Making inmates pay for food

"In 2001, Human Rights Watch released a report that gathered data from various surveys and studies which revealed that at least 20 percent of all inmates are sexually assaulted and at least 7 percent are raped. "

These are the twenty percent that cannot afford to pay their attackers.

twenty percent Sexually assault = 20 percent forced to give oral sex to another prisoner.

How many millions of prisoner does America Have? How any Hundreds of Thousands are being Sexually Assaulted. How many millions have been sexually assaulted in the past decade alone in US prisons?

It is disgusting how some members have tried to minimize this cruel and disgusting crime, especially when they say 'only twenty percent and 7 percent assraped... could be worse lalalala....' or something to that effect.

Then you have the members who think the prisoners shouldn't be fed, or should be forced to pay for food.... many advocate this.

Propaganda and brainwashing is clearly working. Such people have been completely desensitized to the point where they have no humanity left.

Nowadays it is funny to laugh when someone gets hurt. It is funny to watch videos of people in pain. It is fun to play games where you kill hundreds of people per hour. It is fun to be cruel.

Too many people are heartless nowadays. It wasn't always like this, at least in the West.

Example: America now sexually tortures the children of suspected terrorists in front of their parents in order to obtain intelligence (Google: John Yoo torture Memo). But hey, so does Jack Bauer, so that makes it cool and fun.

Just look at the torture flicks the Youth of Today now enjoy... I can't even listen to them, they are so horrible. Yet today, this is entertainment - I call it Pavlovian Conditioning and Desensitization, because that is what it is. And look at the effects it has had on people. Just read this thread.


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reply to post by xstealth
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I have a daughter from my first marriage. I paid my child support ahead of time every month for 14 years. I did without so my daughter wouldnt have to. You are a joke taking up for a deadbeat dad. If you wont pay the bills, dont do the Jills. I think non payment of child support is a crime that should be treated as a felony. As for your weed and its their right. As long as the law says it isnt. It isnt. I know weed isnt the end all of drugs. But it is illegal. Just like driving drunk. Driving with red eyes and a buzz from weed. Just as dangerous. Drugs are a problem because a lot of people that do them dont work and go out and steal and rob so they can buy the drugs that you say is their right to use. You are a joke.

I think they should create some kind of program where they can work from the jail while paying for their stay/food + gain work experience + keeps them busy.

reply to post by Dreemer


true...

Society is in this constant embalance.

Man kind have been treating offender =s like ==$@$$@ for eons....

And crime has increases.

ITS working well!

reply to post by Al-Mahdi


You are also a proponent of the Mexican Policy. That is Wrong.

When a Person is sentenced to Any amount of time in Jail, It is our Obligation to feed and clothe and maintain that person throughout their sentence.

They aren't being sentenced to 'Five years plus cost of food, cloth, heating, healthcare, shelter and protection' - they are being punished and that punishment is their Incarceration/Forced Separation From Society.
...This is it, that is all.

I am disgusted by the large number of members who advocate such an inhumane and Cruel and Unusual Punishment, which is what advocate so casually on this website.

Such a system would guarantee any prisoner would always be an indentured slave and always at risk of going back to jail. This system would provide and unlimited supply of labour in the form of prisoners.

Any Canadians or Americans advocating this Cruel and Unusual punishment should be ashamed of themselves. I am certainly ashamed of you.


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reply to post by titorite


Brilliant!

The system is out of control and getting worse, and all people can do is applaud as their country is turned into one giant prison. Here in Dallas County, some 20 wrongly convicted men have been released from prison on DNA evidence, some having served decades for crimes they didn't commit. There but for the grace of God go all of us.

www.cnn.com...

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It seems to me that a lot of people have had their views shaped by all the media stories of ‘club fed’, and how so many people get found not guilty because of ‘technicalities’ and such. It just ain’t so people. Any jail or prison is a horrible experience, and one only the most desperate of souls would ever want to repeat. As to technicalities and loopholes in the law, it’s called the constitution and due process, and if you want such niceties for yourselves and your loved ones, then they must apply to all.

And the whole idea of charging people who haven’t even been convicted of a crime money for keeping them in jail, and then returning them to jail where they will incur even more debt if they can’t pay, belongs in some 17th century debtors prison horror story. Not modern day America.

I would also remind folks that between privately owned prison industries, and now for profit private prisons, there’s a huge economic incentive to keep the prisons full.

www.jointogether.org...

criticalresist.live.radicaldesigns.org...

Does anyone really believe that America needs to have more people locked up than China?

reply to post by resistor

I would also remind folks that between privately owned prison industries, and now for profit private prisons, there’s a huge economic incentive to keep the prisons full.

While you are not altogether wrong, there exsists many other reasons for private prisons to be, one is the overcrowding of state and federal prisons another involves temporary holding of inmates in transfer, or even temporary holding of inmates deemed to be management problems so as to seperate them from others that may have been involved in an incident with.

posted by Dreemer
It is disgusting how some members have tried to minimize this cruel and disgusting crime, especially when they say 'only twenty percent and 7 percent assraped... could be worse lalalala....' or something to that effect

Here I was not attempting to minimalize this just stating that this is not a problem of epidemic proportion as the media and movies make it out to be, nor did I intend for you to so ignorantly butcher my point without even quoting, please attempt to stray from turning people's well thought out posts into that rubbish I quoted, respectfully

reply to post by Al-Mahdi
They do,

Sentenced inmates are required to work if they are medically able. Institution work assignments include employment in areas like food service or the warehouse, or work as an inmate orderly, plumber, painter, or groundskeeper. Inmates earn 12¢ to 40¢ per hour for these work assignments.Approximately 18% of work-eligible inmates work in Federal Prison Industries (FPI) factories. They gain marketable job skills while working in factory operations, such as metals, furniture, electronics, textiles, and graphic arts. FPI work assignments pay from 23¢ to $1.15 per hour. A high school diploma or General Educational Development (GED) certificate is required for all work assignments above entry level (lowest pay level) in either institution or FPI jobs
Sentenced inmates are required to work if they are medically able. Institution work assignments include employment in areas like food service or the warehouse, or work as an inmate orderly, plumber, painter, or groundskeeper. Inmates earn 12¢ to 40¢ per hour for these work assignments.

Approximately 18% of work-eligible inmates work in Federal Prison Industries (FPI) factories. They gain marketable job skills while working in factory operations, such as metals, furniture, electronics, textiles, and graphic arts. FPI work assignments pay from 23¢ to $1.15 per hour. A high school diploma or General Educational Development (GED) certificate is required for all work assignments above entry level (lowest pay level) in either institution or FPI jobs.

The Inmate Financial Responsibility Program (IFRP) requires inmates to make payments from their earnings to satisfy court-ordered fines, victim restitution, child support, and other monetary judgments. Some inmates are assessed a Cost of Incarceration Fee, which is collected under the IFRP. Inmates working in FPI who have financial obligations must pay 50 percent of their earnings to the IFRP. Most fine and restitution money goes to crime victims or victim support groups through the Crime Victims Fund administered by the Office for Victims of Crime in the Department of Justice.

www.bop.gov...

reply to post by alyosha1981


"members" - With an 'S'

I was not just referring to you. I am referring to all the members attempting to minimize the severity of the issue, along with those who attempt to excuse the sorry state of affairs in our prisons by saying 'at least it's not as bad mexico', or something to that effect.

Given that drug addiction is itself a DISEASE - it is telling to read the quite fascist posts here, suggesting that many/all/most people who have been jailed for using substances, 'deserve' what they get.

Thats like arguing that alcoholics or diabetics have 'a choice' - addicts DONT.

Its a kink in the hardwiring of the brain - and some people are addicted to pot, others to harder substances.

The main point, is that there's a political rightwing mentality here from some people posting - who clearly have no understanding of the medical reality of addiction, and the fact that many humans are prone to being addicted to one thing or another.

To argue that a State is 'justified' in locking up sick people, is to be arguing a neo-Nazi supremacist ideology - regardless of how you dress it up as 'people have choices in life and they should be punished for transgressing the law' - no - people dont have choices, not when it comes to addiction and substances, any more than they have choices about their sexuality.

Other countries have accepted that addiction is a disease, and operate accordingly - the US on the other hand, is still in some primitive Stone Age where there's no comprehension of the medical and scientific facts.

Posters seem to delight in arguing for the punishment of the sick - which says a LOT about the quite vicious political beliefs of these posters.

The day may come where you find yourself in the can, and when that day comes pray you find kindness.

The pig in AZ, Jail em Joe is a media junkie,

I hope someday that he is caught doing something wrong and has to wear pink jumpsuit and live in a tent.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

reply to post by Swatman


He is B.S. . I have lived in a tent in 115 degrees, and it made me want to get out of my tent and locate, close with, and destroy my enemies by fire and maneuver that much faster. What he is doing is fueling the fire. It is creating a negative atmosphere and that breeds negativity. It won't teach them anything but hate.

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Originally posted by wheresthetruth
Marine, sorry to hear about your rough time after getting back. I sincerely doubt your service was taken into account or any type of civilian life adjustment and wartime stress was considered in your sentence. My earlier story about going to jail happened while I was exiting about 7 months back from Desert Storm. War vet, soldier, good citizen making one bad choice...it all seems to balance out to even in the eyes of the law. However, like I said, it was a choice made and punishment served.

Some lately mentioned the tent cities being good enough for the prisoners. Of course they are. In basic training, a poncho is a tent in the rain or extreme heat. Thats what I was taught to sleep in on drills. In Desert Storm, the only shelter was a vehicle or a tent. At least those prisoners dont have to pack them up and move them every couple of weeks (and leave little to no trace evidence behind). I am pretty sure that they do not suffer the "sin" of having to dig a 5x5x5 hole to bury a cigarette butt when they drop one on the ground. Guess who spent a day doing that? I wonder if they have ever had to dig a hole in the sand, jump in and sleep standing up (foxhole perimeter)? Doubtful. Guess who did that?

You want to harp on how bad they have it. I didnt commit a crime, I chose to serve my country and I think I have been through some pretty harsh times for that judgment call. I am not bitter or mad about it. It was part of what was to be expected. Its sort of like committing a crime and being told what to expect when you go to prison. You may not want it or like it, but you did make the decision to place yourself in that situation.

I have some sympathy for people who make genuine mistakes in judgment, or commit lesser crimes and get harsh punishment. However, as long as the law is applicable to everyone, then the field is level and you have only self to blame for the outcome.

Thank you, and I see where you are coming from. They probobly aren't burning their s#@#, and some MRE's are barely edible. They aren't getting shelled, or having some butter-bar 2nd leiutenant that just got out of OCS lead them into combat when he doesn't know s!@!. We signed that contract though, they didn't sign anything. In some cases they don't even know that they are doing anything wrong. We were with the best of the best in the worst, and that's what made it tolerable. We had each others back,and you could count on the guy next to you, and trust him with your life. For them, that is not so. They are with the worst of the worst in the worst and don't have sentrys(who shouldn't be sleeping on perimiter guard...haha) to alert them if something is up, and they have to worry about the guy next to them and can't tust anyone. It's different for them in those bivis then it was for us. They aren't in there with 17 of they're buddies who would die for them, you know what I mean. They are "sleeping with the enemy''.

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reply to post by verylowfrequency


Thank you and I know there must be other avenues to success, I just can't find them with all of this hate and resentment built up inside me. I know I need to adapt to my situation and overcome it, I just don't know if I am up to it. I don't even know if I still get my G.I. bill with a felony and 4 years passed by. I know in my heart that one day I,ll feel alright about evereything and be comfortable, but that isn't what I wanted out of life. I wanted to do big things, make a difference, "sky's the limit" type things. I have many limits now. I could not even vote in this past election. I am a third class citizen and that cannot change. I have the scarlet letter except mine isn't on my chest, it just comes up on a computer anytime I want to do anything. This system needs to change.

[edit on 19-12-2008 by devildogUSMC]

reply to post by devildogUSMC


You should still be eligible for the new GI bill that takes effect in August, especially if you havn't used any benefits yet. I would also check into financial aid. If you can get it take some of the money to get your felony expunged from record. Lastly there are ways into the Army National Guard with felonies. The Guard will help pay for school, probably give you a bonus and a GI bill kicker.

Why is this even a question??? I live in the south and I would love to see chain gangs again. THEY commited a crime and probably in most cases murder, THEY have no rights. If it were up to me we would have PPV executions and that money would help fund stuff like SS and road improvments.
The justice system is a failing system

My views are for haness crimes / murder / molestation / rape

OK I have not read anything else in this post except the title. But here's my take:

Everyone on earth unless they are disabled should have to perform some kind of productive work; it helps to define the individual's humanity. Productive work is a pillar of society; how can prisoners ever be expected to survive outside without committing crime unless they have learned a work ethic? If they will not learn it, it should be forced upon them. This is what I do with my 9- and 11-year-old kids.; I FORCE them to learn to work for what they get. If they do not learn it now, they are in for a rude awakening when they are out on their own.

That having been said, we now progress to the OP headline: "Making Inmates Pay for Food".

What is the problem here? **???**

I have to work for my food. My husband has to work or our entire family starves. People all over the world have to work harder and for less food than any American inmate. People in other places would do ANYTHING, no matter how demeaning, if it meant they could eat, even just for ONE DAY.

Precisely why should inmates NOT have to work for their food? Have they done something so deserving of our magnanimous gastronomic support? Or have they won the "food lottery": free food for life!

I don't get it.

reply to post by MikeboydUS


Thank you commander. I cannot get back into the military because I have been diagnosed with P.T.S.D., which the V.A. initially said I did not have.
The V.A. hospitals another joke, but that's a different topic. Motrin and crutches fix everything there.

reply to post by OuttaHere

well as you stated you had not read any of the thread except the title so maybe reading some of the posts would give you a better idea as to why or why not inmates should pay or work for their food

reply to post by OuttaHere


You have to be kidding me. Yeah, free food for life, and no women, and living in constant fear or aggression, and everything that comes with that wonderful "food". You eat that s@#@ for life and tell me if it's a good thing. Deny ignorance right? Look up ignorance and then comment on jail food. I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful, but honestly.