FED kills a real life friend (former ATS member & Military Man of 12yrs) - PLEASE help solve this!

The most simple answers honestly make the most sense in this situation...

To be 100% honest, I believe you're trying to make something out of absolutely nothing. In the process you're making a HUGE allegation that the federal gov't murdered a citizen.

You base this theory off the mere facts that:

1)Darius Hill was a marine...

2)A friend mentioned he spoke about Aliens, UFOs, etc, and he had an ATS account.

THEREFORE he must have known about something about ET's the gov't didn't want him to know and they simply "took him out" Hollywood style.

Darius Hill is/was not the only ATS member to be a UFO/E.T. enthusiast with military experience! There are MANY others on this board (including myself), who are prior service, reservist, or active duty members that contribute to those discussions.

Moving on...

You keep on calling the "official story" BS... perhaps I missed it, so if that's the case please link me to it. I have yet to see an official publication yet...

-The official story is the Investigation Report put out by those that investigated the shooting.
-The official story is the seizure record, and chain of custody tags.
-The official story is in the logs.

Up until now I've seen nothing but links to outdated local news articles, old posts on message boards, and blog articles. None of these are "the official story". As I mentioned earlier, perhaps I missed it? If that's the case, please link me to it, I'd love to read it.

[edited to fix typo]

[edit on 2/20/10 by microcosm]

reply to post by highlyoriginal


The FBI was able to prove to an actual legal standard "using articulable facts that criminal activity was happening."

The "articulable facts" = 700 unique pieces of child pornography obtained from Mr. Hill...
The "criminal activity" = storing child porn, or something to that degree. I'm not sure what the actual law he broke was, since I don't deal with these laws... however being that it's federal, it'd be in the US Codes. I'd like to look into it further but law.cornell.edu is down

Given the totality of the situation, probable cause would not be hard to come by, and a search would be lawful.

Highly original, you're thinking that the FBI needs to prove to a higher legal standard that he was into child porn, however the proof that the FBI offered was enough to conduct an investigation, and eventually search, and seize his property.

If Mr. Hills lawyer walked into the court room, and used your approach ("I don't have to prove he was not into child porn, because the FBI never fully proved it") he'd be laughed out of the court room, and then be crushed by the gods of reason, and prudence.

[edit on 2/20/10 by microcosm]

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by menjo2000
CP's are easy marks, the FBI know it's impossible to know if that person actually downloaded CP

Actually, just by checking his ISP records the FBI would know that he was downloading CP, that is probably why they went to his place in the first place

Actually, you have no idea how an ISP really works. Most child porn users are caught in what is referred to as honeypots. These are traps laid out by the FBI/CSIS/Interpol to catch child porn dirtbags.

Your ISP cannot tell where you have visited, what you have looked at without actually putting a filter on your line to tap that information. Now, to put a filter on your line without a warrant, is wiretapping. Your ISP would not commit a federal crime without authority from the courts. To have that authority they need a ...warrant.

Now even if CP is found on your machine, with the prevalence of zombies, trojans and exploits you may still be innocent of the crime. To convict you, you must qualify three points. 1) Care , 2) Consent , 3) Control. If they fail to prove any of these points, or fail to prove that it is indeed child porn on your computer, (she looked 18 to me) then you cannot be convicted. Simply owning the computer isn't enough to convict you...well, not in real life.

So to put this straight, the FBI claims they found 700 images on his machine after obtaining a warrant based on ......something...... they go to his house..he's just off the treadmill, they don't confine nor handcuff him (convicted ex felon with military training), send his family away, then a gun battle ensues. In his haste to kill himself the suspect shoots himself in the mouth..and is subsequently shot 6 times by agents fearing for their safety?

Were these 1st year FBI agents without supervision? The very first thing that ANY police agent does is secure the suspect. In EVERY CASE, with EVERY warrant where the suspect is present.

Say, anyone know how many images fit on a usb stick?...I'm thinking about 700 + some video...

Lastly, as child pornography is such a heinous crime, simply being accused of it presents a stigma that can ruin your life and that of your family. As such it is the perfect medium to ostracize an individual from the community. In every case we as the public should take note that in our society he is INNOCENT until proven guilty. Not just because the FBI says it's so. There is no doubt in my mind that this person was killed for a reason, and it certainly wasn't child porn.

..Ex

reply to post by microcosm


The official reports aren't really easy to find at this point - the articles in the OP are what the official story is. And if you don't see the holes in it then I don't know what to tell you, you obviously have nothing to offer Darius, myself or this thread if you can't think outside the box.

Read the post below yours, and maybe you'll see how others are understanding this thread.

I have yet to get a reply in the mail from the Marines or the CIA.

Don't they have to at least send me a letter saying they received my letter and are declining giving me any information, or can they literally just throw my mail in the trash?

I guess it wouldn't be to hard to just throw it out and not deal with it, and then again it is the US so if this is a cover up I highly doubt I'll get one piece of paper back from the government at all.

What do you guys think?

reply to post by davesidious
totally. if I saw a guy committing suicide with a gun, i'd shoot him too.

HighlyOriginal, the situation you described is full of Sin. I'll happily help you any way I can. I Congratulate and Admire your stance on this- you're a brave man.
Now, what's the reason ATS can't help you get into his account? He's a dead man, he won't be upset about the violations of his privacy. I mean, I'm new here and I love what I've seen of this site, but I also have to say if the admins aren't ok with helping you on this I'd be inclined to agree with what gaurdian2012 said- this site would sure seem like a damn government flytrap, now wouldn't it? Not that I'm that big on hiding anyway, but lets keep things Honest, yes? That IS what this site is ABOUT, Yes??

Anyway, H.O.... If people are too scared or too corrupt to help you, you can always contact the spirit of our slain friend. Ghosts like him are probably on the verge of contacting YOU, anyway. If this is something you haven't done, but are open to... open your mind, your heart, and your OWN spirit, remember that this is a FRIEND, who would never hurt you, and have a chat. This kind of thing has worked for me, of course it does require a certain mindstate- I would also suggest to be gentle with this guy, he may be feeling vulnerable. As you know, there are many places on the net where you can learn more about this. I also agree with contacting his wife, or what about his mother? She may be a bit less shaken and more ready to talk to someone outside the family with pure intentions...

I'm sure everyone here is aware that knowing the truth about E.T.'s has gotten a lot of people killed by big brother. I thought that was starting to change, with all the talk of UFO file disclosure. Philip Schneider is an example of somebody who gave a utube presentation about ET's and UFO's and was killed very shortly after. Did Darius have contact with any E.T.'s? As you say, it would be useful to know more about his beliefs and activities.

The very BEST of karma, luck, and fortune in this venture. This is just one more step over the line those *Snip* have dared to take. They think they're prolonging the life of this government- goes to show what a naive foe they are.

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[edit on 2/24/2010 by semperfortis]

reply to post by CultOfSkulls_D-A-ve


I did have Darius come to me when I was meditating, which was maybe a few days before I made this thread. I haven't brought it up until recently because I knew if I did people would just out right tell me I'm crazy and not have helped me at all.

Unfortunately when Darius came to me I felt all of his emotions - he was very frustrated and wanted his story to be known and the truth to be told. He literally could not explain to me what it was that the feds came to get from his house that day... not because he he doesn't want to tell me but for some other reason, it was almost as if his lips were glued shut, except telepathically. It was odd.

I also saw his death, the whole thing. He was sitting (I believe in a chair of some sort it was a bit fuzzy at the time but I do know it had arms on each side) and a gun was forced into his mouth, I believe a question was asked the trigger was then pulled and in a little bit of a struggle Darius turned his head enough so the bullet went through his cheek rather than through the back of his throat. The gun was in his mouth still and he was wrestled to the ground by one man in suit while the others just stood there and as he fell from the chair to the floor with the gun in his mouth pointed back towards his throat the gun was fired and he died as he hit the floor.

I really have tried hard to get information and to try and clear his name which is something he wants I believe for his families sake, not for his own recognition or because of what anyone else thinks of him. He wants his family to know. And I believe because of this he has been unable to move on completely spiritually although his presence hasn't been around lately but it may be because ever since that day I saw his death in my head clear as day, I have been spiritually shut off and withdrawn from my usual self. I don't like it and I hope to return to normal soon but I guess I need to deal with this issue completely before I can move on myself. I need to come to terms with this all and hopefully it will clear my mind and allow me to meditate freely again... or maybe I need to just push through and meditate and figure out what the next step I need to take is...

*UPDATE*

I am currently going to be working on getting a hold of the private investigator whole handled the families case, although without their specified permission I don't know how much I will be able to get out of him, and any sort of payment is going to be hard since I'm in a lot of dept right now unfortunately

I'm also going to contact the judge who declared this as a suicide, as well as the coroner if possible. Since Darius is dead, will they be able to divulge into his files and give me the information they have?

Obviously I wont get official papers, but copies if anything (which can easily be falsified since copying paper makes it impossible to tell age for the most part unless there is specific markings or something). Anyone know the laws about this?

Originally posted by psyko45
1.Explain the 6 bullet wounds, including the ones to the mouth (considering the FBI admits to shooting him, how did he commit suicide then?)
He didnt die immediately from the wounds inflicted during the gun battle

A trained Marine with a CRIMINAL background regarding stolen weapons among other things draws his gun?

Yes, if I was an Federal Agent I would have shot him, and not wait to see if he was going to point it at me or his head. Knowing that, isn't it possible that in an attempt to kill himself he was shot by reasonably cautious Agents as well?

2.Explain why Darius worked out on a treadmill before supposidly 'commiting suicide' because like I said who the hell works out then kills themself?

He had no intention of killing himself.

You partially answered your own question there, but also missed something.

Isn't it possible that he was one of those offenders that never intended to kill themselves...UNLESS they was about to be arrested for a despicable crime that would tarnish them and their family? They don't PLAN suicide in a traditional sense, they go about their life until the moment the Law kicks down their door.

If he was guilty then he wouldn't be the first criminal that killed themselves rather than go to prison. That would include pedophiles. It has happened quite often and for what I assumed would be obvious reasons.

3.Explain how no gun shots were heard before the Fed's came in with the warrent, nor any were heard before the family left, meaning that something went down AFTER the family was taken to the police station

Yes...so what's mysterious about that?
He was confronted after the family left, and there would be no shots before the FEDs arrived because he wasn't confronted yet.

The shots started when he pulled his gun out to kill himself.

He was cooperative to a point...

How would you know this?
That statement and everything afterward is pure speculation.

There are some SERIOUSLY perplexing deaths of innocent civilians attributed to law officers that boggle the mind and get little attention or the recognition they deserve (see: Amidou Diallo), but I just don't see the mystery here at all.

I'm not even sure why so many have declared this man innocent and even a victim.
It's just a gut reaction? A feeling? Baseless?

It doesn't even take a group of agents to execute one man.
Why even risk it? Even a Grandmother can find and hire a hit-man.

Hell, why not just go undercover and manipulate some poor sap into doing it, then disappear and claim the person insane when he rambles on abut a man that technically doesn't exist? Presto, you have your "lone gunman"!

Look, being a Marine doesn't place you above reproach. There have been married men in the military who served for years that were secretly pedophiles. You don't even need to be in the military.

You could be John David R. Atchison; a U.S. Prosecutor caught arranging to have sex with a five year old and just commit suicide instead of going through a trial and the impending hell of pedo-prison life.

Did he plan to hang before he was caught?
Was he framed and then hanged because he knew something?
Would you suspect this if he posted a few times in the "Aliens Forum"?

Rhetorical.

There may have been some negligence involved in this case, but until some conclusive evidence states the contrary I'm more inclined to believe the events transpired as described by the FEDs, and not that this man knew some incredible secrets regarding "aliens" or otherwise that required a heavy-handed "execution".

There is no evidence that he knew any sort of major secrets and if he did...he certainly didn't drop any around these parts. Around here what is posted and discussed is usually breaking news, very interesting strange news, unsubstantiated paranormal personal accounts, predictions that usually end badly for the predictor, political rigmarole, and outright hoaxes.

Haven't come across a real serious bombshell yet that had me honestly worried for the life of the poster.
It would be lost in the sea of HUNDREDS of other similar claims that are made weekly around here.

ATS has nothing to do with this case at all.

He was probably just a casual ATS member and a person involved in some "REAL LIFE" nasty things that caught up to him.

I'm sorry for his family and friends but I think they should move on.

- Lee


[edit on 1-3-2010 by lee anoma]

Originally posted by lee anoma
ATS has nothing to do with this case at all.

It sure does since he posted here. If I can figure out what account was his, it may explain some things, but then again it may not. Either way when investigating something you take all avenues, period.

Originally posted by lee anoma
He was probably just a casual ATS member and a person involved in some "REAL LIFE" nasty things that caught up to him.

"He was probably..." Exactly... you don't even know, and I'm damn sure you didn't read through this whole thread so I'm going to disregard your comment as crap for now until you do some research on Darius and see what kind of person he really was. Not to mention I'm a respected member here on ATS, so everything I've said should be taken at least with some hint of probability of being correct/accurate rather than complete bunk. I have nothing to gain by making this story up or investing my time into it, why would I do this, for fun? I'm doing it because...

Originally posted by lee anoma
I'm sorry for his family and friends but I think they should move on.

- Lee

Yeah I'm sorry for his family as well, and what you just said seems pretty disrespectful to me. Yeah let me just drop investigating this case and call the family up and tell them to just get over it already... I mean who cares that Darius' kids are out there thinking that their father was accused of having/sharing child pornography? And then lets not forget him being murdered by the FBI for reasons unknown. Your right though I guess... do you want to have the honor of making this phone call?

[edit on 1-3-2010 by highlyoriginal]

Originally posted by highlyoriginal

Originally posted by lee anoma
ATS has nothing to do with this case at all.

It sure does since he posted here.

But why?

Because he may or may not have been a member of this site based on what someone told someone else?

How do you know that anything he discussed would be even related to a military secret? How do you know that he even posted anything about his actual personal life?

Most members here are too cautious to even mention too much that reveals a lot about who they are or what they do.

It's a sensible way to behave online really.

If Theodore Kaczynski was a member here at one point it would be a big leap to suspect that ATS would be involved in some manner with what he did as the "unabomber".

Keep in mind too that this isn't the only conspiracy forum or just plain forum.

Your friend may have been a member of quite a few and not just this one.
Most people are members of various websites.

He may have posted on Martha Stewart web forum but that isn't any proof of anything.

Originally posted by lee anoma
He was probably just a casual ATS member and a person involved in some "REAL LIFE" nasty things that caught up to him.

"He was probably..." Exactly... you don't even know

I know what the FBI charged him with. Unless you have substantial evidence to the contrary I'm going to believe that they had a legitimate cause.

I mean we can sit here and say that every person the FBI accuses of a crime and presents evidence to back that up is probably innocent but where does that lead in the end of the day?

What proof do you have the the FBI is lying?

They have evidence, do you?

Yeah I'm sorry for his family as well, and what you just said seems pretty disrespectful to me. Yeah let me just drop investigating this case and call the family up and tell them to just get over it already...

This isn't an investigation.

You are just jumping to baseless conclusions and to date have no evidence that your friend posted here and his postings were a direct result of a fantastic FBI frame up and execution.

Unless I missed something, in which case I'd like to see what your investigation here has uncovered to exonerate your friend or in the very least cast doubt on the events as described by the FBI. I already explained how what they claimed happened during the events of the shooting is more that possible and reasonable. It doesn't overtly seem to be criminal.

It's okay that you think I'm being disingenuous, but personally I don't see you putting up anything to substantiate your case. I think you are too involved to even come to an unbiased conclusion since you already seem to believe he is innocent.

I don't think accepting the facts as they are is being disrespectful, but I know with a situation like this that would be extremely difficult.

I think you are causing the family more pain than I ever would even if neither of you know it. If the evidence presented by the FBI is solid...and I believe they wouldn't move on him if it wasn't...then they need to deal with those feelings and move toward a level of closure not go on wild-goose chases.

You aren't being objective and you aren't properly investigating.
You aren't getting anywhere with this.

- Lee

reply to post by lee anoma


What "proof" does the FBI have because I have seen NONE? And him being a member on here wasn't heard from a person told to another person told to me, it was directly told to me by someone who personally witnessed him on the website, in real life, and this is someone I've known for 11 years so I have no doubts about Darius being a member on ATS.

Once again, you fail to recognize that there is always the possibility that he did post something on this website that would matter and help point me in the right direction to finding more answers.

If you actually read through this thread you'd see that other members have given examples where people have been framed by the FBI using the same story of them possessing child pornography.

You really have no room to talk what so ever, you are just taking your opinion and using it as fact in your posts. You can call my conclusions about this matter an opinion as well, but I know otherwise and honestly I have nothing to prove to you. Once I can definitively prove things to you personally I'll make sure to send you a message.

If you read the story about him and do not see any holes then you are completely blind. If you read the story about his death and do not at least see the possibility of my claims being true then you are blind as well.

I'm done with these sort of posts. If you wish to bicker on about how you think this is a cut and dry case then go do it somewhere else. I am asking for help, not for people to annoy and criticize my posts in this thread.

reply to post by highlyoriginal


Right but the problem is that you made the charge that he died due to his ATS doings so yes you do have to prove to us. None of us knew a single thing of this story until you made a leap and said his ATS account and ET enthusiasim was why he was murdered by the feds. Frankly it sounds like a guy who had CP, was caught and scared of the consequences (rightfully so since CPers are treated horribly in prison) then went to take his own life and was shot.

Believe me I am sorry he is dead. I hope his family is ok but it really sounds to me like a leap you made that he was on ATS and that is why he died. What about all these other bigtime names on ATS who discuss the 9/11 truths and ET's? Why are they still ok?

You say you are looking for help. ATS staff has already told you they will not give the name up. No offense but for all they know you are making up portions of this. Maybe you don't really know this person. The don't know that. All they see is a somewhat flimsy story about a guy possibly killed in a dispute with the FBI.

Then you go on to say there is NO WAY a man works out on the treadmill and then kills himself. How do you know the inner workings of minds? It isn't an impossibility you know.

-Kyo

[edit on 2-3-2010 by KyoZero]

reply to post by highlyoriginal


When you post something to a message board (especially this one), you open up that subject to an exchange of free ideas, a discussion. Like any discussion, not all ideas will be in agreement with yours. Simply looking the other way, "and being done with these posts" because they don't agree with yours shows poor message board etiquette... and further more shows EXTREMELY POOR investigation skills.

It seems you want to follow leads that support only your theory. Any reasonable investigator knows that he must consider ALL leads to get to the truth. Lee is 100% correct when he says you are not being objective, and you are not properly investigating.

Lee also hits the nail DEAD ON THE HEAD when he writes:

I think you are too involved to even come to an unbiased conclusion since you already seem to believe he is innocent.

Although your previous post was addressed to Lee, I will reply to it because I feel I may have something to offer. It's that whole "free exchange of ideas" thing...


You wrote:

"what "proof" does the FBI have because I have seen NONE?"

The FBI has no "proof" of guilt at all. What the FBI does have is EVIDENCE. Evidence, and articulable facts are the building blocks of good investigation. Piecing them together, and presenting them before a Judge, and Jury is how we get to guilt (because Mr. Hill was always innocent until proven guilty). Understand that no one is calling Mr. Hill guilty at all... the child porn keeps on getting brought up because it's the basis of the agents reasonable suspicion, and probable cause... In essence, it's what allowed them to be in Mr. Hills house.

The evidence the FBI provided the courts to get their warrant was 700 pieces of child porn that were sent to a Mr. Steven Gamvroulas, an agent in the Utah Attorney General's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force. Gamvroulas said he'd received about 700 pieces of child pornography by e-mail from Hill specifically. Through a series of subpoenas on Web-site hosts and Internet providers, Gamvroulas said, he identified the sender's address as Hill's home. He said he had no evidence that Hill was producing the images, only that someone in his house was obtaining and distributing them.

If you actually read through this thread you'd see that other members have given examples where people have been framed by the FBI using the same story of them possessing child pornography.

You really have no room to talk what so ever, you are just taking your opinion and using it as fact in your posts. You can call my conclusions about this matter an opinion as well, but I know otherwise and honestly I have nothing to prove to you. Once I can definitively prove things to you personally I'll make sure to send you a message.

If you could I'd like a message as well.

[edit on 3/2/10 by microcosm]

reply to post by microcosm


Or, he was into child porno. That makes a lot more sense than some fantastic Hollywood-esque conspiracy.

The leaps of faith in your "logic" are incredible.

@op -

for some reason my friend has not contacted back I am still waiting for her response

As for possible info-
not actually going to happen- I broke off the relationship- another post on this site

I have a simple question and I will speak up here.

@ the ney sayers

I can tell you this as I stated earlier- IT WAS A HIT

I can tell you from personally having... well observed said actions

two reasons
amateur hit way to messy for the pros- the only thing is if it was professional- fbi used as a tool- a major tool which leads to

was used as a message to someone else- reread the case for involvement with OTHER actions


Ive ... observed
an FBI agent be killed for treason

observed an investigator killed because his bosses where involved in something he was investigating


Have you ever thought of playing devils advocate?

I will tell where the break int the case is. YOU NEED TO REREAD ALL THE FINACIALS... they get stupid and lazy

@op

are you in state that allows the possession of a concealed weapons permits and carrying

They will be coming for you. Ill let you know now....

I seriously recommend you change venues of your fight. first spend time developing new strategies.

remember you are six degrees away from who is responsible.. that means six people away.

Your FOIA request have made you noticed. They will be coming but wont waste their time till you get enough to get close to them

Well in for a penny.....

Find out when their denied who read them and recommended them denied-

As for back up ask a few officers on here who are in other states this...

if something happens to you can they look into it. email them copies to them...

Heres to hoping the long arm of the law isnt corrupt-

War dudes

reply to post by ripcontrol


Ripcontrol,

If you could present your questions more clearly, I'd be happy to take a shot at answering them. As it stands now, your posts follow no real grammatical structure, on top of that, they're more cryptic than a Nostradamus prediction! Please don't take this as a shot on you, it's not. Just understand that if you have questions and expect answers, they need to be presented more clearly. I'm the furthest thing from a grammar, or spelling nazi, I'm not asking for an award winning essay here... just something that's easier to make sense of.

Very Respectfully,
microcosm

PS-If you don't mind, I have a question of my own...

In your previous post you mention that you witnessed an FBI agent killed for treason, as well as an investigator killed for getting to close to something his bosses were involved in. I'd like to know if you witnessed these murders first hand, meaning you were there in person. To be clear... I am NOT asking you if you envisioned these deaths by remote viewing, psychic ability, or anything else like that.

reply to post by microcosm


Direct LOS- (FBI treason)

line of sight- one and a half meters away roughly on the first one

uhm, cant answer except LOS


Never have been convicted of anything.
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I do apologize, I will attempt to clean up

I keep getting interrupted where I am at

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@highly original

You need to be very careful.

At this point you have merely waved the red flag on the bull. Please endeavor for your own safety to take the threat this would represent a little more carefully.

Tread lightly and with a lot more care and skill. So your friend might have a chance at justice.

------

@ The ney sayers

It was more a series of comments but I will rearrange the last main thought on it.

Let me put it to you this way.

How would you of arranged this?

Assume it was an ordered kill. Noticed the discrepancies? It is quite a messy way to do it.

Now look at what happened, where would the evidence still be?

My feeling is that the clue that will answer the question is hidden in the financial.

I did warn him he would not like what the evidence would turn up. That was the feeling, but I can tell you he wasnt into cp like they claim.

Their are certain conditions missing from the arrest and statements that point to it. Look closer it is clear as day.

Think who shows uo in these cases.... Some are missing...

reply to post by ripcontrol


Not to derail the subject... but now I gotta ask, under what circumstances were you able to witness at one, and a half meters the death of an FBI agent for treason...

Also I should mention, Mr. Hill was never arrested at any point that evening.