Making inmates pay for food

for those that do not know about sheriff joe. He is the reason crime is being handled properly here in arizona. the no new illegal immigrant hires, tough sentences on DUI arrests, and making criminals live in tent city and converting their old jail into an animal rescue shelter was the geatest thing this city has ever done

Here's a good link that will provide good information,www.insideprison.com...
I think that this thread has kinda gone off topic a bit, but hey what do I know. The victims of crime weather it be violent or property tend to lean more on the heavy handed aspect of punishment as I see by alot of "pro" topic poster's on the other hand people who themselve's have been incarcerated or maybe have family currently in a jail or prison tend to lean more to the "inmates are not animals" side now regardless of what side of this one finds themself, you have to remember that we are all human and as such have feelings regardless of any criminal misgivings we all have basic needs and that rational thought in this area is paramount. It is a well known fact that the prison system in the U.S is overpopulated and there is a multitude of reasons for that, the criminal justice system will ultimatley evolve as is has continued to do for generations, tatics will be tried and tested some will work and others will fail, there will always be crime in one form or another and with that comes punishment and of course all other factors in that spectrum. The basic right of addaquate nutrition should never be used as a form of punishment as this is clearly cruel and unusuall. I feel that a majority of the posters on this topic clearly have never been to nor even so much seen a decent prison documentery and just jump on whatever bandwagon best represents their personal opinions, don't be so quick to light the torches and grab the pitchforks, because as we have read in subsequent posts, anybody can be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

reply to post by Swatman


Oh come on. "yeah put em' in tents, that'll teach em'" Why, why tents? Have you ever lived in a bivi? It is terrible to think this type of thinking gets somone re-rlected. This man is plaim rediculous and I cannot believe that people buy into this.

Originally posted by devildogUSMC
reply to post by Swatman

 

Oh come on. "yeah put em' in tents, that'll teach em'" Why, why tents? Have you ever lived in a bivi? It is terrible to think this type of thinking gets somone re-rlected. This man is plaim rediculous and I cannot believe that people buy into this.

you cannot judge for you do not live in his jurisdiction. why tents???? live in a tent in 115 degrees. will make you think twice about committing another crime. he gets re elected because of his no BS stance on anything

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by redhead57
Where do you get the idea that inmates get free televisions???? They get two sets of clothing, underwear, socks and one pair of boots. One roll of toilet paper a month, and one bar of soap. IF they don't have any family they have to somehow purchase deodorant, shampoo, toothpaste and other necessities from the $10 or $15 dollars they earn for the work they do. Prison is a nightmare, for those incarcerated and for the family that has done no wrong.

Prison should NOT be a piece of cake. It is PUNISHMENT. And their families? The hell families go thru is the fault of the convict.

And spend a Saturday night watching MSNBC show "lock up". That is a real eye opener to the luxuries these convicts can have.

My fondest wish for those of you that think Joe is such a good guy is the following. I hope that someone breaks into your home and you defend your home and end up going to prison for assault or worse. I hope that someone attacks you and in defending yourself you end up with a murder or assault charge. Then you can sit and rot away while judgmental bigots just like you say you deserve to be treated less than human.

Unbelievable. Sympathize with the criminals and wish harm upon those who follow the law.

Wow, we truly do live in Alice and Wonderland.

[edit on 12/18/2008 by greeneyedleo]

ARE you talking about terrorists, ARABS or prisioners???

Kill zem all!!!

BURN ZEM IN ZEE FREIGHT ROOM!

I'm gonna knock out a few key front teeth, self inflict some mild TBI and pump every cousin I have regardless of sex, age or WEIGHT!

YE HAW!

Originally posted by truthquest
Nothing sickens me more than someone getting punished by cops or by the feds when they have not even been convicted of anything. And nothing sickens me more than someone getting punished without it being an explicit punishment from the judge!

If the judges it doesn't say a person has to eat vomit-flavored @#$% as punishment then its a disgusting sadistic crime to feed them that! Purely sadistic. Next prison cops will just go ahead and add a couple years to people's sentence because oh... well you have to punish them they are criminals. Hell no that is a gross violation. Punishments, fees, fines, etc are determined by a judge not some sadistic hypocrite running a prison or jail.

People who run a jail need to know their proper place is providing not only security and the required punishments but also the basic needs of the prisoners to the same high standard that everybody else gets!

The same high standards? Who's "everybody else"?

I don't have a right to Cable TV
I don't have a right to medical care
I don't have a right to three meals a day
I don't have a right to access to an up to date Law Library
I don't have a right to AC in the summer or heat in the Winter.

Everybody does not "get" these high standards.

For those who don't know here is some footage detailing the Maricopa County jail and some of the questionable living conditions,
note how the chain gang is volluntary and not forced and also provides benifits such as "good time" I'm not saying that all in Maricopa county is bad some of this might acctually be good but I digress to my origional post it won't work country wide.

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reply to post by chasm


I don't have a right to medical care
I don't have a right to three meals a day
I don't have a right to access to an up to date Law Library
I don't have a right to AC in the summer or heat in the Winter.

*It is a shame you don't live in a Country that provides you with these basis things.

In Canada, All of those things are provided under our Socialized system. You need only apply for them and the good people of Canada will proudly help you. I will help you. I love my fellow Man.

*In Canada we TV keep prisoners passive. TVs in a cell are used as rewards. You are lying about it being a "right".

So many people here have had their Humanity Conditioned out of them. I am saddened by it.

[edit on 19-12-2008 by Dreemer]

Originally posted by alyosha1981
note how the chain gang is volluntary and not forced and also provides benifits such as "good time" I'm not saying that all in Maricopa county is bad some of this might acctually be good but I digress to my origional post it won't work country wide.

[edit on 19-12-2008 by alyosha1981]

good video. goes to show you the prisoners even like the chain gang. *ive seen them on the sides of roads*.

they gonna make them pay for sex too?

Prison is punishment, the inmates should have no luxury items. I just had a friend get out of tent city a few months back. He said it was really no big deal.


But Sheriff Joe is one bad guy. 40 million dollars in law suits many of them wrongful death. Deaths caused by his guards, from refusing inmates medical care to actually beaing people to death, some while strapped to his "interregation chair"....seriously. I'm pretty sure a flesh eating bacteria was going around the jail because of the unsanitary conditions....think about that.

Many of the people in his system have not even gone to trial yet.

This guy thinks he can operate above the law and that really scares me. He freakin arrested the editor of the New Times because he wouldn't hand over the names of people who had visited the website in the last 6 months because they had his address printed in article (which was already avaliable on-line) .

I would think more of you would realize he is a dangerous individual.

google Joe Arrapio and New Times to read all about it.

Arpaio does not get reelected because of his "wonderful results".

He is nothing but a cesspit of corruption, and he gets elected through bribery and abuse of power. He arrests newspaper reporters who write bad reports about him, and in fact in his last election he ARRESTED HIS OPPONENT ON FALSE CHARGES!!!

To glorify Arpaio for his results is to glorify Bush for his Profiteering for his cohorts... It is to hold up and glorify the very things which pull the US down.

reply to post by Marked One


All jail should do this. I personally think they should limit the amount an inmate has in an account to begin with, gross amounts should be removed and returned to the sender. It is quite clear what all the extra bucks are for, needs are minimal in jail.

I guess everyone just has to ask themselves. Are you here to make the world a better place than when you got here or are you just a selfish POS? That's really the bottom line.

A few posters here belong in that club (selfish POS's) - that put down others in order to elevate their own status, since they have not made poor decisions (maybe just not caught) or just didn't grow up with the wrong set of circumstances or don't have a brain that just wasn't wired as well.

I have no doubt that there's allot of people in Jail & Prison also, fit in that selfish POS category, I know cause I've been there done that. I have no doubt met some of the lowest scum on the planet there, including both inmates and staff - though less so with the staff - still some staff are horrible decrepit human beings (I believe some may not even be human) equal to some of the worst inmates in for killing , raping or torturing other human beings. However I've also met a few very bright good souls there - staff & inmate.

While there is a larger percentage of scum than you would find at most places, the fact is most of them aren't much different or much worse then anyone else, they've just look spookier because it's part of the game of incarceration and eventually we all become more like those we hang around.

Bottom line is - We either have to put them away forever (and figure out which ones are unfixable) or we have to try to make them better people that will fit in our society and follow its rules.

Seems there's allot of jealousy by a few posters here because some people need more money and more training in order to become good productive citizens.

When we torture folks and create beasts out of them expecting that they will go away and leave us alone after they get out - are we really that surprised when they break in your house - steal your stuff for a hit and rape and pillage the town, because that's what we let them do in prison and that's what prison taught them?

I know torture, rape, desperation, evil, cruelty, brutality, death & near death.
I've been around some of the best and worst beings on this planet and when I look at people I can read them almost immediately.

I think most of the bad words I read from some on this thread are just left over programing that you are regurgitating, and though I don't despise you, I can see what you are yet unable to see, due to your own circumstances. (funny I see criminals the same way) Even though you may fit in our society better than the "criminals" I don't elevate you above them as you elevate yourselves because I know the little things that make the differences don't amount to much.

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reply to post by space cadet


"It is quite clear what all the extra bucks are for"

Are you saying we should take away the ability of the smaller prisoners to prevent themselves being raped by paying their potential attackers?

'Bubba' will rape your ass, if you don't got the money to pay him not to.

You are "Pro Jail Rape" then...

reply to post by Dreemer


Never looked at that way, but no I don't want to contribute to anyone getting their back door broke into, how much do you think they have to pay for that?

how long will it be though before prisons become part of free labor in that the corporations get free labor out of them and the Govt starts locking people up left and right and put you too work for food and rent.

reply to post by space cadet

Never looked at that way, but no I don't want to contribute to anyone getting their back door broke into, how much do you think they have to pay for that?

Whatever requested I suppose, but lets put the whole prison rape into perspective, because besides the drug topics it seems that many posters are fixated with this concept that has been completly blown out of proportion by the media as well as movies:

In 2001, Human Rights Watch released a report that gathered data from various surveys and studies which revealed that at least 20 percent of all inmates are sexually assaulted and at least 7 percent are raped.

this is a small percentage of the total population and does not mean that if one goes to prison that this will automaticly happen. now can we please get back on topic?

Link to report www.anairhoads.org...

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Marine, sorry to hear about your rough time after getting back. I sincerely doubt your service was taken into account or any type of civilian life adjustment and wartime stress was considered in your sentence. My earlier story about going to jail happened while I was exiting about 7 months back from Desert Storm. War vet, soldier, good citizen making one bad choice...it all seems to balance out to even in the eyes of the law. However, like I said, it was a choice made and punishment served.

Some lately mentioned the tent cities being good enough for the prisoners. Of course they are. In basic training, a poncho is a tent in the rain or extreme heat. Thats what I was taught to sleep in on drills. In Desert Storm, the only shelter was a vehicle or a tent. At least those prisoners dont have to pack them up and move them every couple of weeks (and leave little to no trace evidence behind). I am pretty sure that they do not suffer the "sin" of having to dig a 5x5x5 hole to bury a cigarette butt when they drop one on the ground. Guess who spent a day doing that? I wonder if they have ever had to dig a hole in the sand, jump in and sleep standing up (foxhole perimeter)? Doubtful. Guess who did that?

You want to harp on how bad they have it. I didnt commit a crime, I chose to serve my country and I think I have been through some pretty harsh times for that judgment call. I am not bitter or mad about it. It was part of what was to be expected. Its sort of like committing a crime and being told what to expect when you go to prison. You may not want it or like it, but you did make the decision to place yourself in that situation.

I have some sympathy for people who make genuine mistakes in judgment, or commit lesser crimes and get harsh punishment. However, as long as the law is applicable to everyone, then the field is level and you have only self to blame for the outcome.

reply to post by devildogUSMC


I'm too am sorry for what happened to you, but like many others you have had a rude awakening. It is not quite how you were taught, is it?

On top of that you were trained to be a baddass, and take peoples heads off by our government - funny they forgot to pay for your deprogramming.

Most of the police are trained to arrest people like you and the courts get their funding from both all taxpayers and in addition law breakers like you who pay twice or in your case three times.

The big lie (or big joke depending on your perspective) that most everyone believes until it happens to them is - only bad evil people and miscreants get caught up in the system.

You are not allowed to defend yourself in public, you must call the police and then become a part of the system, since you put yourself in that position.

Anyhow - I just wanted to say. Your life is not ruined, dude. It's just a bit more complicated to become successful. Just look at it like this - it's a bit more of a challenge for you, but once you become successful again it will taste much better and you will have seen both sides which gives you a better perspective than most - that is your advantage.