All UFO's Are Ours, Aliens Haven't Visited Ever, & Believers Are Possibly Delusional

It is apparent that you do not fully believe your own title in this thread.

Still a little taken by "some" of the UFO evidence out there?

Sigh...

The title should read-

"I personally think MOST UFO/aliens cases are a hoax, but secretly still think some have a possibility of being true".

I think that is your real stance here and you just used a rude title to stir the chaos.

Hey, good move! You got a lot of people barking in here on both sides. Always a "win" when your thread draws a lot of chaos.

I just find it silly that you take such a strong stance in your title, but more then a few times in this thread you have pointed to certain evidence that you think "may be real or not hoaxed".

I dunno man...like I have said here before, you personally do not believe what your controversial title claims.

With that said....carry on.

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by Imagir

 

Thanks for that video. The Shuttle footage is some of the most intriguing out there. It seems to me logic points towards space junk or ice crystals, but who knows? I don't see any evidence of alien visitation...

Absolutely NOT "Space junk" or "Ice crystals" because they emerge from the terrestrial atmosphere, they stop and change direction and they go head in the deep space with a high speed of advanced that removal the terrestrial gravity.

Therefore what it remains is My Theory of our Magical and "crazy " Meteorological Balloons!.

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[edit on 4-2-2010 by Imagir]

Originally posted by Signals
I've been contacted by several members I have much respect for, scolding me about this thread. Several people have already un-friended me and my foe count has quadrupled (people foeing me, I never have or will foe or ignore anyone).

People foe through frustration. No biggie.

Is it the title? If it is, it proves to me how fanatical some alien believers can be. Once they sign up, "don't you dare poke a stick at us"..."don't question our evidence"...Is it the content?

The title and content was very black & white with little room to maneuver within. Hence some members will get frustrated. As I said though, I understand what you are trying to say.... just not the delusional phony part. Remember, some of the most intelligent and respected people here have witnessed a UFO event.

I don't believe I have been rude or demeaning to anyone...it's been quite the reverse of that actually. Sarcastic? Definitely, and I won't apologize for that.

No your post wasn't rude. I don't think anyone is looking for apologies. I think they probably just want you to be a little more 'pliable'. Remember, no one here truly knows who's out there' and what is & isn't possible.

Anyway, I'm walking away from this thread. This community, of which I have great respect for (most of the members at least), is just not ready for questions such as this. Consider me schooled.

Stay and enjoy the ride. After all, it is your thread and if those are your convictions, and you truly believe them, allow some rigorous inquiry... Defend it and if it stands up to all the scrutiny, well done. You know the drill.

My search continues.

Then perhaps you're not so black & white after all.

IRM

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reply to post by InfaRedMan


First off InfaRed...Not a fan of your newer avatar. But I guess I can get over that.

Secondly...no, the guy is not "all made up" in his mind and he still reserves a little room for allowing the possibility of UFOs and Aliens.

This, in turn, from the title of this thread, shows he is a delusional phony.

Pretty sad when your own title kicks your butt in public.

I do agree with much of what he says and I am no stranger to "heckling hoaxers and fools" on these subjects.

But as you have noticed, his stance is totally black-n-white and stone solid (in his title).

But in the thread he has more then once drifted to a middle ground where he "allows a possibility" to exist.

Meaning...the guy don't walk the walk after he talks the talk.

reply to post by Silicis n Volvo

nice selective arguing...did u read anything else i posted? try all the ancient proof...like i said...tonnes of it

What proof ?

You're confusing speculation with proof. Ancient texts, drawings are no more useful or reliable than the bible when it comes to proving aliens.

There may very well be aliens visiting, and I may have seen an alien ship myself, along with other witnesses. Although we have to be honest and not get too carried away with what we actually know, because what we can't prove is not yet fact.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by john124]

reply to post by Signals


FYI I got a U2U and all it contained was a period.
You are not having yours are you? I am kidding of course (finally figured how to open it by clicking on the period). Really do hope you feel better.

Everyone has times when they get argumentative and cranky and doubt everything they ever knew. That's life. Unfortunately it's all we got for now, maybe forever.

So peace. Always the best thing we can shoot for.





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Of course there is no proof that UFOs exist. If there were, there would be no point in discussing whether or not they do. But there is evidence. Just like in a court of law, we weigh the available evidence and try to decide what conclusions we can most reasonably draw.

The conclusion that I've drawn after taking a look at the evidence (the most compelling of which, by the way, DOES consist mainly of eyewitness testimony - not photographs or videos) is that it is more reasonable to conclude that at least some of the many witnesses of the close encounter variety of sightings are describing things they actually saw, than it is to conclude that all of them are lying.

It should also be pointed out that in close encounter sightings the proximity of the reported object to the witness essentially reduces the chance of misidentification of conventional objects or known phenomena to zero.

A willingness to examine the available evidence and read the associated commentary of a few serious experts on the subject (I most highly recommend James McDonald, J. Allen Hynek Jacques Vallee and Richard Haines), along with an ability to think critically and logically, as well as a measure of intellectual honesty, are all that is required to realize the reality of the UFO phenomenon.

What the phenomenon represents is another matter. It may represent extraterrestrial intelligence in the traditional sense of beings from another planet, but it might not. The origin and nature of UFOs is debatable; the reality of UFOs is much less so. However, the notion that some nation or group possessed technology such as that described in UFO literature as early as the mid-1940s seems, in my opinion, to occupy the lower end of the likelihood spectrum.

Bill Cooper, who witnessed a sighting, stated many times that he was undecided as to UFO's being terrestrial or extraterrestrial.

You can apply the 'terrestrial' UFO theory to all modern UFO sightings (say the last 50 years or so), but when you look at the myriad of ancient accounts, not to mention religious texts whether it be the Mahābhārata/Bhagavad Gita and Old Testament in particular with aerial craft being explicitly mentioned numerous times, or sightings from Egyptian dynasty, or ancient China and Japan, not to mention the range of American Indian cultures such as the Anasazi and Hopi, even the African Dogon culture, it's pretty clear that either an extremely advanced terrestrial civilization existed thousands of years ago or we've been visited by an extraterrestrial civilization for a LONG time and they made their appearance known worldwide.

Any new equation will be more general then previous equations -- as per Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. I also discovered a new (and therefore MORE GENERAL) equation based on the same diatonic ratios applied to geometry. Again, the reason the math community didn't respond to Hawkins (and yes I did go read at the university library Hawkins' original plea in the teachers math magazine) is because these equations do not use algebra whereas modern math does use algebra with closed form solutions.

Archimedes, Archytas, Kepler -- they used diatonic harmonic ratios applied to geometry -- but they did not used closed form geometry. Galileo, in contrast, did used closed form algebra -- and so that cross over in math happened around Galileo in the early 1600s, even though algebra in the West was being developed much earlier as the Arabic math was translated which in turn was based on the Vedic math. Archytas and Archimedes understood the concept of algebra as applied to geometry -- irrational magnitude or alogon -- but it wasn't until the Arabic symbols were introduced that an efficient system of Western algebra was developed.

So to go back and discover new diatonic continued proportion harmonic ratio solutions is fun and important -- my work was called "very valuable" by math professor Joe Mazur and math professor Luigi Borzacchini said I was a "good mathematician" -- but again since I could prove no historical evidence for my equations they were considered speculation. So the same attitude has been applied to Hawkins -- it's not seen to be important because modern math does not rely on continued proportion solutions.

i]reply to post by The X

With the preponderance of evidence out there, obviously no one person can unequivically say "There are no aliens." In that respect, this thread is bunk.

You can have an opinion that YOU don't think there is alien life, but you are not nearly smart enough, well informed enough, "in the know" enough to make such a blunt, definitive comment. You do not know. You are guessing. You are trying to press your opinion onto others.

reply to post by jaden_x


Sorry if this has been posted time and again. My attention span will only go a few pages (my bad).

I'm not saying if I believe UFO's are real or not, and your opinion is important to us, but I do watch the sky alot at night with a telescope. I have never seen anything (yet) that could be construed as a UFO. This has been a past time for me for over ten years now.

Mr Mask has a point. I pointed out the inconsistencies between what the OP argues, the title of the thread and what then Signals says throughout it back on page 2.

I think the lesson many people will take from this is: make up a purposely controversial and offensive title for your thread, even though, apparently, you don't actually believe it, and watch your thread get hundreds of posts.

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

 

Jax, I read Chariots Of The Gods too. Compelling stuff. He sold a zillion copies.

Who's to say we aren't missing a chapter of our history...a chapter where WE were really smart, had high technology, etc....that later cultures (ie. Sumerian, Egyptian, etc...) worshiped as sun gods....Then we come along and say "Sun gods???? OMG those were aliens". I need more than that.

I think it's both humanoid 'aliens' and 'advanced-race' human who've been living underground, in secret bases for many years under our very noses.
The 'grey' alien connection being either just a smokescreen created by the ptb to surpress the truth OR one small fraction of the real deal.
Keep an open-mind on the hollow-earth theory and it does vindicate the 'human' alien question somewhat.

Disc technology (Haunebau etc from the 40's) is supposed to have been the explanation for many sightings in the 1940's and 50's... Maybe the thread starter has a fair point and possibly many sightings could be down to advances in this technology originally developed by the Nazis.

I don't think this can account for every single UFO sighting though, so would have to disagree with the title.

Originally posted by Signals


If an alien steps on my back porch right now I will gladly shut up.

The possibility of that happening is very thin since our military policy for things like this are, "Shoot first, ask questions later".

Hi again! The crop circle of the alien with the bianary code disc that
was put into the crops next to a radio station, pretty much says it all.
Literally. Lucy Pringle's Crop Circle web site shows this picture and most of
the other circles over a twenty plus year catalogue. When I first saw that
photo I was scared, a chill ran up my spine, I couldn't sleep well for many
nights. Things like God, Jesus, electricity, cancer, pandemics, Trust, Truth, Intuition, Religious faith, etc. are real... but hard to actually see with your eyes. Faith and trust in your fellow man might be of crucial importance.
I feel we are definetly being looked at, and have been for a while. I can sense it. Just because we are limited by our lack of knowledge and technology limiting us physically does not apply to the whole universe. It
is just our reality here on earth, and yet some humans do get to go out into space... who knows how they perceive things and what they have seen.

Originally posted by Signals
UFO's are almost certainly our own technology, kept hidden from us.

Why do that, exactly?

Where is the benefit in doing it?

reply to post by Signals


Signals,

I'm surprised ... and more than a little disappointed !

Why are you being so selective about the posts you answer and the glaringly obvious ones that you don't

Come on ... you can't make a sweeping statement like the one in the title of this thread ... and then become coy about who you respond to.

You chose to throw the gauntlet down ... now you must pick up your sword and fight your corner like a man ... or fall on it, as you admit defeat ... the choice of course is yours ... but by being so selective you are beginning to look very small (in the 'valid point' stakes, you understand).

Woody

Originally posted by Signals

Not one single shred of "evidence" supports Planet Earth ever having been visited by anything. Not a picture, not a book, not a video. Eyewitness accounts are very unreliable, just ask our justice system.







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Just because you've never seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Do you really think that in an infinite universe Earth is the only planet with life? So then why the heck are there billions of stars and planets. I do agree with you that aliens MAY not be visiting Earth, but surely they exist somewhere out there. Just my .02

Originally posted by seanizle
reply to post by Signals

 

I think you need to read about Sumeria, then come back in about a month and see if you still think its all bogus.

Let's not forget the many ancient Indian epics aswell, filled with tales of beings from other worlds, interplanetary conflicts, etc