Just wondering, why do so many of you seem to hate Jesus?

reply to post by moocowman


Please, do not misquote my words. I will try my best to write what is in my "personal experience". I did died. I was there in the 'Kingdom Of God'. I saw Jesus sitting in the other stone chair-seat, that was next to me. When his father, the Almighty, Creator God handed me the book to open and read, as I extended out my hand I saw, I looked at his eyes. Yes, I am a witness. I belive that I am a 'Secret Witness' of God.

Originally posted by badmedia
People don't hate Jesus, they have problems with the Pharisees - And so did Jesus.


Pharisee n.

1. A member of an ancient Jewish sect that emphasized strict interpretation and observance of the Mosaic law in both its oral and written form.
2. A hypocritically self-righteous person.

Why on earth would anyone hate Pharasee ? that seems an absurd statement, or are you talking about the times that Jesusgod was alleged to have lived ?

Originally posted by gordonwest
reply to post by moocowman

 

Please, do not misquote my words. I will try my best to write what is in my "personal experience". I did died. I was there in the 'Kingdom Of God'. I saw Jesus sitting in the other stone chair-seat, that was next to me. When his father, the Almighty, Creator God handed me the book to open and read, as I extended out my hand I saw, I looked at his eyes. Yes, I am a witness. I belive that I am a 'Secret Witness' of God.

How the hell have I missquoted you dude ?
All I'm asking is what you alleged you have seen, if you wanted to be understood then why not post that you died and such first.

So anyhow to get back to my question, when you were dead what exactly did god look like ?

Can you explain the definition of a "Secret Witness " as this seems to be a conflicting statement.


How long were you dead for and what did you die of ?

reply to post by moocowman


I have in my other post that best explains my "personal experience". I can try and answer other Questions, but I will with somebody would 'honestly' would want to listen without asking the stupid Questions.

Originally posted by moocowman
Why on earth would anyone hate Pharasee ? that seems an absurd statement, or are you talking about the times that Jesusgod was alleged to have lived ?

Did you see what a pharisee was? Did you only focus on the part about the Jewish sect?

It is the people who have the strict interpretation of the bible, and the hypocrisy it brings that people are against, not Jesus.

The church going Christians of today are the modern pharisees. Just go ahead and look in the bible, these were the people who killed Jesus. They would cite the bible directly to Jesus, but never understand it. They were the people who killed Jesus. Called them hypocrites.

What does the church/society do today to people who teach what Jesus taught? The church would kill Jesus if he came back today and gathered a follow, same as back then. Because he didn't speak in their favor then, and he wouldn't be speaking in their favor now either.

And these are the people you dislike as well - something you have in common with Jesus, go figure. As it turns out, ignorance is not what Jesus is about.


[edit on 24-11-2008 by badmedia]

Well, that's just foolishness... imputing bad motive to those you don't even know! I no "Jesus" than any other mythical figure from two millenia ago. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

People hate Jesus because of what people have done in his name.

Originally posted by redled
People hate Jesus because of what people have done in his name.

Yep, something he specifically warns about too.

Matthew 7:

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

iniquity means sin btw.

Originally posted by badmedia

Originally posted by redled
People hate Jesus because of what people have done in his name.

Yep, something he specifically warns about too.

Matthew 7:

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

iniquity means sin btw.

Yeah, but people who have been at the recieving end of it all from the Inquisition's witch hunts to the crusades, people who see children of Jehovah's Witnesses not being allowed blood transfusions so they die, or people who see the paedophilia rampant amongst priests, do you really think they give an eff about what Jesus says about it, he set it all into motion. It is arguable that that is looking at the bottle half empty, but if they are, his words are really not much solace.

Originally posted by moocowman

Originally posted by badmedia
People don't hate Jesus, they have problems with the Pharisees - And so did Jesus.


Pharisee n.

1. A member of an ancient Jewish sect that emphasized strict interpretation and observance of the Mosaic law in both its oral and written form.
2. A hypocritically self-righteous person.

Why on earth would anyone hate Pharasee ? that seems an absurd statement, or are you talking about the times that Jesusgod was alleged to have lived ?

The point they are trying to make is that People hate hypocrit's who are religious zealots.

Jesus is cool.... Christians tend to be amazingly ignorant of Jesus these days.

Originally posted by redled
Yeah, but people who have been at the recieving end of it all from the Inquisition's witch hunts to the crusades, people who see children of Jehovah's Witnesses not being allowed blood transfusions so they die, or people who see the paedophilia rampant amongst priests, do you really think they give an eff about what Jesus says about it, he set it all into motion. It is arguable that that is looking at the bottle half empty, but if they are, his words are really not much solace.

The church is pretty evil. They do not represent Jesus, they merely try to replace Jesus. No, they do not care at all about what he says.

You then, seeing the evil they do however - do not have to follow it. If you seek truth, and if you live by the truth then you have done your part.

I can't blame people for not embracing the idol of Jesus in light of what has been done in his name. I myself do not put much importance in the idol either. But I do know the words he spoke were truth on a level of intelligence that is beyond the majority of the population.

You can see the church rounds up ignorant people to lead them in directions away from the things Jesus did. Would it be very wise of you, knowing they do not represent Jesus, to turn your back away from the truth he spoke as well?

I was pretty much in the same place you are. I rejected christianity when I was younger, because all I ever saw really was what people did in his name. How in the world can THAT be considered a reflection of god? I think not.

You have to look at the understanding Jesus is trying to give, rather than just the words itself. Otherwise, it's like bringing a bowl of milk to a cat, and instead of the cat drinking the milk, it just licks the bowl.

Originally posted by gordonwest
reply to post by moocowman

 

I have in my other post that best explains my "personal experience". I can try and answer other Questions, but I will with somebody would 'honestly' would want to listen without asking the stupid Questions.

Dude, when an individual claims to have seen jesus and the yaweh god and looked into gods eyes, since when does "What did he look like " constitute a stupid question?

At this point you made a claim, without refering to any other post you also claim it to be a secret.

If I saw the fairy king, don't you think it's a little childish or deluded to say on one hand it's a secret and on the other fairies are real.

Remarkably, it wasn't that long ago you would have been burned at the stake by other christians, for claiming to have seen the eyes of god.

I note with interest you did not respond to the bibles contradictory claim that god cannot be seen and also god can be seen.


Also noteably is that imply from this briefest of post that god and jesus are to seperate entities, which seems to fly in the face of the majority claiming jesus is god.


NED's are not that uncommonly reported in this day and age, it is noteworthy that you are of christian beliefs and when you claim to have been dead you saw christians symbols.

Should you have been born in Lybia, would it be fair to say that you would have more than likely seen Allah or mohammed when you died.

This also begs the question (and is certainly worth some investigation), when a jew experiences an NDE what is the likelyhood of him seeing Jesus, Mohammed or Joseph Smith.

Extrodinary claims require extodinary evidence my friend, if it's such a big secret between you and the allmighty, why come on ATS of all places blabbing about it and not expect "reasonable" interrogation.?

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Well I have to partially agree with you dude in that some christians are pretty ignorant and equally deluded period.

Mercifully this bigotted cult is on the decline and we appear to be entering a new age of reason, political correctness and tolerance.

reply to post by badmedia


Well I can't disagree to much of what you proposed dude, however one wonders how the various messiahs managed to overcome the inconsistancies and contradictions of the torah.

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Well I have to partially agree with you dude in that some christians are pretty ignorant and equally deluded period.

Mercifully this bigotted cult is on the decline and we appear to be entering a new age of reason, political correctness and tolerance.

Does this new age of tolerance also include tolerance for the ignorant people to believe as they want? If not, then what you bring is more intolerance and the same actions of those you blame. I am not accusing but asking here, as I've seen similar statements and such things would not be allowed.

All through history political correctness has been thrown and pushed on people, this is nothing new at all. I mean, 500 years ago it was politically correct to not talk against the king.

Political correctness implies that only 1 point of view is allowed and ok. Where as the only way you can have reason and understanding is being to able to see all points of view on an equal merit, where you then decide for yourself what is correct.


[edit on 24-11-2008 by badmedia]

Actually, Torah is pretty clear about the Messiah requirements. Universal peace and knowledge of G-d should theoretically spring into being, wars will cease, etc.

Torah also talks in kind of a round-about way of the kind of leader the Messiah will be. 'Course, the big thing is that Torah in no way, shape, or form, teaches that the Messiah will be divine. He (or she, frankly) will be a spiritual/political leader that will arise AS the messianic age emerges. Again, Torah's fairly clear on that.

Which, of course, leads us back to the age-old question; why did the Jews reject Jesus? Answer: Jesus fulfilled one, count 'em, one of the prerequisites of Messiahship. He was Jewish. And that's it.

If you ask me, all the New Testament proves is that it was written by Gentiles with just enough Hebrew and Aramaic under their belts so as to be dangerous. And boy howdy, have they been dangerous...

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To be honest, I use PC more for effect (in relation to the religious argument) than my personal opinion, it appears to be 2 edged sword unfortunately.

A worker (in the UK) has to protect him/her, laws relating to sexuality, colour , race, disability, religion etc.

However when religious people are given the right to practice their religion without predjudice, the enivitable will occur but not always.

I will use christianity as an example, a mixed bunch of people in an office each have their rights, however the christian will claim that part of his religion is to recruit (for want of a better word) other people.
Unfortunately the other people ar gay or lesbian and have every right to be offended by any allegations of immorality or condemnations such as "abomination" for the way they choose to live.

PC It would seem, will attempt to shut the christian up (and rightly so) he should keep his condemnations to himself. But there seems to be this conflict between religious freedom and respecting other peoples diversity in life choices.


On a personal level i wouldn't even entertain the thought of employing a christian, there are more gays, lesbians and bisexuals in the UK than fundamentalist christians, and who needs lawsuits in the workplace ?

Unfortuantely there seems to be many homosexual christians wo what the hell arre you supposed to do ?

Perhaps the golden rule should be -

"Thou shalt not take offence" ?
then leave everything else to slander and libel laws.

I dont HATE jesus i laugh at christianity thogh according to the christain book.

1 any gay should be killed. and u go to hell

2 if u were wool and leather together u go to hell.

3 if u dont read the same book u go to hell.

4 if u worship another god u go to hell.

5 if u donot believe in there god u go to hell.

6 If you had special needs hell.

7 (heard this one very well could be wrong) if you are black you will go to hell.

hmmmmmmm im noticing somthing here i have never read the bible im straight wooo i have prayed to other god i do not realy believe in ur god so im going to hell. just like that and im suppoesed to like the guy who syas im going to hell hmmm that dosent make much sense to me. maybe it doss 2 u.


the dole lamba ( budist leader) has said he dosent care what religon you are just as long as you are kind and love. how many times have you heard jesus say that ??

in 3000 years people will think the same thing as people do now with greek mytholgy about christianity.

if you are one of the 66% that dont fit with that list ill see you in hell.

Its not that we hate jesus, its that we dont like how religion portrays itself. it has nothing to do with jesus at all really. Assuming your talking to atheists.

We just don't like how religion in general, how so many problems follow in its shadow, how so much money from society is given to the name of religion when those religions make monuments and buildings about their god or beliefs, we cant stand how religion is (in some peoples minds) an excuse to do something, and we by far cant stand it when religious people try to "save" us.

Atheists (still assuming your talking about us) merely think that its so illogical to believe in something that not only cant be proven (or disproven). for example.

lets say you found a fruit on the ground under a tree. lets say there was only one branch that led to a twig. now lets say you took a look at that fruit and saw that there was a stem to it that apears that it would have fallen from the tree, along with a brooze on the fruit. you would most likely conclude that that fruit came from that tree. correct?

the probability from the aparent evidence says that it would have most likely came from that tree.

i could go on if you'd like.

The dead asleep offering their 10% cash with regular lip service does nothing to awaken to the reality of the living light (which ain't yer jesu, thanks).

Keep sleeping, keep being lazy. Don't make the effort to study the existing records of the non-existence of your pretentious jesu beliefs. How do you hate something that you were taught to obey, and then present persecution upon those who don't believe such claptrap? Hard choice.

The king of the world exists, hidden in it's idolatry, being worshipped as the 'one son,' jesu, by the sleeping lazy crowd of unknowing, uncaring.

Here's my 10% (make that 20% for "love offering"). Ooohh, save me a seat.

And for those sillies who say they saw jesu and 'testify,' thanks, I had the little squirrel stop by me window (2nd floor) when I was seven yrs. of age, full of light and 'glory.' Quite amazing, really, telling me he was 'jesu.' What's a young innocent supposed to think when demons appear wearing glowing white, radiating power and energy? Come, read the ufo sections, there you'll find the reason why the Awakening Ones of Humanity detest the very notion of these beggaring fanatics in their unknowing, uncaring fallacy.

"Once that the key to Genesis is in our hands, the scientific and symbolical Kabalah unveils the secret. The Great Serpent of the garden of Eden and the Lord God are identical.

(Secret Doctrine, H.B.)

By the Hermetics, known as 'the king of the world,' both satan and jesu, dressed in red & white on x-mas.

Ho Ho, Ho Ho, Hooo.

Why hate the foolish? They rob the world of any true friendship amoungst brother & sister, and they know not what they do.

Good work. Keep it up, 'til the Earth becomes a burnt crust, a cinder in your eyes (as reward).

Shamballa: Ruler - Sanat (Satan) Kumara
Hierarchy: Ruler - The Christ
Humanity: Ruler - Lucifer