Scores killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza

I see a double standard here in that everyone screams anytime Israel does something like this, but they hardly blink an eye when muslins do the same thing. In that area of the world they are ALL extreme, with little exceptions.

So I read that a suicide bomber kills 26 in a polling station, so no big deal I guess, or that person had a good reason to kill 26 innocent people for their cause or struggle. This guy just didn’t wake up with an idea to kill, he was a part of a muslin organization that uses violence to push their cause.
This is their way of life over there including Israel, and Israel will use whatever measures they feel is needed to accomplish their tactical goals.

Is it the right thing to do? No, but then little is done over there with human compassion or moderation as part of the action.


[edit on 28-12-2008 by Xtrozero]

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The EU is 27 countries. So 27+4=31. So that is 31 countries that consider Hamas to be terrorists.

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

Any proof Mossad created Hamas? Second, thanks for the info on Egypt! Does sound like a beautiful place to go.

I politely ask you to google the history. It can get tiring to cross reference or footnote every comment. Most ATSers have discussed this fact before.

reply to post by GamerGal


The EU is an economic block with each member having an independent foreign policy. Assuming that all classify Hamas as a terror org on the basis of Britain partial designation is inaccurate.

Zionist tend to classify all their enemies as terrorists so I don't blame you for over reaching yourself.

Originally posted by RogerT
Consider for a moment, if you have the capacity, that your wife and unborn child both die in terror and pain during traumatic labor on the dusty and dirty roadside, whilst the checkpoint soldier waves your ID around and points a gun at your head to silence your desperate pleading.

.......

Now multiply that by thousands and you can begin to understand why the current (illegal) Israeli occupation can only result in more anger, hatred and death on both sides.

Spare me the snide "capacity" comments please.

So the Palestinians are ok when they attack innocent civilian Jews at a Disco or Cafe or Synagogue yet the Israelis are Evil for trying to control that from happening? I've often said the Israelis do stupid bad things, yet I hardly ever hear that from the other side about the errors the Palestinians make, what gives?

I could take your last quote and reverse it to the Israeli side "the current (illegal) Terror attacks by Hamas can only result in more anger, hatred and death on both sides ", eventually one side or hopefully both sides, say "ENOUGH" and try to really live side by side in Peace.

Sadly the Palestinian side has been teaching their children and Public that only violence can achieve their goal and that their goal does not include living in peace, side by side with a Jewish State of Israel. It's "all or nothing" for them, to be frank, giving either side that kind of option means there can only be one winner. Palestinians will suffer until their leadership makes it clear that they will live in real peace with the Jewish State of Israel next door. Till that happens, the average Palestinian and Jew will suffer.

If Israel were to go back to the 67 borders, they still would be attacked by Palestinian militants, or do you think Hamas will live in Peace? Their Charter plainly spells out their ultimate goal. What would you say if Israel was back to the 67 Borders, made no attacks on the new Palestinian State, and still got rockets fired on them from Gaza? Would you defend Israel's right to self defense then?


Most of the Pro Palestinian side want the Jewish State of Israel to cease existing in the Middle East, that plainly will not happen. For all your cries of "Genocide / Holocaust against the Palestinians" you advocate the same against the Jews living in Israel. Can't you see the contradiction in your belief system?

Originally posted by Xtrozero
I see a double standard here in that everyone screams anytime Israel does something like this, but they hardly blink an eye when muslins do the same thing. In that area of the world they are ALL extreme, with little exceptions.

So I read that a suicide bomber kills 26 in a polling station, so no big deal I guess, or that person had a good reason to kill 26 innocent people for their cause or struggle. This guy just didn’t wake up with an idea to kill, he was a part of a muslin organization that uses violence to push their cause.
This is their way of life over there including Israel, and Israel will use whatever measures they feel is needed to accomplish their tactical goals.

Is it the right thing to do? No, but then little is done over there with human compassion or moderation as part of the action.


[edit on 28-12-2008 by Xtrozero]

What is a 'muslin' and how does that have a bearing on the Palestinian national resistance? How can we take your comments seriously when you are factually incorrect on all counts?

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by Harlequin

 

The EU is 27 countries. So 27+4=31. So that is 31 countries that consider Hamas to be terrorists.

no , this is not like the USA - the EU is a political entity which has its member countries interets at heart - but at the end of the day each country is there own, woth there own governments and own leaders , as displayed with the UK , a member of the EU , says one thing whilst the EU says something different.

the EU is not a country.

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When did I say the EU was one country? I have repeatedly said it is 27 countries, all declaring Hamas terrorists.

another thing

richard landes - begining to see through him now , completely ignores what israel did to the gaza power station in 2006 - that is , bombed it and destroyed the fuel reserves - there is a gian oil slick even today along the eastern med (its been compared to the exxon valdez disaster) - this , as all experst agree , will massively reduce the ability of a power station to operate - you know getting bombed and all that.


yet mr landes ignores and dismisses this out of hand - as the station hasn`t been properly repaired since.


but apparntly the oil slick must be part of `pallywood` as him and ruthie blumm like to repeat - all the time.


the UN special inspector was turned away at gun point in jan 2008 , when he went to visit gaza , in fact ALL special liasons have been turned away; so what is israel wanting to hide?

you also dismiss that picture out of hand as you apparantly cannot see anything so it must be `useless` - tut tut , that picture has also been validated many times , by reuters of all people as genuine.

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by Harlequin

 

When did I say the EU was one country? I have repeatedly said it is 27 countries, all declaring Hamas terrorists.

apparantly you can`t read either - the EU is not a country.

its not 27 countries.

it is nothing like the USA.

it is a political entity with subscription based membership to look after its members intersts - but those members are seperate countries in there own right.

so please stop getting it very wrong about the EU.

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Validated by... The same people who hire actors to play dead people? Until you watch the documentary all you have is enforced ignorance.

reply to post by GamerGal


i have watched richard landes work before - i have also read `counter blogs` which discredit his work and pulls holes in it - the whole gaza black out being the latest work of richard landes to be discredited. - the 200 miles long oil slick is the rather obvious from space part.

edit:

no the US reuters editorial team who examined that photo - so take your crusdae of dead people elsewhere.

unless you think reuters are biased and fox news are amazing?

[edit on 28/12/08 by Harlequin]

Originally posted by GamerGal

Any proof Mossad created Hamas? Second, thanks for the info on Egypt! Does sound like a beautiful place to go.

Here's a good article about Hamas.

Palestine The Origins of Hamas and its Role Today

By Yossi Schwartz (In Defence of Marxism circle in Israel)
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It is not a well known fact, but it will not surprise those who know anything about the history of the Taliban in Afghanistan, that Israel in many ways initially created this monster but later lost control over it.

Richard Sale, a UPI Correspondent, wrote an illuminating article on the origin of Hamas in which he pointed out that, "According to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years."

Israel "aided Hamas directly ‑ the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.

Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.

According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War.
******SKIP******
According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel itself.
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"The thinking on the part of some of the right-wing Israeli establishment was that Hamas and the others, if they gained control, would refuse to have any part of the peace process and would torpedo any agreements put in place," said a U.S. government official who asked not to be named. "Israel would still be the only democracy in the region for the United States to deal with," he said.

Israel might not have actually got these people together and said, "Let's start this organization that we'll call Hamas", but they did back them financially when the movement was in it's infancy.

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Ok, Harlequin, show us one EU member country that does not declare Hamas to be a terrorist organization? I tire of you and others deflecting questions.

Thank You.

reply to post by pavil


Well to be fair
The EU only recognizes the military wing of hamas as a terrorist group

reply to post by Runningtobabylon


Source Please!!

reply to post by pavil

Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by Canada,[19] the European Union,[20][21][22][23] Israel,[24] Japan,[25] and the United States,[26] and is banned in Jordan.[27] Australia[28] and the United Kingdom[29] list only the military wing of Hamas

en.wikipedia.org...

Ah seems i read wrong, Only the UK and austraila list the military wing
My bad
But still , This makes it that not 100% of the EU sees hamas as terrorists

[edit on 28-12-2008 by Runningtobabylon]

it's hard to defend israel after so many false flag attacks by their side. they are only a tool for the agenda anyway.

it's insanity and it needs to stop now because if it doesn't the whole region will get pulled in and then the whole world.

[edit on 28-12-2008 by Kat77]

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Can you tell us how many countries classify Israel as an outlaw state?

reply to post by Runningtobabylon


I would suggest you delve further than Wiki..... the UK reference is from 2000, times have changed since then.