FED kills a real life friend (former ATS member & Military Man of 12yrs) - PLEASE help solve this!

Originally posted by menjo2000
CP's are easy marks, the FBI know it's impossible to know if that person actually downloaded CP

Actually, just by checking his ISP records the FBI would know that he was downloading CP, that is probably why they went to his place in the first place

reply to post by dereks


Well yes and no... yes, they can get the info off his computer, but if his computer was hacked, cracked, or used as a zombie, there is literally no way to prove that he did or didn't. Besides, how could stuff get on his computer when it was disassembled or while he was at school at which time his computer was turned off? I mean, when you hear of REAL pedophiles, they have 1000's of images on their computer, not just 10 small vid clips. Even the computer guy thought this was odd, my friend was told that the computer guy found ONLY 10 small vid clips... JUST enough to get a charge. Isn't that in itself a little odd?

reply to post by menjo2000


Damn man, just more proof that the feds are assholes who think it's okay to do whatever they want. And this isn't just the feds, it's the whole government, the elite [tptb] etc...

That is a sad story menjo, however I must say at least your friend is alive (for now). And I'm sorry I say it like that, "for now", but the charges he got even though they are untrue, if they are found out by other inmates he may be looking at an early death due to murder by inmates or even guards... I've never been to state or federal prison but I know how bad jail was (only was there for a month too), and although it's not that bad, it was bad enough considering it was only county. People do get killed in county, fights happen all the time. Lock+sock=bad head injuries or death and I've seen it unfortunately.

I wish the best for your friend, and I hope something positive happens that allows him to get out of these charges.

I am still really upset, obviously, about Darius, but right now it's just a waiting game. I'm stuck at the moment because I have information and some proof but nothing concrete - at least nothing able to prove that the FBI murdered him. Even though the story tells it all, that's not good enough for the public. The public wants to believe the govt. and all the govt. officials are good people... well I admit some are, but many are not. It really makes me sad...

I hate to ask this, because I know people will say I'm just trying to get some attention or something, but can everyone who reads this and understands it's a big issue not just for me but for the world, make a post at least so I can get this on the main page under the 90 day threads?

I'm not asking for stars & flags, like I've said before I could care less about my damn contribution level since I post other information people have liked and have earned what I have so far, but still I don't care about it.

If we get enough posts in this thread it can be on the 90 day thread part on the main page, if you wish to star/flag this thread than great but that is not what I'm asking. I'm asking for replies that's all, and it would be very helpful to keep this thread going for the ongoing investigation.

Thank you in advance, and sorry for having to ask for this but I truly need more help in piecing this all together.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


Yep i'll be glad to keep this thread going i want to see an outcome to this

A couple of observations that I will ask in the form of questions...

1. Was the gun his or was it planted. Felons are not allowed to legally own guns, so there is a good chance it wasn’t his if he was trying to live a good life?

2. Is it normal in a search to take the family to the courthouse and leave the accused in the house?

3. He was one of six in the military conviction, talk to the other five and find out if he really did those things? If they did sell then to whom, also has any of the other guys been killed?

4. How does one shoot themselves and also get shot with a number of other bullets, what is the rarity of that happening?

5. Wouldn’t they read him his rights and handcuff him right away? It seems there was way too much time from when they showed up to his family leaving and to him getting a gun, that he would be under control long before he would have a chance after the first few minutes?

6. Back to the shooting one self… he would need to shoot first then they would then shoot him (which makes zero sense). If they shot first there is no way he would have been able to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger after getting hit by other bullets.

7. One really needs to find out maybe from the judge what was it that convinced him to give the court order. This would have been a investigation over a period of time for it to actually had been a real investigation. What were the facts that led them to the need to search?

8. Was it a mob hit? If the gun thing was real and he hosed them or some other like organization (with FBI on the payroll) that would be willing to buy illegal full auto weapons then it could have been a pay back.

Originally posted by doodles40
reply to post by highlyoriginal

 

Yep i'll be glad to keep this thread going i want to see an outcome to this

Thank you, and please pass this thread on to anyone you may think will be willing to help contribute in any way possible - even if they just wish to post their opinion(s).

Originally posted by Xtrozero
A couple of observations that I will ask in the form of questions...

1. Was the gun his or was it planted. Felons are not allowed to legally own guns, so there is a good chance it wasn’t his if he was trying to live a good life?

This is not a question I can answer, as the only people who will know the true answer are the people who were there - the feds. I will honestly admit I have no idea if he owned a gun at the time of his death, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had one I guess but that is just my assumption do not quote me on this!

2. Is it normal in a search to take the family to the courthouse and leave the accused in the house?

NO! This is a big issue and hole in this story. I could understand the children being taken out to a police/fed vehicle for safety, however the wife is also a house owner in this circumstance meaning she is allowed to stay and watch as the warrant is issued. The family being taken to the police station was unnecessary, unless the feds premeditated the situation which I truly believe they did as many others will agree just from reading the official story, the retractions made, and the holes that are a mile wide.

3. He was one of six in the military conviction, talk to the other five and find out if he really did those things? If they did sell then to whom, also has any of the other guys been killed?

This may be tough to find them however I am going to try and do so. Once again I want to say I really do not want to contact the family, at least the immediate family, as of right now because I'd be bringing up bad memories with no new information as of yet which I can prove. That just would not turn out well what so ever.

4. How does one shoot themselves and also get shot with a number of other bullets, what is the rarity of that happening?

The rarity of that happening? I believe VERY, very rare! It's impossible to shoot yourself in the mouth after being shot many times, especially to the head/face - and if he self inflicted any wounds himself then there would be no reason to shoot him... right? So what the hell HAPPENED?!

5. Wouldn’t they read him his rights and handcuff him right away? It seems there was way too much time from when they showed up to his family leaving and to him getting a gun, that he would be under control long before he would have a chance after the first few minutes?

Read him his rights? HA! You watch too many movies. The feds do what they please, and because they are the damn feds their word is worth as much as gold is worth to the elite - meaning higher than anyone else's word especially the accused.

6. Back to the shooting one self… he would need to shoot first then they would then shoot him (which makes zero sense). If they shot first there is no way he would have been able to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger after getting hit by other bullets.

Once again, I think you get the point after typing out the above question...

7. One really needs to find out maybe from the judge what was it that convinced him to give the court order. This would have been a investigation over a period of time for it to actually had been a real investigation. What were the facts that led them to the need to search?

I'm sure the judge was paid off, is retired by now, and even if he/she is still working do you really think they are going to talk to me about this situation? Even if he/she does talk to me, they will give me the same crap spewed in the media. However it may be worth asking to record the convo if one is allowed, and see if I can find some discrepancies between the official story and the one I get from the judge. But federal judges aren't easy to get too, let alone get an appointment with. I'd more than likely have to lie about why I'm seeing him/her to even set foot in their office.

8. Was it a mob hit? If the gun thing was real and he hosed them or some other like organization (with FBI on the payroll) that would be willing to buy illegal full auto weapons then it could have been a pay back.

I doubt it was anything like this, although I guess nothing can be ruled out... either way though the feds killed/murdered/executed Darius. Who hired them, who told them what to do, how to do it, whatever is not the first problem we need to figure out. Although it would be great to have this knowledge it would more than likely be something found out later down the road (if found out and able to be proven at all).

[edit on 17-2-2010 by highlyoriginal]

reply to post by highlyoriginal


The only direction I see in this to get answers is also most likely the hardest. We are all now use to just Googling our info, but in this case it will be a much harder endeavor of hunting people down and interviewing them to some degree, also doing hard research by whatever means are available.

Maybe a private detective agency could turn up info much faster, since they have their ways to do things.

Originally posted by Xtrozero


Maybe a private detective agency could turn up info much faster,

Or contact the investigator the family hired. His name and location were in the links of my previous post.

[edit on 2/17/10 by makeitso]

reply to post by highlyoriginal




1.Explain the 6 bullet wounds, including the ones to the mouth (considering the FBI admits to shooting him, how did he commit suicide then?)
He didnt die immediately from the wounds inflicted during the gun battle
2.Explain why Darius worked out on a treadmill before supposidly 'commiting suicide' because like I said who the hell works out then kills themself?

He had no intention of killing himself.

3.Explain how no gun shots were heard before the Fed's came in with the warrent, nor any were heard before the family left, meaning that something went down AFTER the family was taken to the police station

He was cooperative to a point. Then gunfire was exchanged , and when the coroner got there and saw the devistation of the wound to the face, they assumed that bullet caused death, but in a situation such as this the deceased talked with the agents for a bit, didnt like what they had to say and pulled a gun, tried to get off a shot, got hit a few times and said "you wont take me alive"

4.Explain why the Fed's retracted their original cause of death? They were there, wouldn't they know what happened? *cough* cover up *cough*

Because authorities had to document the exact cause of death, which bullet wound for the paperwork. Just a screw up.

5.And... yeah I could keep going but you get the point.


Maybe I read it wrong.


[edit on 17-2-2010 by psyko45]

It all sound like a Fed cover for murdering this poor soul.. However would like to mention that it is very possible to shoot yourself and survive it. A man once shot himself and the bullet bounced off his skull exiting after tearing through his jaw bone.. They had to put him on the guilitine with his head up to properly kill him.. He had opened his mouth and fired.
I know this seems bad and the pain probably excruciating but it is possible.Half way out of his head with pain he might have pointed at the agents..
I do not beleive this is what actually happened. But why leave a door closed. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the wrong one...But sometimes it is the right one.

Ok after reading every thread here for the last 4 hours what if...

We already know his real name so any attempt of ill things by obtaining that is out the window. BUT, what if this guy posted something in a thread or in his account that he wasn't supposed to? Or perhaps one his friends in his list is someone of interest to the FBI, NCIS, DIA, BATF or ?

I hope this isn't but if he stole something he wasn't supposed to then placed an encrypted messege in his ATS thread or account like oh I don't know, a nuclear based device then that would prompt some inquirys into what his account name was.

Would not be hard to do and what better way than to hide it in plain site?

Hi-just want to tell you 'thanks' for your bravery. I will read every post, because this is where the enablers are outed from the real humans. I am sorry to have heard of your friends death, as well we all should be. For those who sit there and invoke the 'Patriot Act' - really, it's the oldest trick in the book to dress up evil with terms that sound noble. There is nothing patriotic about it. Free people don't need to be told they are free. Our nation has been captured by people with a world agenda. The first thing they did was to redefine what our Country is, thereby making patriots into traitors, and traitors into patriots. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves for defending an obvious zionist stunt.

Every 28 years, on the average, jews are kicked out from a country, and they know this, and they know why. All that this nwo crap represents is a plot to make it so it's THEIR world, and now they can do the kicking. Using technology so profound that I am afraid to close my eyes at night, they are succeeding. Personally, I'd rather that I had been brought up speaking German. Right here, in the defeated USA.

[edit on 18-2-2010 by davidmann]

reply to post by superluminal11


In response to your mentioning child porn as a 'boogeyman'

Let me relate an auction site experience I stumbled upon. I came across a seller whose only item was the unabridged complete 'girls gone wild', you know, the one put out by Joe Francis the jew millionaire. The price was $15 plus $24 for S & H. The seller had about 7 feedbacks on over 700 transactions, which interested me, so I delved further. 7 positives, and a big red 1. Here's what the neg had to say: Never received item, total fraud!

Well, the seller had given a FB in return, saying: Sicko asked me for child porn. Reported to Feds! Block him!

Here's what was going on. The seller used the first person who complained about never getting the item as an example, lest anyone else dare to complain. And it worked. As such, this crook got close to $14,000 in shipping fees, unrefundable, as the items were uninsured, and as paypal was full of holes back then. NOBODY else, after seeing that feedback trick, nobody DARED risk having that same monniker hung around their neck. Therefore NO ONE made a claim, once that slanderous feedback had been viewed. And the buyer? The geniuses at feebay left him twisting in the wind for weeks, until the law got involved, therefore completely honoring the scammer's word.

No, I was not involved in the above example.

To frame someone as the OP is suggesting is entirely possible, and plausible. How many of us actually know what is inside our computers? We don't. Anyone can upload a ton of things that we'd never suspect, and don't think for a minute that the Feds haven't worked with this to further the hideous ambitions of their masters, who hold the keys to anyone's future, that is, anyone whose future matters to them.

This doesn't mean that the 'suspect' is clean, of course. I am just pointing out the absolute taboo that kiddie porn is in society, and how it can be falsified on a dime, if it serves an agenda. Nobody runs around telling their neighbors, friends etc., that they are in to 'kiddies'. For anyone to say 'oh well some sicko got outed' is indeed thoughtless and says volumes about the person making this assumption. We don't need these shallow minded enablers making it easier for tptb any more powerful. Do we?

I don't weep for the future. I used up all moisture in my flesh by vomiting about the recent past. 'Patriot Act' indeed. Wake up!

reply to post by psyko45


Yeah I think you read everything wrong here a bit...

The answers you supplied to the answers I supplied, which were within your post, were just your ramblings. You can say the same thing about what I have been saying, sure, but the fact of the matter is that I know the truth, and you do not.

Go ahead and say I can't prove it, a handful of people have already given me crap about this already within this thread, but once you read the official story(ies) regarding this incident with Darius and his murder you should figure out for yourself this was a cover up and nothing less than that.

I urge you all to keep posting, asking questions, and researching. It is much appreciated.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


Whoa Nelly.. Slow down on the finger pointing No claims wer made as to the fact that I was either smart or an effective communicator. I just saw a thread asking for help, I figured thats all I needed, I tried to help, and due to my obvious incompetency I failed. My apologies if my attempted assistance caused obstacles in your investigation. Though if you need help in the future and are in need of an ignorant 'rambling' person, let me know.

p.s
Thats why Im on ATS,,learning to recognize my ignorance and eliminate it.

Sincerely
Psyko45



[edit on 18-2-2010 by psyko45]

reply to post by psyko45


I'm not pointing any fingers - other than at the feds and the government. The statements you made seemed uneducated (as in you didn't even bother to check out the whole thread or even the full OP), that's why I said what I did.

I appreciate anyone trying to help, I really do. And I hope to see people continue posting, asking questions, researching and flagging this thread to keep it alive (like I've said before).

* Feds find information linking this guy's computer to the downloading of child porn
* Feds effect a no-knock warrant to seize the computer allegedly containing child porn
* Guy has a "Chris Hansen - Why don't you take a seat" moment, freaks out, and pulls a gun on himself to kill himself
* Feds see a guy with a gun, and as the guy shoots himself, they react to the gunshot and shoot him some more

That seems a lot more likely than the conspiracies being floated around here.

reply to post by Xtrozero


A couple of observations that I will ask in the form of questions...

1. Was the gun his or was it planted. Felons are not allowed to legally own guns, so there is a good chance it wasn’t his if he was trying to live a good life?

The guns were registered to another family member (Darius Hills father if I remember correctly), but they were in his [Darius'] possession (which is still against the law). The weapon that Mr. Hill used on himself was a Glock Semi-Automatic Pistol. By his wife's own admission he kept "several guns - hunting rifles, and a handgun - in his home.

2. Is it normal in a search to take the family to the courthouse and leave the accused in the house?

In this situation it seems the circumstances made it necessary to evacuate the house. The situation appears to have been treated as a "barricaded suspect" situation. Refer to my previous posts for more info.

Keep in mind that it was a Hilltown officer who took the wife, and daughters to the court house, NOT a federal agent.

3. He was one of six in the military conviction, talk to the other five and find out if he really did those things? If they did sell then to whom, also has any of the other guys been killed?


4. How does one shoot themselves and also get shot with a number of other bullets, what is the rarity of that happening?

I can't provide specific references, but I've heard of it ACTUALLY happening in the past. I've SEEN it happen personally in training scenarios(barricaded suspect w/ hostages).

5. Wouldn’t they read him his rights and handcuff him right away? It seems there was way too much time from when they showed up to his family leaving and to him getting a gun, that he would be under control long before he would have a chance after the first few minutes?

The short answer is NO to handcuffing, and NO to rights advice.

They were not effecting an arrest at the time, and detaining him for officer safety is left up to officer's discretion. Handcuffed or not, right's advice wouldn't be needed either, unless he was being questioned.

6. Back to the shooting one self… he would need to shoot first then they would then shoot him (which makes zero sense). If they shot first there is no way he would have been able to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger after getting hit by other bullets.

This is basically question #4 again, see that answer.

7. One really needs to find out maybe from the judge what was it that convinced him to give the court order. This would have been a investigation over a period of time for it to actually had been a real investigation. What were the facts that led them to the need to search?

Below is various snippets from the links in this thread. More info can be found, just do some clicking around...

Steven Gamvroulas, an agent in the Utah Attorney General's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, said he'd received about 700 pieces of child pornography by e-mail from Hill specifically.

Gamvroulas, an agent assigned to Utah's Internet Crimes Against Children task force, said he first received child porn from Hill's computer while working online under the profile of a cooperating child pornographer.

"It was over a period of eight months, just on and off," Gamvroulas said. "He could send me a bunch of images at one time and then I wouldn't talk to him again for months."

Through a series of subpoenas on Web-site hosts and Internet providers, Gamvroulas said, he identified the sender's address as Hill's home. He said he had no evidence that Hill was producing the images, only that someone in his house was obtaining and distributing them.

In Hill's case, the FBI obtained a search warrant late Friday afternoon in Philadelphia from U.S. Magistrate Carol Sandra Moore Wells.

"If I had gotten information from an agency that was similar to what I had provided them," Gamvroulas said, "there is no doubt I would have gone with a search warrant. The evidence was so good, so convincing."

8. Was it a mob hit? If the gun thing was real and he hosed them or some other like organization (with FBI on the payroll) that would be willing to buy illegal full auto weapons then it could have been a pay back.

You're free to think what you like.

Originally posted by davesidious
* Feds find information linking this guy's computer to the downloading of child porn
* Feds effect a no-knock warrant to seize the computer allegedly containing child porn
* Guy has a "Chris Hansen - Why don't you take a seat" moment, freaks out, and pulls a gun on himself to kill himself
* Feds see a guy with a gun, and as the guy shoots himself, they react to the gunshot and shoot him some more

That seems a lot more likely than the conspiracies being floated around here.

You're giving the OP no thought and giving the most simple answer(s) to everything possible. I'm surprised you got stars for what you even said. Once again how can you read everything within this thread, the info in the official story (which is bull#), the information I've been able to provide, and so on... and think that this was just some normal investigation?

The story provided about Darius is not something of the norm. This stuff DOES happen yes, but in this case, specifically this case, this man was not into child porn whether I can prove it to your or not doesn't matter because the feds NEVER proved it what so ever. It was their word, nothing more. So when you can find evidence linking him to the child porn you let me know, which wont happen.