialing *69 revealed nothing.

I have also noticed that when I post at other boards, the pattern of harrassment I receive is pretty much identical of what I get here by some on the forums too.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


Thank you. There will always be people who want to accept the original story as gospel because of their belief in the common good, but in the end, critical analysis is needed if one expects to understand the truth.

reply to post by microcosm


I don't think that is a plausible excuse for letting out faulty information. Either your investigation is accurate, or it is not.

Bumbling investigations is not a good example of professionalism. So, if it was just a mistake like you highlighted...then I'd rather never have that police dept. working on my behalf.

And we're not talking about movies here microcosm, because, only in the movies can the police completely screw up an investigation and not be held accountable. FOR INSTANCE: Shooting a person six times and claiming that there was only a single gunshot wound. What country do you think we live in microcosm??? This place isn't completely fascist yet, therefore, intelligent people are going to have questions when there is such a discrepancy.

ALSO, Family members have been quite instrumental in diffusing hostage situations. They don't leave them inside, but, they have been historically used to talk down people on cellphones etc. Yes, they use this idea in movies over and over...however, it has actually happened.


[edit on 8-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by azureskys


Thanks for that link, I've added it to my information I am going to go through the articles and see if there is anything I've missed.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by microcosm

 

I don't think that is a plausible excuse for letting out faulty information. Either your investigation is accurate, or it is not.

Bumbling investigations is not a good example of professionalism. So, if it was just a mistake like you highlighted...then I'd rather never have that police dept. working on my behalf.

And we're not talking about movies here microcosm, because, only in the movies can the police completely screw up an investigation and not be held accountable. FOR INSTANCE: Shooting a person six times and claiming that there was only a single gunshot wound. What country do you think we live in microcosm??? This place isn't completely fascist yet, therefore, intelligent people are going to have questions when there is such a discrepancy.

ALSO, Family members have been quite instrumental in diffusing hostage situations. They don't leave them inside, but, they have been historically used to talk down people on cellphones etc. Yes, they use this idea in movies over and over...however, it has actually happened.


[edit on 8-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Very true. The family members being taken away and 2 hours later being told their husband/father is dead really messes with me a lot. I need to figure out where exactly they were held, I know it was at the Hilltown Police Station (which is approx. 10 minutes from me) but I wonder how they kept them there. If it was unjust, handcuffed, locked in a room etc. there could be possible false imprisonment charges that were never dealt with although I doubt anyone would back up the families story.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


The most intriguing members of ATS I recall being Dan Tanna and some of the people who he made friends with on his main thread.

I don't know that it'd be Dan Tanna, since I think he lives overseas, but I recall some of the guys who posted on his thread were very knowledgeable about certain things, and that thread was about alien contacts, so you can rummage through there. I usually post on the most intriguing threads.

"District Attorney Michelle Henry said Darius Hill was holding a loaded handgun and had lowered it toward the agents during the Jan. 28 raid."

I'm not sure if this has any relavance but why did the DA call it a raid instead of just serving a search warrant? Is serving a search warrant and a raid the same thing?