FED kills a real life friend (former ATS member & Military Man of 12yrs) - PLEASE help solve this!

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
Evolved Ministry, I believe you did well. I would be surprised if you are not right about your guesses.

The thing that does it for me here is that the FBI took the family away. I can't imagine that they would drive the family to the station unless they knew that things would get really dirty.

And how convenient is it that the moment they arrived just happened to be the moment that he was alone upstairs? That could have gone VERY differently.

I agree that the story does not make sense, but alas... I haven't the slightest.

Thank you for your reply and consideration. This whole scenario is loaded with smoke and mirrors and I think your observation about the family being removed for dubious purposes has much merit.

I'm still trying to make a few more speculations with the information that has been given.

It was the cops that removed the daughters and wife and the wife's statement was that there was nothing going on when she left. Obviously no noise that would indicate her husband barricaded himself in and hunkered down for a stand off. This was done so it would not appear that the FBI was involved in covering up what was going on and the most credible witnesses - in this case the Hilltown Police - would not be there to witness anything.
All I can do today people. Keep me posted.

this thread is full of nasties, i don't understand why it was reopened,(no offense to the mods who did reopend it but it seems to be going nowhere) hopefully it is being watched carefully, let the detectives do the detective work, and let us get back to denying ignorance

Originally posted by l neXus l
this thread is full of nasties, i don't understand why it was reopened,(no offense to the mods who did reopend it but it seems to be going nowhere) hopefully it is being watched carefully, let the detectives do the detective work, and let us get back to denying ignorance

The world is full of nastiness. Head burying is not denying ignorance. It is ignorance. Just remember when you stick your head in the sand, your butt is still exposed. TPTB just love exposed butts.

i agree with you but it seems like there is nothing WE personally can do, i feel very weirded out at why this would happen and if this person was certainly an ATS member then it is a loss,

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Back On Topic Please.

Thank You

I found something interesting when reading about the Michael Fitzpatrick donation Darius made.

Michael Fitzpatrick is for gun rights, in Bucks County which happened to be slightly more Democratic at the time he ran for Congress.

Bucks County pro-gun Republican Michael Fitzpatrick won an open seat against antigun Democrat Virginia Schrader.

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District 8: An open seat in suburban Bucks County, which leans slightly Democratic, is attracting national attention. Republican Michael Fitzpatrick (A/NR) is a social conservative.

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He also proposed a bill to control online pedophilia by restricting children's access to social networking sites.
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"When children leave the home and go to school or the public library and have access to social-networking sites, we have reason to be concerned," Rep. Michael Fitzpatrick, a Pennsylvania Republican, told CNET News.com in an interview. Fitzpatrick and fellow Republicans, including House Speaker Dennis Hastert, on Wednesday endorsed new legislation (click here for PDF) that would cordon off access to commercial Web sites that let users create public "Web pages or profiles" and also offer a discussion board, chat room, or e-mail service. ...

Fitzpatrick's bill, called the Deleting Online Predators Act, or DOPA, is part of a new, poll-driven effort by Republicans to address topics that they view as important to suburban voters. ...

"My bill is both timely and needed and will be very well-accepted, certainly by the constituents I represent," Fitzpatrick said.

So the pro-gun stance would be in keeping with what we know about Darius, aside from legal or moral issues. So if he supported Michael Fitzpatrick, whose position on gun freedom he agreed with, why would he support Fitzpatrick with the anti-pedophilia if he himself was dealing or making porn?

It seems to me he would support a candidate aligned with him on major issues. Then again, maybe he didn't notice or care about the anti-pedophilia part. I don't know. I'm just saying, it's possibly a little more evidence of his character imo. However, maybe this is significant for other reasons possibly connected to the child porn ring sting operation. Or who knows what other importance (or lack of importance) this has.

reply to post by invernal

Some of the information that you just brought up is probably key. I'll look into that stuff a bit further.

Good work.

reply to post by l neXus l


I understand where you are coming from.
The guy obviously was a trouble maker, BUT did he he really deserve to get get whacked by the feds?
I think, or at least I hope, that's the point the OP is trying to make here, and being that this is a conspiracy website, the point is perfectly valid and the circumstances leading to his death should certainly be questioned.

...yet at the same time, the moral of the story reminds of an old Japanese proverb that warns against being the nail that sticks, lest you get hammered,..or something to that effect.

...yet again, it's also kinda related to what I reference in my sig, (photo from the holocaust memorial in Boston):
They came for the troublemakers, but I did not speak out because I was not a trouble maker,.....

Vicious cycle?

I'm going to examine the evidence, and try to produce the most likely scenario and sequence of events that may have taken place after the FBI agents entered his house.

Agents told Rebecca Hill they had a search warrant, but wouldn't say what they were looking for, and pushed past her into the house. When they realized her husband was home, they went upstairs to the bedroom. Rebecca Hill heard voices, but not any shots.

Soon afterward, Hilltown police escorted Rebecca Hill and her two daughters to a squad car outside and later drove them to the police station. Only several hours later did they tell her that her husband had died.

So there were no immediate gun shots according to his wife.

On Wednesday, the FBI stepped back from its earlier statement that a coroner's report showed conclusively Hill shot himself to death.

“The information we had was premature and that we now realize that the coroner had not made a final determination,” said FBI spokeswoman Jerri Williams.

We can also see the FBI tries making claims, before they can be professionally confirmed, as if they are trying to fabricate a story, instead of revealing what really happened on that day.

The agents confiscated Darius Hill's computer, and took up a square of blood soaked carpet in his bedroom, his mother said.

Possibly removing any blood splatter evidence to hide the true nature of the shootings that took place.

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Investigations — into which of the six shots killed him and whether one was self-inflicted — are ongoing. His family has hired its own attorney to investigate his death.

Many people who knew Hill were shocked by his violent death. They question how a man they described as a “gentle giant” could have died in a barrage of bullets.

“I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I believe that 9/11 happened and that a man did land on the moon,” said James Celotto of Jamison, a friend who employed Hill as a contractor. “But there’s something fishy about this.”

“How did he shoot himself if he was shot five times?” Celotto asked. “Or why did they shoot him five times after he shot himself?”

This guy points out the obvious flaw in this story, which most of us find very suspicious. It simply does not add up.

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District Attorney Michelle Henry said Darius Hill was holding a loaded handgun and had lowered it toward the agents during the Jan. 28 raid.

The agents eventually shot the 39-year-old Hilltown Township man in the heart.

Investigators found that Hill then shot himself in the mouth. Henry said the agents thought he was returning fire, so they fired six more shots at him.

The agents had been at the home looking for child pornography but Hill had refused to surrender and held the gun to his chin and mouth for about 10 minutes.

So he lowered his gun towards the agents...and they eventually shot him in the heart? But wait...he also held a gun to his chin and mouth for about 10 minutes? Which is it? Did he have the gun pointed at the agents or at his chin? It's possible he had it pointed towards his own chin for 10 minutes, before turning the gun towards the agents, at which point, the agents shot him, and he quickly proceeded to shoot him self...but I don't think so...

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Here is my conclusion:

The FBI agents were ordered to kill Hill, for unknown reasons, possibly he possessed top secret knowledge or even documents containing sensitive information - that's really why they wanted his PC and basically all the paperwork and documents in his house. The warrant allowed the federal agents to search for any computers, cameras, documents, notebooks or records indicating he possessed or distributed child pornography. Kiddie porn was a perfect excuse in this case, as it allows them to locate and seize exactly what they were after...and as others have said, it turns everyone against him, due to the nature of the crime, which makes it easier to cover up the truth and stops people asking questions...I believe they first interrogated the man, to find out exactly what he knew and where he stored the sensitive information, this is why there were no initial bullet shots, and his death was not reported to his wife for several hours...it probably ended up with them locating exactly what they wanted, and the disposal of Hill at the end...I don't believe at any point did Hill have a gun in his hand...he didn't have time to grab it before the agents busted in...the agents had total control over the situation as they were interrogating him...I believe one of the agents found Hill's gun at some point...what happened next, wasn't part of the plan...the agent with Hill's gun shot him with it in an attempt to make it look like a suicide...but in a rush to kill him, the angle of the shot and blood splatter effects were ignored or calculated slightly wrong...at which point they removed a section of carpet because blood splatter analysis would show he couldn't have fired the gun...but they knew this was too suspicious...a dead guy who apparently shot himself, holding his gun on a really odd angle, and a missing piece of carpet...so they improvised a little and shot him 5 more times with their own guns...and in the end they were left with the story we now know...still highly curious, but still more believable...

That's all I have at this stage, until more information becomes available...I really wish we could find his ATS username...if he had one...

[edit on 5/2/10 by CHA0S]

reply to post by CHA0S


Good post. I thank you all for putting effort into this and I'm taking in all the information and trying to come to my own conclusions but you have to all admit that the more stuff that pops up, the more questions there are that are unanswered. This is really confusing me, I'm still upset about this a lot, like I am in Hilltown just about every day... the cops around our area are corrupt as crap and I would give specifics but I really don't want to get into that right now if I have too explain more I will though because I know first hand what they are capable of myself; personal experiences.

I am going to go over all the evidence you guys have brought up, which once again I'm very appreciative of all of your guys help.

Originally posted by cjcord

Originally posted by electricveins
reply to post by Brainiac

 

The thing is he wasn't suicidal. Remember the OP said Darius had just gotten off the tread mill. Why would a suicidal person be worried about fitness?

This keeps being brought up, and it seems everyone keeps ignoring a glaring fact:

He was on the treadmill when everything was a-ok. He went upstairs, and Feds came in.

Hello,
Who's to say the feds didn't just cap into him, then go through his stuff until they found his gun? Therefore making statement prematurely. When wild dogs are allowed to run rampant, they bite anyone for any reason. The motive is still unclear, the fact that he was murdered in cold-blood speaks volumes!!! In my mind's eye that is. The family was taken off premises so a search can be administered, so as to find his gun. The story about his computer has to be a false flag. A sex-crime is a sex-crime...Jefrey Dahmer killed animals before he graduated to humans didn't he? This guys "crimes" are unrelated. Kids and guns don't relate in this conjectured scenario. My two cents.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


If the FBI took his computer, they may have been able to get his ATS username and password from it.

IF they thought he had given out info they were looking for, they could have taken over his account and used it to contact people on his friends list in an attempt to tease that info out of them to find out how much info he might have given out.

For all we know they could still be monitoring ATS to this day looking for info or using his account to post disinfo. I wouldn't be suprised if they posted on this thread.

If they took over his account, some of his friends may have gotten some strange U2Us from him seeking info to feel them out to find out how much they know. Also, a change in his posting style may be a tip off to who he was and when the FBI took over his account.

Yeah, I know it sounds paranoid but that's what ATS is all about.

[edit on 5-2-2010 by FortAnthem]

reply to post by CHA0S

Your theory sounds legitimate to me as I came up with a similar result, but, not as detailed as yours. Now, I wonder...what was it that they were looking for???

There is no question to me that he was murdered in cold blood to ascertain sensitive material. So...what was it???

reply to post by FortAnthem

I don't know if your post sounds as paranoid as you would believe. Actually it sounds quite sensible, especially considering the state of our country these days.

Originally posted by highlyoriginal
reply to post by CHA0S

 

Good post. I thank you all for putting effort into this and I'm taking in all the information and trying to come to my own conclusions but you have to all admit that the more stuff that pops up, the more questions there are that are unanswered. This is really confusing me, I'm still upset about this a lot, like I am in Hilltown just about every day... the cops around our area are corrupt as crap and I would give specifics but I really don't want to get into that right now if I have too explain more I will though because I know first hand what they are capable of myself; personal experiences.

I am going to go over all the evidence you guys have brought up, which once again I'm very appreciative of all of your guys help.

No problem, we're glad to help...with the exception of a few bozos around here, most of us hate to see a tragedy. If some of the earlier attacks against your character continue, put them on ignore so that we can address this situation for what it is. All of the negativity that you receive only serves to derail the topic and get us off the scent that is in front of us. So, just ignore the stupidity and concentrate your efforts on finding the truth.

Originally posted by DaWhiz
Hill's daughters were 5 and 3 at the time of their dad's death in 2008. What 5 yr old would write what you are saying? Also why does a 5 yr old have a 15 yr old for a friend? Just curious what story you were reading. www.google.com...=en&q=Darius+T.+Hill+Marine+Death+&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=c26c79a56c95bda8

Reading the links in the previous posts would have informed you that he had a son and daughter from his first marriage.

Back on topic...

Yes, I think we can all agree that his death appears to be highly unusual. A conspiracy sounds very intriguing, but the motives for such a sloppy "execution" leads me to believe its more incompetence than conspiracy. Not every FBI agent slides across the hood of his car to lay down cover fire for his partner. Since the FBI agents were not there for to make an arrest they likely didnt expect any violent resistance, and possibly a few more assumptions later the coroner is called.

What I would like to know is where the findings are from the two autopsies and whether or not his hard drive contained pornography since this happened in Feb '08.

to the OP:
"I do not know as of yet what Darius Hill did OR knew that he shouldn't have, but I want to mention that a friend of mine who dated his step-daughter before I did (and who knew him much better than I) is the one who brought this to my attention..."

So all your testimony is hearsay? And you got the info from your friend and not Hill's step-daughter?

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
reply to post by riley

 

Riley, you're defending yourself against a guy who will not relent on his ignorance. If I were you, I'd use the ignore button and continue your direction. Otherwise you'll have to constantly answer a multitude of silly questions that will ultimately take you off topic and screw up any possibility that you have of helping the OP.

This isn't about arguing your position, it is about providing as much intelligent information to the OP as possible. As soon as you engage with this other member, you will be derailed in your attempts to provide useful, intelligent, and well though out information.

I've dealt with this member before, and trust me, it is a complete waste of your time.

And just so you know, I have never had to put another member on ignore before. So far, he's the one and only person that I've had to silence due to his inability to adequately look at, discern and argue his opinion with the information that is provided. I believe that I'm saving you tons of time and effort by posing the ignore button as an option.

Thankyou. I was actually perplexed as to why he was demanding I back up my point of view when I didn't really offer one and only asked for more information. I also said that I hadn't read all the posts so maybe he saw it as opportunity to re-iterate points that he'd already made with other people. Thanks for the heads up I won't take the bait again.

[edit on 5-2-2010 by riley]

reply to post by riley

No problem. Once you put that ignore button on, you'll never have to answer a question from that member again. Its pretty liberating actually.

reply to post by FortAnthem


That really doesn't sound so paranoid, it really does sound plausible. I really have no idea at this point what to do, as more information pores in from every direction it's making this confusing but still intriguing and heart-breaking enough for me to not give up.

I have went this far, and as I've stated I will continue trying to figure out what really happened, why it happened, and what I can do to make sure this doesn't happen again to anyone.

I need to tell you all that some weird stuff is going on with my computer. No I'm not being paranoid, I am very well rounded when it comes to computers and I'm finding files running that I cannot track down on my computer, and then pop up when I start/restart my computer. I just restarted, closed everything that I could just so I could get this typed out without it lagging so bad I cannot type. I have no idea what the hell is going on but I don't like it. I just reformatted my computer not long ago, I haven't downloaded anything unsafe, and once again I'll repeat I am very good with computers, networking etc... However I have no idea how to protect myself from some entity like the government.

I'd like to hope that this is coincidental but I really doubt it. I would appreciate anyones advice (U2U me please) on how I may be able to keep my computer as safe as possible right now. I have backed up all my files on many different devices, placed them in different locations and have not told anyone who can be linked to me where these files are. In the case something were to ever happen to me, my work would hopefully not go unfinished. I'm not saying the government is out to get me, I'm just stating this for the record in case something goes array.

Even when I type, for example, letters I don't type are showing up in odd ways (yes I'm not stupid, that can happen for obvious reasons such as some sort of trojin/virus and such but I've already checked for those sort of things), I should probably start keeping track of this stuff, so I'll see what I can do.

Originally posted by ts117
to the OP:
"I do not know as of yet what Darius Hill did OR knew that he shouldn't have, but I want to mention that a friend of mine who dated his step-daughter before I did (and who knew him much better than I) is the one who brought this to my attention..."

So all your testimony is hearsay? And you got the info from your friend and not Hill's step-daughter?

No, not all of my 'testimony' is hearsay. What is this a trial? I am getting info from other people who knew him better than I did, is that the wrong thing to do? Because I thought investigating something meant going in all directions, which is something I believe I stated in an earlier post but maybe I'm crazy...

And I haven't contacted the family yet, what am I supposed to say to them right now? I need to find something concrete before I re-open this subject to them. Although I will have them informed if things seem to be going a bit off.

Has anyone had any hope in finding Darius's profile/username at all? I've still been looking but I really have no idea if there will be a certain way to prove it completely although if I find a profile that I believe without a doubt is his, I will more than happily share it. But think about how many accounts are registered to this site, how many have been inactive since 2008, and how many people like ET's and the Marines... it isn't an easy find. Even with all the info in the world about Darius it would be hard to find his profile. I'm sure a lot of people use false information when making their usernames here, and who knows, their whole profile could be complete bunk, so whose to say his wasn't?

I do know for certain he was an ATS member, if you choose not to believe me that's fine, but I am not lying about this.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


This is from 2008! Why suddenly is it now you have posted this? I subscribe that it is very possible this man was guilty and the agents involved acted on fear for their own safety. The explanation is that after one agent had discharged his weapon the man in question, one Darius Hill shot himself in the throat and that on a bungled reaction the agents discharged their weapons fatally injuring Darius Hill. This is a possibility, as is the idea that there is a conspiracy surrounding these events in any shape or form. You say you knew this person and that they were innocent? What makes you so sure? Do you ever really totally know someone?