Scores killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza

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Originally posted by RFBurns
reply to post by redhatty

 

Now your just twisting the facts to try to support your innocent Israeli stance. Havent you figured it out yet, that BOTH are wrong, as I have been saying now for the last what...17 18 pages worth?

The difference is, if the Palestinians stopped attacking there would be peace. If Israel laid down it's arms, they would be destroyed.

Ya its only propeganda if it only applies to one side when both do the same thing and the other side is called something else and not propeganda...but is in fact the same thing and applies to both.

Sure looks like Israeli kids to me smiling and signing those things that end up killing other kids and not intended military targets.

Same happens to the other too. So...with that in mind...where is the right in all of this?

There isnt any.




Cheers!!!!

Unless you don't consider the right of Israel to survive a "right"

Again, if Israel laid down it's arms, they would be destroyed. If their neighbors would stop attacking them, there would be peace. It's that simple.

Originally posted by GamerGal
reply to post by mybigunit

 

Actually, the Palestinians weren't eating grass because of Israel. They were eating grass because they bought a lion for their zoo. They bought missiles too fire at kids and women. They bought actors and directors instead of food.

What is this? Finally something to agree with you about, gamergal. I knoew it had to happen sooner or later. Star for you!

news.yahoo.com...

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Israeli warplanes retaliating for rocket fire from the Gaza Strip pounded dozens of security compounds across the Hamas-ruled territory in unprecedented waves of airstrikes Saturday, killing more than 200 people and wounding nearly 400 in the single bloodiest day of fighting in years.

Most of those killed were security men, but an unknown number of civilians were also among the dead. Hamas said all of its security installations were hit, threatened to resume suicide attacks, and sent at least 70 rockets and mortar shells crashing into Israeli border communities, according to the Israeli military. One Israeli was killed and at least six people were hurt.

With so many wounded, the Palestinian death toll was likely to rise.

The strikes caused widespread panic and confusion in Gaza, as black clouds of smoke rose above the territory, ruled by Hamas for the past 18 months. Some of the Israeli missiles struck in densely populated areas as children were leaving school, and women rushed into the streets frantically looking for their children.

Over 200 dead and many more. What a tragedy. No doubt this will be another war coming soon. The one where Israel will unleash almost everything to finish this instead of waiting.

The only way to stop Israel from doing this again is to commit more suicide bombings on buses and launch more rockets, thats the only way to get Israel to stop. Only violence is the answer.

Palestiniants are not as efficient as their counterpart hesbolah.This is will turn in to a palestinian blod bath.They have no way to retaliate besides their uneficient rockets that are children play compared to the air strikes.
The numbers are rising from hour to hour, at least 2005 are confirmed killed. If I were the Russians I wold give them something similar to the stinger at least to have a fighting chance.Why not even the ods?

BBC. "IDF ground forces massing on the entire border with Gaza." Looks like the boys are going in tonight.

Originally posted by redhatty

Originally posted by masonwatcher
reply to post by redhatty

 

So the journalist brought the Israeli kids to a military munitions dump. And what did the officer in charge have to say about that?

The children were from Kiryat Shmona, which is right on the border with Lebanon and had been hit by Hizbullah rockets.

The reporter insists that nobody who was there spoke with hatred about the Lebanese.

The children had been scared by the rockets and had been cooped up in underground shelters for five days and were probably a bit giddy at being outside and at the interest from photographers. An Israeli unit was in the town and some 12 photographers were taking pictures.

According to the account, some of the parents wrote messages to Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah and then they handed the markers to the children who started drawing Israeli flags on the shells. The photographers, looking for a powerful image, had found one.

So it was a real photo and not a discredited staged photo op like you said earlier only this time you say the kids were "giddy".

Well giddiness is bad for kids. Their counterparts in the Lebanon were terminally giddy.





And I am sure there will be terminally giddy Gaza children tonight. Giddiness is bad for kids.

It is good to see Israeli aircraft over Gaza, One can only hope that the Hamas
leadership was using the toilet at the time.

reply to post by masonwatcher


Masonwatcher,


You would do well to research the photo you produced from Lebanon, especially about the Bespectacled helmeted Rescue man. I think you might be in for an eyeopener........ Let me know if you know of his background, ok?

Instead of asking eachother if we know the eyeopening history behind photographs in a way that implies that we know the truth, let's just either present our evidence or not mention it, please. This keeps the thread from seeming needlessly long and hollow. Thanks.

The question now is what will Israel do next. Barak has already announced that this was just the first part of the operation, and the next part will be accomplished by ground forces.

It now appears that there will be an incursion by Israel into Gaza, but the scale of it is not clear. One option for israel would be to occupy much of Gaza, but this will be very difficult to undertake and will no doubt entail many loses for the IDF. Plus there will be overwhelming pressure from the rest of the world to withdraw.

My guess is that Israel will undertake a limited incursion with continued limited airstrikes against Hamas targets. Israel will likely attempt to uproot Hamas in order to create a power vacuum in Gaza that Fatah can later fill. Meanwhile we will see mounting deaths on both sides, but nothing on the scale of today's events. However little good can come from IDF's ground operations and I doubt they are capable of succeeding against Hamas. If anything they will get bogged down in Gaza and retreat several months later creating a temporary anarchy. After that Hamas will likely be back and Fatah will have no time to take over.

I think Abbas will be right behind the Israelis waiting for the Israelis to get rid of Hamas so Abbas can walk in and take over Gaza again. Hamas may have bit off more than it can chew.

Well here we go again! Israel will go in an occupy the Gaza strip and slowly whittle away at the most recent generation of Palestinian youth and quell the problem for another 20 years or so until the shell shocked small children of today’s Gaza grow up 20 years from now to start an Intifada of their own.

In the meantime another 20 years of the victors get to rewrite history and influence mass media opinion just makes getting back to the roots of the Balfour Declaration, and the badly botched and undermined British Mandate to partition Palestine seemingly impossible to redress this inhumane injustice to a collective people whose true crime seems to simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time, and being subjected to the worst kind of conqueror.

I am an American, I live a dozen miles away from a prominent and sizable American Indian Reservation, the only killing they do is at the Black Jack tables to which we are all cordially invited.

All I can say is I wish our American Government would rejoin a neutral stance as we did in the beginning when Israel declared Independence from the British Mandate after waging their own successful terrorist war against it.

It saddens me that American Tax Dollars aide and abet this and that the only thing that will likely keep the U.N. from interfering fairly and justly in this, is our Security Council Veto against the collective will of the world’s better judgment.

2,000 years and counting, I wonder if this world will ever learn from theses tragic crimes and mistakes?

I sure hope so.

reply to post by ATS4dummies


If it is a school, where are the pupils? I suspect another curfew was imposed so kids would have not been at risk.

If I was a Palestinian, I wouldn't put much value on buildings since they often get demolished by the Israeli Occupation Forces.

You never know, this could be the beginnings of a new architecture. One in which municipal structures have a light touch down and quickly rebuilt without too much site clearances. A kind of vernacular disposability in the design. An alternative green recyclable materiels will have to be sought. Concrete is no good and bulky. Bunkers would have to be included in this new school of architecture.

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Breaking:

Hamas threatens revenge - "unleashing hell"; Russia urges Israel, Hamas to stop clashes

Hamas leaders have threatened revenge attacks against Israel for the air strikes in Gaza that killed scores of people and wounded hundreds more.

Both sides have ramped up their rhetoric, with Hamas saying it will retaliate by "unleashing hell".

Meanwhile, Israeli defence minister Ehud Barak signalled that its campaign may go on for some time and "be intensified as long as necessary."

(teletext.co.uk)

MOSCOW, Dec. 27 (Xinhua) -- Russia on Saturday urged Israel to "immediately stop" its military actions in Gaza Strip, and Hamas to halt shelling Israeli territory.

"Moscow believes it is necessary (for Israel) to immediately stop the large-scale military operation against Gaza Strip," Itar-Tass and Interfax quoted a Foreign Ministry spokesman as saying.

Israel carried out heavy air raids over the Gaza City over the weekend. More than 200 Palestinians have been killed and some 750 injured in the Israeli blitz, according to Palestinian sources.

Israel, however, said that it will take further military actions to stop the continuing artillery attacks from the Hamas-ruled enclave.

"At the same time, we are urging the leadership of Hamas to stop missile strikes upon Israeli territory," said the Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Andrei Nesterenko.

Israel and Gaza militant groups had generally observed an Egypt-brokered truce deal for five months before clashes resumed in early November.

As Gaza militants pummeled southern Israel on a nearly daily basis, Israeli officials have warned that they would take decisive moves to restore security in the south.

(news.xinhuanet.com)

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by masonwatcher

 

Masonwatcher,


You would do well to research the photo you produced from Lebanon, especially about the Bespectacled helmeted Rescue man. I think you might be in for an eyeopener........ Let me know if you know of his background, ok?

Oh mysterious Pavil, who might that be-spectacled paramedic be?

I do note that there is a UN blue helmet and a Lebanese soldier with Soviet style webbing in the background

Are you suggesting that the image is from Israel?

Remember not all Jews are zionists and not all zionists are Jews.

It's time hamas use it's fundings to get better rockets and mortars that have longer ranges and can penetrate deep into israeli cities.

If israel don't have any regards for life than Hamas shouldn't either.Time to rain rockets on israel hezbollah style.

I think israel should get ready to embrace what's coming after this massacre.Hezbollah should also fire a few rounds at israel to remind them of how capable their rockets are.

reply to post by jam321
Yeah Hamas has bitten off far more than it can chew. Israel is not going to stop now. Hamas is not reasonable as an idea for living with, Israel already tonight is massing ground forces along the length of the Gaza territory. Air strikes are a temporary measure, pushing forward with armour right to the sea will mean effective regime change. This may mean another generational occupation, it will also mean one less Iranian foreign legion on Israels border. The locals had their chance, through the democratic vote they blew it. Tell 'em prepare for IDF tonight.