FED kills a real life friend (former ATS member & Military Man of 12yrs) - PLEASE help solve this!

Okay, I have specifically not read any other members' posts for a logical reason. I didn't want anything clouding my perspective. So, if I have done repeats of other people's work, then I apologize.

1st and foremost-The child pornography allegation has probably been used to completely discredit him to the general public. I don't know this man or what he's capable of, but, I've seen this tactic before. (Waco, Texas) And whatever steps that they take will be considered for the "public good" considering the sensitivity of their allegations. These allegations could easily be an ALL OUT LIE, as it was in the case of the Branch Davidians. Another correlation to the Branch Davidians' situation is weapons sales.

2nd, He was apparently into weapons and had a former military record. As a sergeant, I doubt that he was privy to very much sensitive information, however, he may have inadvertently discovered sensitive material on one of his missions.

3rd, the fact that he was killed and shot multiple times after he had attempted "suicide" seems to be very suspicious. The Feds have been known to kill and cover up evidence. Actually, law enforcement seems to be running rampant with more and more cases like these. Their initial story was evidently B.S. because they stated that he had died from a single gunshot wound to the head. Obviously there is something very out of the ordinary with this.

This statement from the explanation does not sit well with me at all:

Steven Gamvroulas, an agent in the Utah Attorney General's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, said he'd received about 700 pieces of child pornography by e-mail from Hill specifically.

Why would Hill be sending out 700 pieces of child pornography to the Utah's Attorney General's office especially when he knows the ramifications of even having it on his computer??? It sounds like Hill was a part of a greater investigation in which he was helping Steven Gamvroulas amass evidence on a child porn ring. Something went foul here...Hill might have come across sensitive information about a politician, or someone high up, and instead of arresting the politician, they turned Hill into the patsy.

Then we have the next line:

As an undercover agent, Gamvroulas joined a network that shared such images, and said he was just one member of many receiving the e-mails. Hill was not suspected of producing the pornography, Gamvroulas said.

With this in mind, there was obviously a network that was under investigation, however, if they knew they had a person who had multiple pornographic images that involved children, why would they wait until the moment that they did in order to enact??? And, if they knew he wasn't producing it, where is their motive for his arrest? Remember, this is supposedly a child porn ring. With over 700 images on Hill's computer in which much of it was "shared," this would imply that there was previous knowledge of who was actively participating in this supposed "ring." Why would they go for the guy who had the images as opposed to going for the person who was manufacturing them?...According to this last quote, they KNEW that he was not producing it, therefore, more question marks begin to fly around. Something stinks to high heaven, and it would appear that someone is being protected.

Here's another piece of the puzzle that seems a bit out of the ordinary.

Agents told Rebecca Hill they had a search warrant, but wouldn't say what they were looking for, and pushed past her into the house. When they realized her husband was home, they went upstairs to the bedroom. Rebecca Hill heard voices, but not any shots.

This is not standard operating procedure. Unless they considered him an enemy combatant, they still need to follow proper procedures for entering the home of an American citizen/civilian. Although they stated that they had a search warrant, they cannot simply push past the owner of the home. They have to present identification, request permission (although they can do it without consent because of the warrant) and then continue following procedures. Also, why would they not tell Rebecca Hill what they were looking for? If anything, this would be necessary given the idea that Rebecca could have aided the investigators' cause if she was aware of any dubious activities that her husband was involved with. There have been many occasions where a loved one has helped investigators amass important information that would lead to an easy arrest and ascertain important evidence for their case.

I don't think that they had any intention of letting Hill live through this. He probably knew far too much and it was a liability to have him breathing.

You also stated that this may be related to ET's??? Could you give me a reason why this may be a possibility??? Did he speak to you about any sensitive information that would have somehow lead to this situation??? And if so, what was the nature of his beliefs??? If you need to, you can send me a U2U explaining this.



[edit on 5-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by cjcord


I have a feeling that this Alyssa may be one of his children maybe?

look what she says here in "point nr 3":

Point number one : I'm 17 years old, I can use whatever speaking terms I feel the need to use, ignorant or not.

Point number two : You calling them [FBI] names is as bad as me saying things from a "violent mindset" point of view.

Point number three : Maybe I will go work for them, then I can watch as they shoot more of my family members instead of hearing about it on the internet.

that link was a nice find

reply to post by riley


It won't help demonstrate whether he was actually assassinated (against all logic), or simply a child pornographer caught out and shot while attempting to commit suicide in front of armed FBI agents.

Originally posted by Nventual
I don't mean any disrespect but why are you implying that this is related to anything other than what the official story is? Sure, he may not have seemed suicidal, but faced with the realization that he was going to spend a long time behind bars perhaps he took it upon himself to take the quicker way out. People in prison for child related offenses, whether virtual images or physical abuse, aren't taken upon too kindly in prison.

So did he actually have child pornography on his computer? Did he own a gun? Is the case still on-going? It seems like a pretty serious incident especially with the special task forces investigating it and I'd be careful posting about it on the Internet.

If you are suggesting that he was 'silenced' because of something he did while in the military or because of knowledge he had, which I'm assuming you are hence why you mention he was an ATS member (which hasn't been proven), why would feds kill him in his own home with a warrant? Why wouldn't they kidnap him while he's going to / coming home from work and take him out quietly?

[edit on 4/2/10 by Nventual]

I mean no disrespect here Nventual, but, I believe that you're not attempting to think critically. With a government that has been busted repeatedly for falsifying information, ripping off its taxpayers, creating false flags (we'll leave 911 out of this), supplying arms to warlords (Sadaam Hussein, mujahideen, Iran Contra Affairs), lying about billion dollar bailout deals that are destroying the economy, creating false wars (Iraq), rigging elections(2000), torturing enemy combatants and then re-working the Geneva conventions to make it legal, I'm not sure where you get your inherent trust to believe "official stories" when there are clearly a high amount of inconsistencies,... especially in this one.

Our law enforcement, whether it be the local departments such as sheriffs, FBI, CIA, DEA or a million others have been under scrutiny for a million different offenses that range from planting information all the way to police brutality and torture. How is it you have such a positive outlook on their motives?

If you cannot recognize when something stinks and is clearly inconsistent, you might be in for a rude awakening if something like this were ever to happen to you or a loved one. This was not standard operating procedure for law enforcement...plain and simple. I've actually seen evidence where people who have worked for the government have been shot in the back and then ruled a suicide. This is nothing short of that.

[edit on 5-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by GypsK


i am absolutely convinced Alyssa is his daughter, and she ain't happy with dear ole departed dad.


According to her, she has a 15 year old brother, who never got to know Darius. When her brother asked to go and stay with Darius, Darius allegedly told their mother that he didn't want his son with him.

Also, according to Alyssa, the story she was told is that Darius barricaded himself in the room when the FBI came, when they gained entrance, he swung a gun around, then went to shoot himself- and yes, in all scenarios, waving a gun at a cop or fed agent will get you shot.

Apparently Alyssa states that they shot him in the chest, then he shot himself in the neck/jaw area. Not that he shot himself on purpose, mind you. It could be possible being shot in the chest may make someone reflexively flail, and with a loaded gun, it's very possible he shot himself accidently, but anyway-- when gunfire came from Darius, the FBI returned fire. 4 shots hit him, and the chest and neck/jaw shot were the fatal ones.


Now that's just what his daughter is saying, and she seems to think he was guilty will all of his prior offenses.

It is very possible that a daughter who feels abandoned by her dad might be pissed, and willing to vilify him- I cannot know for sure. But that's her story, and to be completely honest- it rings true for me.

I don't think this is a conspiracy.


i think he knew he was cornered, and waved a gun around in a room full of feds, and died because of it. I agree with posters stating that if the FBI wanted him dead, they would never be connected to it. There would be no need for them to investigate or confess what happened at all.

It's a tragic story, but not a conspiratorial one.

Originally posted by m khan
IMHO, the reason for his murder probably has to do with the gun smuggling carried out by the govt after the first Iraq war. If you look into the Waco massacre there is a tie there into possible distribution of unregistered guns to street gangs as some planned federal program for gun confiscation of the public by the street gangs. He probably knew too much.


[edit on 4-2-2010 by m khan]

I find it interesting that another member was able to link the Branch Davidian scenario to this one. However, I think it goes much deeper than the gun smuggling and arms dealing excuse.

Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by riley

 

It won't help demonstrate whether he was actually assassinated (against all logic), or simply a child pornographer caught out and shot while attempting to commit suicide in front of armed FBI agents.

What? I was talking about trying to figure out who he was.. which is what she asked. If it turns out his last post was about finding a secret base full of alien human hybrids soldiers making runners for nike then yeah it probably would answer that question.

I personally have no idea if he was looking at child porn.. but realistically if someone wants to kill themselves in front of FBI agents all they'd need to do is point a gun at them. In most cases I've heared of "suicide by police" they do not give the person a chance to shoot at all let alone themselves. If he shot himself before they opened fire.. were they shooting into a lifeless body? That doesn't make sense either..

Originally posted by cjcord
reply to post by GypsK

Also, according to Alyssa, the story she was told is that Darius barricaded himself in the room when the FBI came, when they gained entrance, he swung a gun around, then went to shoot himself- and yes, in all scenarios, waving a gun at a cop or fed agent will get you shot.

How would Alyssa know??? She wasn't there.

Apparently Alyssa states that they shot him in the chest, then he shot himself in the neck/jaw area. Not that he shot himself on purpose, mind you. It could be possible being shot in the chest may make someone reflexively flail, and with a loaded gun, it's very possible he shot himself accidently, but anyway-- when gunfire came from Darius, the FBI returned fire. 4 shots hit him, and the chest and neck/jaw shot were the fatal ones.

Again, how would Alyssa know??? The "official story" was that he died of a single gun shot wound to the head.

It is very possible that a daughter who feels abandoned by her dad might be pissed, and willing to vilify him- I cannot know for sure. But that's her story, and to be completely honest- it rings true for me.

So, it rings true for you that someone who is already disgruntled and has a grudge held against her father is willing to accept an official story that first stated that her father was only shot once??? And you see no conspiracy in this??? First and foremost...This comes from a guy (me) who has dated so many women that I cannot count. (I am not attempting to brag, I am making a point) I HAVE NEVER DATED A WOMAN THAT DIDN'T HAVE DADDY ISSUES. Somewhere down the line, all girls want to rebel against their father for a multitude of reasons, and its rare to date a girl that doesn't have something negative to say about their patriarch.

i think he knew he was cornered, and waved a gun around in a room full of feds, and died because of it. I agree with posters stating that if the FBI wanted him dead, they would never be connected to it. There would be no need for them to investigate or confess what happened at all.

Sure, but explain how he shot himself in the mouth and then had 6 more bullets pumped into him after the fact???

It's a tragic story, but not a conspiratorial one.

Oh...I highly disagree with your last assessment. Let's see. There's a child porn ring in which the feds didn't arrest this man after he had supposedly sent an email with over 700 child porn images to the director. Then he had a history of dealing illegal arms while being a sergeant in the marine corps. After of which, he was murdered and the "official story" claimed that he simply died of a single gun shot wound even though there were multiple. Either the coroner was simply a complete idiot, or the feds were lying through their teeth. I think that you may be turning a blind eye to a situation that either has you perplexed, or simply too dumbfounded to critically think about the details. And, that last sentence WAS NOT an insult at all. I am not calling you ignorant, stupid, or anything else. I think you need to look at the details just a little more before making an assessment.


[edit on 5-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

reply to post by riley

Riley, you're defending yourself against a guy who will not relent on his ignorance. If I were you, I'd use the ignore button and continue your direction. Otherwise you'll have to constantly answer a multitude of silly questions that will ultimately take you off topic and screw up any possibility that you have of helping the OP.

This isn't about arguing your position, it is about providing as much intelligent information to the OP as possible. As soon as you engage with this other member, you will be derailed in your attempts to provide useful, intelligent, and well though out information.

I've dealt with this member before, and trust me, it is a complete waste of your time.



And just so you know, I have never had to put another member on ignore before. So far, he's the one and only person that I've had to silence due to his inability to adequately look at, discern and argue his opinion with the information that is provided. I believe that I'm saving you tons of time and effort by posing the ignore button as an option.

[edit on 5-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by NEWclearMind
Update, and you can quote me later if you want.

You are a liar OP

proof: you barely know the guy, but yet he talks about shaven beavers with you and tells you how the military screwed him over? It's funny, his. Co-workers never had any inkling that he had past militry problems, especially dishonorable discharge. But, you, you are privy to all of this? It doesn't add up.

And lastly, you are more concerned about people calling you a liar than you are about helping out the dead stepfather of a chick you and your homeboy used to hump. You fail.

I guess you haven't read all my posts... I said I have a friend who was closer to him than I who I've been getting info from that I do not know about, which is how I knew those things.

Call me a liar all you want, but I'm not. I'm not going to get angry at anyone, I know what happened is true, I know I'm not lying and that's good enough for me.

Just because some idiots on a message board think I'm lying really means nothing to me and wont stop me from seeking the truth. You have no idea who I am, which can make you think bad of me, or good or me. Either way, you still have no proof to show that I am lying, you're just assuming things. Period.

reply to post by highlyoriginal

Just because some idiots on a message board think I'm lying really means nothing to me

This seems to contradict your very public request for help in this matter. I'm sure you braced yourself for the naysayers.

Originally posted by NEWclearMind
Update, and you can quote me later if you want.

You are a liar OP

proof: you barely know the guy, but yet he talks about shaven beavers with you and tells you how the military screwed him over? It's funny, his. Co-workers never had any inkling that he had past militry problems, especially dishonorable discharge. But, you, you are privy to all of this? It doesn't add up.

And lastly, you are more concerned about people calling you a liar than you are about helping out the dead stepfather of a chick you and your homeboy used to hump. You fail.

This is a really disgusting statement. Whether you believe that the OP knows the focus (Hill) of this thread or not is irrelevant. I would highly doubt that they would create a thread about such a topic if they didn't have personal interested vested, otherwise, why would the OP waste their time. Your statement tells more about your character than an entire autobiography or an obituary. A man has died, and people want to help the OP find out why. End of story.

And why wouldn't the OP focus on refuting such a statement full of B.S., hatred, and ignorance if they are trying to get to the bottom of the issue? I don't think that the OP needs to establish their credibility on this issue whatsoever. A man was murdered. Whether or not the OP is related or has an affiliation with this Hill guy is not even the issue, although you seem to be determined to make it that way. The point of the thread is about the case, not the OP, and you're getting off topic. The fact is, the OP shouldn't have to address statements like this at all if the mods were on top of their game and I've already hit the alert button on you.

Don't derail this thread, and quit making personal attacks.

[edit on 5-2-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
If I may play Devil's Advocate for 1 moment here. I have a couple of things I wanna know......

1. O.P. - Not to be rude, and no disrespect intended, but why is it so important that you find out IF/WHO this bloke was on here???? Why is it so urgent that you find out who he was on here????

2. Does anyone here know for a FACT that this guy wasn't into Child Pornography???? There are plenty of cases out there where the most normal people are found to be paedophiles. Look what happened in Germany (I think it was Germany), where the father was found to have been molesting his OWN DAUGHTER for 20 odd years, and he had had several children with her. Even his OWN wife claimed not to have known about it.

1) It's important to find out who he is on here because then I can see the posts/threads he made and try and see if it hints towards anything. When you investigate something you follow every avenue you can.

2) I can't prove he wasn't into child pornography, but where is the proof he was? Did the FBI ever prove it? No.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
You also stated that this may be related to ET's??? Could you give me a reason why this may be a possibility??? Did he speak to you about any sensitive information that would have somehow lead to this situation??? And if so, what was the nature of his beliefs??? If you need to, you can send me a U2U explaining this.

He spoke about ET's very little to me, but much about them to my friend who was much closer to Darius, I asked for more info on this but my friend, Chad, said that Darius always held back information when it got down to details... he told me Darius would never reveal everything for some reason and he didn't know why. He never said where he got his info, I don't know if he used ATS to get his info but I don't believe he did because when he talked about ET's and stuff he never mentioned ATS. ATS was a separate conversation.

Originally posted by I.C. Weiner
this thread is a violation of t&c, but of course nobody pays attention to it until i post....mods, review this thread, consult ur t&c and remove it.....

Why is this thread a violation of T&C? Because you don't like it? Why are you posting on it then, and why haven't you gone to a thread that isn't in violation??? It seems to me that you are actively participating and contributing in a thread that you don't agree with...so,...wouldn't that make you in violation as well?

Originally posted by NEWclearMind


3 months later, I decided to get out instead of stay in. Within a week, there were charges brought up against me for " failure to take a urinalysis". Wait for it..... Wait for it..... They dropped the charges!!! Not because I was innocent, but because my department head said that I was the best worker he had. Go figure.

If anything sounds like a lie, its this whole story that you just posted on this board which has nothing at all to do with the thread.

I call it as I see it.

Evolved Ministry, I believe you did well. I would be surprised if you are not right about your guesses.

The thing that does it for me here is that the FBI took the family away. I can't imagine that they would drive the family to the station unless they knew that things would get really dirty.

And how convenient is it that the moment they arrived just happened to be the moment that he was alone upstairs? That could have gone VERY differently.

I agree that the story does not make sense, but alas... I haven't the slightest.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


I really don't have time today to post this but I just had to throw it out there and I'll try to come back later to this post and add to it. It may be a bit of a stretch, but I'll try.
Rumsfeld was trying to audit DoD when all of a sudden, 9/11/01. If it were an inside job and bombs were used, fuses would have had to be used as well.
Like I said, this is a stretch, but suppose this Hill guy, like good ole Mr. North, was "just doing his job" and hit the ammo dump for this 'covert' military mission (9/11/01), and he finds out info from outside his compartment that he wasn't suppose to know. The first court martial could have been the way they shut him up. The murder was because it didn't hold.
Now I'm not saying this guy knew or participated in the events of 9/11/01, but you put marines, munitions and 1990's together and it always spells inside job to me. Also, the marines do all of our country's dirty work. It could have been anything from Korea to current ops that this topic affects.
Hope that helps.

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
Evolved Ministry, I believe you did well. I would be surprised if you are not right about your guesses.

The thing that does it for me here is that the FBI took the family away. I can't imagine that they would drive the family to the station unless they knew that things would get really dirty.

And how convenient is it that the moment they arrived just happened to be the moment that he was alone upstairs? That could have gone VERY differently.

I agree that the story does not make sense, but alas... I haven't the slightest.

Thank you for your reply and consideration. This whole scenario is loaded with smoke and mirrors and I think your observation about the family being removed for dubious purposes has much merit.

I'm still trying to make a few more speculations with the information that has been given.

Originally posted by cjcord
reply to post by GypsK

 

i am absolutely convinced Alyssa is his daughter, and she ain't happy with dear ole departed dad.


According to her, she has a 15 year old brother, who never got to know Darius. When her brother asked to go and stay with Darius, Darius allegedly told their mother that he didn't want his son with him.

Also, according to Alyssa, the story she was told is that Darius barricaded himself in the room when the FBI came, when they gained entrance, he swung a gun around, then went to shoot himself- and yes, in all scenarios, waving a gun at a cop or fed agent will get you shot.

Apparently Alyssa states that they shot him in the chest, then he shot himself in the neck/jaw area. Not that he shot himself on purpose, mind you. It could be possible being shot in the chest may make someone reflexively flail, and with a loaded gun, it's very possible he shot himself accidently, but anyway-- when gunfire came from Darius, the FBI returned fire. 4 shots hit him, and the chest and neck/jaw shot were the fatal ones.


Now that's just what his daughter is saying, and she seems to think he was guilty will all of his prior offenses.

It is very possible that a daughter who feels abandoned by her dad might be pissed, and willing to vilify him- I cannot know for sure. But that's her story, and to be completely honest- it rings true for me.

I don't think this is a conspiracy.


i think he knew he was cornered, and waved a gun around in a room full of feds, and died because of it. I agree with posters stating that if the FBI wanted him dead, they would never be connected to it. There would be no need for them to investigate or confess what happened at all.

It's a tragic story, but not a conspiratorial one.

Hill's daughters were 5 and 3 at the time of their dad's death in 2008. What 5 yr old would write what you are saying? Also why does a 5 yr old have a 15 yr old for a friend? Just curious what story you were reading. www.google.com...=en&q=Darius+T.+Hill+Marine+Death+&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=c26c79a56c95bda8

The offense was in the 1990's www.wral.com...

And Long Fuse Ops in 1997 www.defense.gov...

And he died in 2008. His girls were 5 and 3 so which is old enough now to do what you are saying? I'll add it up for you - one would be 7 and the other 5. DUH!
I had some good leads here, but there's a storm on the East Coast right now and all news servers on this topic are down so all I can do for you is offer you their reading when they come back up
www.google.com...=en&q=darius+hill+killed+by+Fbi&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=c26c79a56c95bda8

[edit on 2/5/2010 by l neXus l]