Scores killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza

Originally posted by Runningtobabylon
If you would of cared to look at my post you would see its not
Stop trying to ignore plain facts
Here look for yourself
Hamas Charter

Like this lovely, peace inspiring part:

nevertheless, the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).

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That is the part i adress in my post
That is from the koran , That was not thought up by hamas

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did you even Read the Link i gave you?

Palestine was here way before 1940s and 30s
it has been mentioned Hundreds of Times in documentation

read the Link i gave it gives examples of Inhabitants and the people that lived on the Land.

Originally posted by bodrul
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mmh, Palestine was here well before Britain anaxed most the land and handed it to Jewish Refugees, as a Home land for Jews,

good read

www.palestinehistory.com...

Damn talk about shrinking

Theres no such thing as Israel, its only Palestine. Keep in mind it was stolen from them and given away illegally by the UN.


[edit on 27-12-2008 by Skittle]

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AGAIN TAC Violation, you really need to stop with the personal insults.

Didn't the mods that warned you about your TAC violating u2u's are no more acceptable in posts than in u2u's?

Please try to stick to the subject.

the subject being Israel's "RESPONCE" to over a week of Hamas daily attacks.

reply to post by Majorion
well said. this is a travesty, a slaughter. when i saw it this morning, it literally made me sick at my stomach.

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I responded to your post too :-)

Sorry for the one line post

[edit on 12/27/08 by redhatty]

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I am sure they have anti Arab and anti Muslim text books. maybe even websites; how else can you explain their same standard factually devoid statements all over the net. What is even crazier is that these atheist zionists push religious mythology at us and we aren't even Jews?

Anyway, conducting field trips for Israeli kids to graffiti artillery shells is far more instructive in the hate front.

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and that was a reply to your response to me
could you also Post The surah and paragraph you got Kill Jews from.
thanks in advance.

i dont really do Religion on ATS, but i will make an exception on this topic

[edit on 27-12-2008 by bodrul]

People can't even act civil in this thread and this is just some words. How do you expect either of the groups that have weapons to act any better? Sadly this is humanity of most of the worlds core behaviors and its the world we live in.

The part that is always odd to me is why the people stay. You can say they have no place to go but I'm sure at one point in their lives that could have left and they knew the region is constantly in unrest. For example, the link that showed the police ceremony taking place. Why would you hold a ceremony in a place that the day before was told would probably be bombed?

It also seems odd that they decided to start this all up on the anniversary of the Bhutto assassination.

If you could take one thing from this thread I would suggest you leave the hate talk and anger and take a bit of the sobriety of how short life can be. Is the end of the world today? Probably not, but you never know how long you have so make sure you make the best of what you've got.

Originally posted by RFBurns
Ya that is definately some textbook for kids!!! Excellent example!

Here it is again.

Israeli kids signing ammunition.

Cheers!!!!

Ah yes, Pic from the Israeli Lebanon war the kids are writing ”To Nasrallah, with love from Israeli children”... Nasrallah is the Hezbolah leader who coordinates the launching of rockets from Lebanon at Israeli civillians across the border.

Also, IIRC it was later revealed that the journalist put the kids up to this just for the photo op and that the Israeli kids would not normally have done that on their own.

Good propaganda - it is still working for you

Originally posted by bodrul
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and that was a reply to your response to me

could you also Post The surah and paragraph you got Kill Jews from.
thanks in advance.

i dont really do Religion on ATS, but i will make an exception on this topic

[edit on 27-12-2008 by bodrul]

Sorry if you misunderstood, that came from the Hamas Charter.

ETA: link to charter

[edit on 12/27/08 by redhatty]

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So the journalist brought the Israeli kids to a military munitions dump. And what did the officer in charge have to say about that?

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why you think i havent taken part in any topic as soon as religion in brought in,
turns into the spanish inquisition

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Now your just twisting the facts to try to support your innocent Israeli stance. Havent you figured it out yet, that BOTH are wrong, as I have been saying now for the last what...17 18 pages worth?

Ya its only propeganda if it only applies to one side when both do the same thing and the other side is called something else and not propeganda...but is in fact the same thing and applies to both.

Sure looks like Israeli kids to me smiling and signing those things that end up killing other kids and not intended military targets.

Same happens to the other too. So...with that in mind...where is the right in all of this?

There isnt any.




Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by bodrul
Palestinian civilians were dieing anyway

Yes - Palestinian civilians are definitely in a predicament. But both Israel and Palestinian authorities are to blame for this predicament, not just Israel. If the Palestinian leadership was willing to forget, forgive and move on - if only to improve the life of future generations - it could have done so, and it could have resulted in peace and stability (I know it's a far shot). But no - it has to be a goddamn never ending vendetta.

As I said - this is a political game for both sides. Not just this current conflict, but the entire history of the strife. Egos and vengence prevail over civility and common sense. Hamas, Fatah, and Israeli government are all to blame - for deaths on all sides.

Originally posted by bodrul
even during Ceasefires Israel maintained the right to target assasinate hamas members, what kind of cease fire allows one side to carry on killing and expecting the other side to sit quitely and take it up the rear?

That's because ceasefires in Israeli-Palestinian conflicts do not amount to peace or to an actual "ceasefire". They simply give two sides a chance to reorganize, reshuffle, and arm. Meanwhile both sides strike against targets of opportunity either in vengence for the past on in anticipation of conflicts to come.

Originally posted by bodrul
their blockades and starving people untill breaking point , only to let in a trickle of food and supplies didnt help either.

If Hamas didn't mix the food coming in with weapons, maybe the supply routes would not have been cut off. It is a never ending arguement that goes back and forth see? That is why this arguing is useless. What is useful is approaching the situation from a neutral point of view and trying to assess why each side is acting in the way they are.

Originally posted by bodrul
people are screaming Hamas firing rockets but they seem to downsize
Israels contribution and what they are doing.

And other people are screaming that Israel is attacking poor defenseless Hamas in an act of genocide. Back and forth, back and forth... I am not choosing a side in this bloody mess - it is useless to do so.

Originally posted by bodrul
the polititions in the UK are downsizing Israels acts and blaming hamas all the way, just like when polititions didnt want anything to do with germany and made pro german speaches.

And you don't see why the UK government is doing this? Every government has an agenda, and they will spin the events to fit that agenda. UK's politicians have a clear agenda, which is similar to that of US - which is why the two nations will never stop supporting Israel (not even with Obama).


[edit on 27-12-2008 by maloy]

How Israel led Hamas into false sense of security

Carefully calculated maneuvers utilized by cabinet lulled Islamist group into arrogant calm ahead of airstrike offensive in bid to maintain element of surprise. Primary aim of operation is to stop rocket attacks on Israel's south, rebuild deterrence...

"Hamas pulled its people out of hiding and resumed normal operations," said the sources. "It would seem that Hamas believes the Israeli media, and thought it had a few more days before Israel launched an operation… once the tactical opportunity presented itself, the prime minister called Barak and Livni to his home on Friday night and they made the decision."

www.ynetnews.com...


- Yeah, keep believing to Zionist media!

"We report, you decide, what we want..."

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Good. I personally don't bring religion into the zionist debate even if Palestinians are being killed in Gaza as we speak.

I would be an opportunity for atheist zionists to cry antiSemite while the Semite Palestinians are dying. Not pleasant.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
reply to post by redhatty

 

So the journalist brought the Israeli kids to a military munitions dump. And what did the officer in charge have to say about that?

The children were from Kiryat Shmona, which is right on the border with Lebanon and had been hit by Hizbullah rockets.

The reporter insists that nobody who was there spoke with hatred about the Lebanese.

The children had been scared by the rockets and had been cooped up in underground shelters for five days and were probably a bit giddy at being outside and at the interest from photographers. An Israeli unit was in the town and some 12 photographers were taking pictures.

According to the account, some of the parents wrote messages to Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah and then they handed the markers to the children who started drawing Israeli flags on the shells. The photographers, looking for a powerful image, had found one.