Just wondering, why do so many of you seem to hate Jesus?

reply to post by dominicus

Whereas if you haven't walk the Christ path sincerely and genuinely, then your're merely speculating, as an outsider, about a direct experience that you have no clue about.

As a newly created/reborn athiest(ex Roman Catholic 46yrs) I recently discovered that I don't want anyone to try to walk in those paths. I believe god killed 2million plus for things as small as adultery. I don't know about you but I think thats excessive. And killing children and the rape. I'm amazed it took 46yrs. I'm awake now. Oh well...

I just think that everything evil is done in the name of religion. All wars in some respect. Without it there would be peace.

By the the way flagged... Get's people thinking... Good questions..
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I want to say first that I really like these forums and the people on it seem to be for the most part searching for answers on a variety of topics. I hope the things i say do not sound in anyway condescending or arrogant, many of you have been on the journey of trying to find answer to very deep questions alot longer than I have and a respect that.


These are a few verses that shed alittle light possibly

1 Corinthians 1:23 but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles(non Jew)

Romans 9:33 as it is written, "See, I am laying in Zion a stone that will make people stumble, a rock that will make them fall, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame."

The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians 2:14, NIV)

"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and will bring to nothing the understanding of the
prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is
the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the
wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God
the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the
foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."
1 Corinthians 1:19-21, KJV

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain
deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of
the world, and not after Christ."
Colossians 2:8, KJV

When I look at the Bible I see many things that connect with my soul, I personally have never seen a more pure and lovely thing than what happens in a persons life who truly accepts Christ.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
[What I think is "where are these people that hate Jesus?".

It's a strawman that Christians are waving about left, right and centre, but where's the hate for Jesus here? On this board?

Many people have gone at lengths to politely explain that they don't "hate" Jesus at all all. The problem lies with some Christians. It's not a difficult point to take on board and yet so many of them seem unable to accept it.

Sure, if you say so. I wouldn't class myself as a good example of a christian but I have some beliefs. There is a lot of evidence for the ressurection of Jesus and something seems to click with his sacrifice on the cross. However, I believe in evolution which is a problem to some church people. All the best.

Grandma,
I have watched part 1 ,2 , and 3 I havent got to part 4 and this is some
eye opening expeirences here. I cant wait til I get to see the rest of the other parts of what you are telling. I would imagine that there are alot
that you can not share because it will be hard for us to understand.

thank you for posting the links and being open to your expeirences.

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crazyjames:

There is much more. My daughter Leo Virgo wants to finish video taping the rest of the journey I experienced. There were things that I was shown that I was not to tell and I must admit I have no memory but just a faint veil remains. I know some will think it is the medication and just an old lady seeing things.
Yeah, not only seeing them but talking to them and they were talking back. I am glad you are finding the tapes of interest to you.


Peace to you,
Grandma

Who is Jesus? Isn't he only a tool of God?
So, why do so many people care more of Jesus than God?

no way is it the medicane.

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It would seem to me that you are more Gnostic in your beliefs than Pistic, is that correct? It seems that you do not feel that the Bible is inerrant, nor necessary for your beliefs.

I'd say Im more "Christian Mystic" in my beliefs ...but at the same time I dont operate on beliefs, I get shown and revealed things and then I "know" them transcendentally. Its the activation of Divine experiences that the Bible leads to.

It's like a map, follow this road and you will get to the land of Infinity, Etrnity, the true "Home"

I can't claim any of those labels, except "christian+mystic" together.

For me its all about reading the words of those who others saw as being just like Jesus, miracle, revelations, etc. Even Grandma here had an NDE and saw "things up "there."

If some priests writes a book but only has logic + reason I could care less because its academia. If some priest writes a book and had a stigmata atributed to him, i.e. Padre Pio, then I'll read his book w. the utmost attention knowing that he knows truth that is beyond the worlds truth.
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Grandma,
I love you, i would never judge you. Just saying there are tons of Christians giving Jesus a bad name. They're the ones that dont act any different then anyone else, and the ones that eventually will leave "the path." If you know thats not you, then your fine. But if your a Christian and you take offense to this statement, then it may seem you are in the former group, which I doubt but who knows.

So is your feeling that some people hate Jesus a temporal experience, or something you feel spiritually?

I'm trying to figure out why you think people "hate" Jesus.

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Welcome to the world of reason and tolerance, do you still believe in a creator god of any sort or are you 100% atheist no doubt ?




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You claim that there is a lot of evidenc for the resurection of jesus, could you point us in the direction of this evidence ?

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Once again I have to give you a blue star for this post, your description of your beliefs (opinions , as they dont appear to be unmovable,) are a breath of fresh air.

Maybe if more christians had an open minded enquiring attitude such as yours societies could well become a little more evolved and tolerant.


Tolerance like charity should begin at home should it not ? surely it is those that profess to being tolerant that should set the example.

Your post give me the impression that you begin with tolerance and intelligence, not dogma and blind faith. This (if I'm correct in my assumption) is the complete opposite of the majority of christians. Who (from what I see) given the oportunity and right conditions, would inflict their dogma upon everyone else.

reply to post by dominicus


The mythical Jesus did not exist. Early Christians only believed in a Spirit God. The facts are that the whole story was well known five or six thousand years ago. We can prove all of this with solid facts which still exist in the ancient Temples of Egypt. The first two chapters of Luke are clearly engraved on a wall in King Solomon's (SalimYmn III) Temple and the glyphs tell almost the same story.

Your are completely wrong with your percentages. This knowledge is spreading like a fire out of control. You are also counting people who will say Christian when asked, but who never attend Church.

As for hate, this is what the gospels teach you. If you do not know this then you cannot ever have read the bible or understood the vile things it is teaching. Luke 14:26 specificially says that you cannot follow Jesus unless you hate your mother, hate your father, hate your sisters, hate your brothers.

Do you really want to teach your children this verse from the bible:

Psalms 137:9 Happy [shall he be], that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Other verses in the Bible teach cannibalism, and to kill, murder and rape.

You only have to look at the history of the Church and what Christians are still doing today, to see that this cult is utterly evil. Two thousand years of killing, genocide, massacres and all in the name of Christianity.

We have had enough of it.

Originally, I thought it was a stupid thread because no one hates Jesus. The OP was asked over and over to offer evidence of this hatred for Jesus and never provided.

Now....I hate Jesus because I am sick of seeing his name every time this thread pops back up to the top.

You know, I thought at first the OP just labeled everyone who didn't share his point of view. . . as in not loving Jesus like he did then they must hate him.

But after reading his posts, I believe that he has some sort of mystical experience which leads him to believe some people hate Jesus. Not people here, but in the world. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I am guessing that this was some sort of spiritual experience, not that people come up to him and say, "I hate Jesus."

There are quite a few people who believe that there is a battle between the forces of darkness and light and if you are not one of the lightbearers, then you are on the other side.

I would like to hear from the OP and hope he explains himself, because I really believe it may be partly due to miscommunication.

I have met Jesus but I have never hated him. Even Jesus the illegal immigrant I do not hate. I feel he is wrong for entering the country illegally and undermines citizen's ability to barter for better wages and conditions but I do not hate him.

Every Jesus I have ever met had a face but still I do not recall ever hating any of them.

I do not see how I could hate any Jesus whom I have never met.

Regarding all of the JC/GOD/HG "believers" out their who are saying that no-one hates The Big JC; I have to say, respectfully, of course, your all wrong.

My reason is simple. There's a lot of "us" on THIS planet, agreed? Out of all of us their has to be a "few" of them that hold a certain grudge towards the all mighty 'man'. Id say maybe 10 - 100 thousand. And thats depending, mainly on how many of the "Fallen-Angels" are chilling on Earth.

*NOTE*
Im sure not all of the Fallen ones Hate him now. Although, contrary to what many(Many) believe, I have been wrong before.


Either way, thats just my intoxicated thought for the night.

-CHEERS-

I posted this thread because I have come across at lest 3 people out in a public setting, that have clearly stated, when Jesus was brought up, that they hate the guy, want nothing to do with him, and lets move on. 2 were atheists and 1 was an orthodox Jew who basically stated he hated Jesus because of Messianic Jews (Jews that follow Jesus) So what can I do to offer evidence of these 3 interactions I had w/ people who clearly stated they hated Jesus?? I didn't have a camera, nor a tape recorder, but there were other witnesses.

I posted this thread as a question here, thinking there would be similar "haters" here also. To my surprise that hasn't been the case.
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Malankhkare,
I juts said in earlier post the Bible is a number of things. Parables, poetry, perspectives, historical records, and many other things.

Any of the authors in the OT saying anything to the extent of "God loves the jews, he helped us kill the other army." But then say, "God must be pissed at the Jews, we have no place to go and our temple has been looted."

Thats the authors perspective, Isn't it?? Yes his perspective is true, this is what he saw. As an overall picture is it true???? God loves everyone equally, so do the math. Anyone of these can turn into a whole thread by itself.

However at the same time, if the forces of Evil, knowing Jesus would be born of the Jews, as prophecy has said, knew this .....those Evil forces would do whatever it takes to completely snuff out the Jews. Historically hasn't that been the case before, during, and after Jesus?? The whole world seems to hate the Jews.

The first two chapters of Luke are clearly engraved on a wall in King Solomon's (SalimYmn III) Temple and the glyphs tell almost the same story.

If 1st 2 chapters of Luke is in King Solomons temple, cant we ascribe that to Prophecy??? If the Bible is divinely inspired then whats wrong w/ 2 authors getting the same "insight"?

Your are completely wrong with your percentages.

As for my percentages, can you post some links to at least a large number of respected Historians or other members of Academia who dont believe Jesus ever existed??? I've personally read the philosophies of a few of these, but not too many others take them seriously.

understood the vile things it is teaching. Luke 14:26 specificially

Luke 14:26 isnt teaching for anyone to hate anyone. Its a parable. It has many deeper mystical meanings. The Bible isn't all literal you know.

Psalms 137:9 Happy [shall he be], that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

The author(s) of Psalms clearly Loved God and wrote beautiful poetry, but at the same time still had some "anger" over those that were against him. We have uncontrolled anger and righteous anger. Uncontrolled is someone getting pissed of because its raining and they had plans to go for a walk. Righteous anger is when we hear in the news of a rape and get angry about it.

Also remember, Psalms is in the Old testament. It shows how "spiritual people" thought and acted before Jesus including all the perspectives, principles, philosophies back then. Then when Jesus came, he completely flipped the whole program and updated it to its highest form.

OT = God is on "our" side all enemies shall perish
NT = Jesus says Love your enemies and turn the other cheek not fighting back.

Very easy to take things out of context from the whole. There are many intellectual traps that way. You can say, "Oh I found this 1 part in the OT, and because I dont like it, Im throwing out the baby w/ the bath water." That's an intellectual trap keeping you from seeing the deeper transcendent and Divine things that will lead you to Enlightenment. Catholics dont even read from the OT, if so then barely a few verses here and there. And Jews specifically only follow the 1st 5 books of the OT.

That's proof of tons of people taking things out of context.

Other verses in the Bible teach cannibalism, and to kill, murder and rape.

Is this OT or NT?? and you give specifics?

You only have to look at the history of the Church and what Christians are still doing today, to see that this cult is utterly evil. Two thousand years of killing, genocide, massacres and all in the name of Christianity. We have had enough of it.

Do you not see your faulty logic in this stereotypical statement??? If what you say above is true then so are these statements:

You only have to look at the history of Guns and what they are still doing today to see that this weapon is utterly evil.

You only have to look at the history of scientists with their Nuclear weapons and GM foods and chemical weapons and what they are still doing today to see that this group is utterly evil.

You only have to look at the history of Atheism with their communism and socialism and what they are still doing today to see that this group is utterly evil.

Love is great, Positive and feels good its one of the greatest things there is. Many people have killed others for "ruining" their Love. i.e. jealous ex bf kills the new bf or a wife wants a divorce and the husband cant take the idea of not having "his Love" anymore, so he kills her.

So according to your philosophy, because we hear these stories on the news, we should "see that this Love is utterly evil. Two thousand years of killing, genocide, massacres and all in the name of Love. We have had enough of it.

I wonder........

reply to post by dominicus

You can't hate someone who no one knows anything about.

Dominicus,
I'm with you, for most of what you have been saying, and I'm not an Atheiy or a Faithy ( not trying to insult or make fun ). I'd say I'm ag'most'ic if anything. Thats like an agnostic, however, you believe in most of the things writing in scripture.

A question for you Dominicus. It's almost a reverse question to yours. Anyways, Do you think all of the "Fallen-Ones" of old and new hate the ONE known as JESUS?