All UFO's Are Ours, Aliens Haven't Visited Ever, & Believers Are Possibly Delusional

I'm surprised no one as mentioned this thread which brings up alien implants (with video)...that type of proof I can listen to.

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There is a widespread belief that alien beings have traveled to Earth from some other planet and are doing reproductive experiments on a chosen few. Despite the incredible nature of this belief and a lack of credible supportive evidence, a cult has grown up around it. According to a Gallup poll done at the end of the twentieth century, about one-third of Americans believe aliens have visited us, an increase of 5% over the previous decade.

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OP can you prove to me that us Humans are not Aliens to this planet.
Can you prove that we did actually "Naturally" evolve from Primates.

It is near on imposable for anyone on ATS to prove Aliens do exist, and it's the same for anyone trying to prove they don't exist. This could potentially be a never ending thread, however I am cool with that because we can point to where the evidence/proof might be.

You only have to look at humanities technological advances over the last Century to see something is helping us make those advances. One min we are watching black and white analog TV the next its digital 1080p HD surround sound feel like ya there 3D TV.

I don't see any other species on this planet making anything close to what humanity has achieved, Scientist have already said our DNA is too advanced for this planet. So I think if you want proof Aliens exist and have visited earth....

"Look in the mirror"


Edit: Error = Century not Decade

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Good to see a well thought out thread like this!

Reading through the posts its easy to see how people disagree over disclosure. There are many thousands of years worth of UFO interpretations to sift through so its no surprise that conclusions vary.

Maybe the problem is partially that we tend to restrict our research focus to a single recorded event whether it be *THE CORRECT* interpretation of Stonehenge or the egyptian glyphs or even Tesla's radio receptions from Mars.

Its like the old saying you can't see the forest for the trees. Thousands of years ago the curved shadow of the earth outlined against the moon during a lunar eclipse could have been explained away many different ways.

I'm sure people would have had great difficulty conveying the idea of a heliocentric solar system as the cause so lunar eclipses remained UFO's to the general public till the printing press was invented.

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Good Stuff-

Roswell: “A Physicist’s Tale,” by Dave Thomas*, with apologies to G. Chaucer.

A physicist there was, called by his king,
To listen for fearful weapons’ eerie ring,
Yet his efforts vanish’d, into the sky,
Leaving him sadly to wonder why.
But his package was found, by caprice,
And a farmhand took it in, to the police.
The King’s best flyers were called in, and then,
The Major said “This came Not from Men.”
Now believers of aliens much ado make,
And museums honor a physicist’s mistake.

* First Read on Jan. 12, 2005, at the annual meeting of the American Institute of Physics Teachers

New Mexicans For Science And Reason Site

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
I'm afraid that I'll have to disagree with ya here, Signals... While the recent 'evidence' might be sketchy, the ancient evidence is far more compelling... The Nasca Lines, Sumerian Petroglyphs, Mayan carvings... All from an age that predates the UFO phenomenon...

Yours is an opinion Signals, one which as anybody, you are entitled to.

Hoaxes and faked evidences abound in these modern times, 'tis true enough, but as JR rightly states, there is evidence from all ancient civilisations, Erich von Däniken is not a nut job, he's correct in much of his collated evidences as too are many others.

Non Terran entities have been with our species since the beginning as too, many species frequented our planet in our past and still do.

Just because some prefer not to believe, doesn't mean they are correct, it's their opinion.

As for myself, i've had my own experiences and will never take the viewpoint non Terran beings don't exist, i believe they do, in fact i know they do, i was even attacked once when i was a kid for what reasons they considered me a threat is anybody's guess though i have my theories, i just cannot prove such and don't usually embroil myself in the believer/sceptic/denier vacillations.

But yours is an opinion, you cannot prove non Terrans don't exist any more than i can prove they do.

Peace.


[Have you seen the History channel's Ancient Aliens programmes? I can supply Bit Torrent links if you wish to download them, as well as original Chariots of the Gods movie.]



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Prove me wrong.

Nobody can prove you wrong.

Nobody can prove you right.

Is your argument even valid?

However I will say this, Humans appear to have an innate need for the "fantastic". This need for the fantastic combined with lack of education and practical experience with exotic subjects leads to great leaps of faith/logic/reason.

Classic case is the Norway spiral, since the visuals were new and fantastic to so many people, it seems they must also attribute its origin to the fantastic. Not long ago in Human history such a sight would be "a sign from god" or a "portent of evil" and this or that spirit would be expressing his/hers/its displeasure with something or other. Now we have people saying "wormhole" or "Haarp" instead of blaming the gods. It’s much easier to attribute phenomena to the fantastic then it is to educate yourself to the complexities of reality.




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Yes, I've seen that show, Ancient Aliens. 3 times now I think . It is fascinating.

Part of me finds it insulting though. Humankind couldn't possibly have genius ideas and accomplishments on its on? No way we were way more advanced than previously thought and somehow lost our place and memory? (through a cataclysmic event)

Who is behind shows like that? They do like ratings, that's for sure.

Originally posted by Signals
Yep, it's all true.

Not one single shred of "evidence" supports Planet Earth ever having been visited by anything. Not a picture, not a book, not a video. Eyewitness accounts are very unreliable, just ask our justice system.

WOW, what a statement! Not one single shred of evidence. I am just going to laugh and feel sorry for you.

So, you demand "proof" yet pictures and videos are all fake, and all eyewitness reports are lies.

Only for the past century has there been the ability to take pictures or videos, yet there have been reports of UFOs for thousands of years.

So, all eyewitnesses are liars, and all photos and videos are faked. So what proof do you want? Aliens to land in YOUR front yard and ring your doorbell? I predict that will NEVER happen.

All this stuff you think you KNOW, is just what has been jammed down your throat by school and/or TV. Do you even know what has happened outside of your own town, EVER? No, you don't. All you know is what you are told on TV, which easily can be ALL lies, yet you believe that somehow. In the old days before TV, the only way you would know ANYTHING that ever happened outside of your own view was from eyewitness reports. Generally, as long as more than one or two people witnessed something it would be accepted as true. BUT, they are all lying. Ergo, you must disbelieve EVERYTHING. Do ya?

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We who are abit serious on ATS do not appriciate unintelligent posts like you just did here. As you can read on the news here some of our members Lost his life this recently. A couple of weeks earlier the person contacted us for help. People die of holding info wich the government and normal people are not supposed to be aware of. If you posted this in the 1980s it would be a good written post. But in 2010 with have science\math ect FACTS that prove that ufos and aliens simply Exist.

Originally posted by Signals

Ever wonder over & over again the cliche' "Why are UFO pictures and videos so out of focus and fuzzy"?

Because it's all a SHAM to distract us.

Prove me wrong.

Maybe because We do not see things as they are, we see things as we are...

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I expected more from you than a bottom feeding, pot stirring thread Signals.

Poor form man! Don't go the way of the 'dime-a-dozen' point whores! It's not like ATS needs another one.

While I understand some of the points your trying to make, I believe you could have expressed it in a better way... and all you've really done is swap out one conspiracy for another which makes you look kinda silly to be honest.

IRM

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Actually no, television is the main instigator for the "aliens are real and here movement"....

V, countless re-runs of Independence Day, Men In Black, Fringe, Alien, X-Files, etc..

Don't you get Sci-Fy channel?

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by DeltaPan

 

Yes, I've seen that show, Ancient Aliens. 3 times now I think

. It is fascinating.

Part of me finds it insulting though. Humankind couldn't possibly have genius ideas and accomplishments on its on? No way we were way more advanced than previously thought and somehow lost our place and memory? (through a cataclysmic event)

Who is behind shows like that? They do like ratings, that's for sure.

We were more advanced in ancient times, but that evolved from somewhere!

I rather think we had a good relationship with Non Terran beings in our ancient past, we had a higher level of genius as did the Non Terran's, but you know about cataclysm's in our ancient past, they left but many of their number stayed behind before and during the last cataclysm, then a couple of thousand years ago Homo sapiens waged a war with non Terran's left on the planet, the remains of which are being uncovered and obfuscated all the time in modernity, as too there was a war on the Celts and Druidics/Nadredd etc and eradication of all advanced knowledge of ancient times by the armies of Christianity.

It isn't that we never had enough intelligence to do such things in our past, but we did need some help in our early existence as modern Humans.

But a savage war has done away with those who remained after the last cataclysm and our own ancient knowledge eradicated along with non Terran knowledge given to us and Non Terran beings now have a strong distrust because of what the Roman empire did, to which we are only just catching up on the curves which should have been.

The Celt Empire, earlier than the Romans, lived in peace with these Non Terran beings, we had running battles with some but co-existed with most i believe, everything since the Roman Empire into the 'Holy' Roman Empire has sought to obfuscate and deny, even though the bible itself has testimony to their existence. We Celts lost a war, not only to the Romans but to the worst element of those Non Terrans who survived the cataclysm, the peaceful ones were eradicated by the bad and the Romans, along with any Humans who had learned advanced spirituality etc from the peaceful Non Terrans, because the Romans wanted complete dominion over the many.

Not all Non Terran's are a foe of our species, however much the bible portrays them, outside the Canonised Bibles, references to this would be known, we once lived in harmony with those who are now perceived as nephalim/seraphim's, good and bad in everything and from the destruction this planet has unfortunately suffered since the "Giants" were eradicated along with their knowledge and our own ancient knowledge, one has to wonder whether what is professed in the bible and revered as truth by Christians, is in fact back to front, who are the angels, who are really evil and enslave our species by keeping truth and knowledge from us, ay.

Peace.


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Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by Signals

 

I expected more from you than a bottom feeding, pot stirring thread Signals.

Poor form man! Don't go the way of the 'dime-a-dozen' point whores! It's not like ATS needs another one.

While I understand some of the points your trying to make, I believe you could have expressed it in a better way... and all you've really done is swap out one conspiracy for another which makes you look kinda silly to be honest.

IRM

I appreciate your candor and your opinion IRM. Not once did I consider flags, stars, points (what can you really do with points anyway)...I've been contacted by several members I have much respect for, scolding me about this thread. Several people have already un-friended me and my foe count has quadrupled (people foeing me, I never have or will foe or ignore anyone).

Is it the title? If it is, it proves to me how fanatical some alien believers can be. Once they sign up, "don't you dare poke a stick at us"..."don't question our evidence"...Is it the content? I don't believe I have been rude or demeaning to anyone...it's been quite the reverse of that actually. Sarcastic? Definitely, and I won't apologize for that.

Anyway, I'm walking away taking a break from this thread. This community, of which I have great respect for (most of the members at least), is just not ready for questions such as this. Consider me schooled.

Thank you to EVERYONE for their replies, sincerely. My search continues.

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Oh this is just great!

I am now delusional for believing its possible that aliens have visited earth.

Add this to my delusions that Obama may or may not be a natural born citizen of the US.

And lets not forget I must be crazy for thinking there might be some kind of spiritually superior intelligent force (perhaps god).

I am developing a complex................

Thank you ATS!!!

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My instincts are telling me what you've described is very close to the truth.

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Please. Make a thread or speak more about it about it. (and SmokeJaguar67, you too) That is what this site is for.

Not to accommodate such tunnel visionaries as my friend Signals here and his sometimes cruel responders. (I incidentally will not unfriend someone unless I think they are dangerous)What Signals believes is not dangerous. I don't agree but people should leave him be. We can see he is simply having an episode.

Back to you goneglockin...Your story is what I am here for.

Please speak. You can start a new thread by hitting New Thread instead of Reply. As far as I know anyone can.



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P.S. How does believing in UFOs make one a phony?


Yep.... I have always wondered that one as well...

Originally posted by drew hempel
Hawkins is claiming original proof for a secret harmonic ratio in Euclidian geometry. I did the same thing with Archtyas "doubling of the cube" proof -- I discovered the secret harmonic ratios for his solution 1:5/4::8/5:2

5/4 is the major third and 8/5 is the minor 6th.

My math is correct as is Hawkins -- but there's no historical evidence for my math. So, just like Hawkins, there can be no proof that this was a secret Euclidian harmonic ratio solution from geometry.

Archimedes used harmonic ratios for his Euclidian geometry solutions and the ratio 5/4 was the approximation for the cube root of 2, which launched three dimensional spatial perspective.

What Hawkins has done is not without precedence -- but it just doesn't fit into normal Western axiomatic math so harmonic ratios are continued proportions. Kepler also used harmonic ratios for his geometry but Kepler was against the "closed form" solutions of geometry using algebra -- yet the closed form solutions are the standard geometric solutions now.

That's why there was no response to Hawkins.

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The facts as they are are these.
He was studying the euclidian geometry in crop circles.
He saw a fifth more general theory from which he could derive the OTHER four euclidian theorems.
What Science News Reported

The next two paragraphs are paraphrased from SCIENCE NEWS ONLINE, October 12, 1996.

Crop Circles: Theorems in Wheat Fields - by G Hawkins, PhD [brackets are my additions]

"... Hawkins found that he could use the principles of Euclidean geometry to prove four theorems derived from the relationships among the areas depicted in these Crop Circle patterns.
He also discovered a fifth, more general theorem, from which he could derive the other four. Hawkins' Fifth Crop Circle Theorem involves a triangle and various concentric circles touching the triangle's sides and corners.
As the mathematical relationships of the Circles and Rings are explored using various triangles [i.e., equilateral, isosceles, right], the special Crop Circle geometries are revealed. The different triangles disclose different geometrical relationships.