Macedonia and the Greece propaganda

Originally posted by defiler
Im talking about iGenea. I cant find topic on their site about the origins of the
greek dna.

[edit on 1-12-2008 by defiler]

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Arnaiz-Villena A

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The credibility of Arnaiz-Villena was seriously damaged after he was suspended without pay from the Hospital Doce de Octubre in Madrid, where he heads the department of immunology and molecular biology, after being charged with embezzlement of funds.[30] In addition to this charge, Dr Arnaiz-Villena is facing allegations of "moral harassment" at the Universidad Complutense de Madrid, where he chairs a research and teaching immunology unit.

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[edit on 1-12-2008 by geforce]

last part /6nyr4a

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Keep posting that racist DNA study defeiler, you are simply proving what a racist bigot you are.

Hahah I racist Im not the one who creates imaginary friends lol.
And posting a corrupted data from a greek site.
This site that you posted only proves that macedonians are not related to greek people and that we were here before you came to the mediteran.

[edit on 5-12-2008 by defiler]

God, please stop, you are thoroughly embarrassing not only your self and your country, but the entire Balkans.
The attitude and backwardness, as well as your ridiculous misfounded and false nationalism, is what the outside world typically thinks Balkan people are like. Predominantly this is because of people like you.


I have provided ANCIENT SOURCES, you provide us time and time again, with propaganda and general bullsh**.

I create friends? Who? Where? When?

What are you talking about?


You are the racist here, because I'm not the one posting racist DNA studies that are not taken seriously BY ANYONE BESIDES YOUR SELVES, claiming people who are clearly European, and tippy Mediterranean people, are Africans!!

Btw, if you were living in the Med sea before we were, then where is your maritime culture and history?

I suppose you haven't gotten around to creating one. Or maybe you would like to just plagiarize ours like you have been plagiarizing everything else.

We have one of the oldest and longest naval traditions, we are known as sea farring people among other things. Hell, we even have the largest merchant marine fleet in the world today.

So where is your maritime spirit? Your a landlocked country created in 1991, a landlocked people created in 1945.


You see our history in the region is recorded, known, and studied around the world. So anyone with a full education, already knows your talking nonsense and spreading disinformation.

Tell us, just for laughs, if you were there before us, why is it nobody has heard of you, or known of you, before now?

I suppose you created democracy and laid the foundations for western civilisation(something both we and the Romans are well known for) too then ehh?

You claim Ancient Greek history is yours not Greek, you claim Bulgarian, Serbian and Albanian persons of interest as yours, you claim Bulgaria, Greek and Albanian territory, you claim Cleopatra, you alter the Bible, you claim George W Bush on top of 11 other Presidents of the USA, you claim the Scottish people as being your descendants, you have even claimed prominent Greek-Australians as yours.

I really want to know, what else have I missed ???

Where you the first to go put a man in orbit and put a man on the moon?

Oh silly me, you have had a galactic empire for centuries! How could I forget.

I'm actually surprised you haven't yet claimed the European Royal families aren't your descendants too.

Or how about Jesus Christ wasn't a Jew or the Son of God, but Makedonskiiiii and the son of Aleksandroskiiiiii ehhh?


Your country is a joke, your claims are ridiculous. The only reason we are wasting time with the likes of you, is because the common man doesn't care enough to study Ancient Greek history on his own to know your claims are ridiculous. So we need to step in, and counter your crap & lies, as we have done here.

ps, if you feel so strongly and are convinced that you are right, and that we are occupying your land, then as the real Makedones fellow Dorians the Spartans said, MOLON LABE! We are waiting.

But as you claim we are oppressing a non existant minority of hundreds of thousands, that we are occupying your land, any nation would attack to save those people and gain back that land. But the thing is, there is no minority, there is no land that belongs to you, so you don't dare try such things, because your government knows that its retardation is only tolerated by the powers because it is a convenient tool for them to hold over the Greek government, but if you went too far as your government is starting to do, you will be hung up to dry.

Originally posted by defiler
And posting a corrupted data from a greek site.
[edit on 5-12-2008 by defiler]

Is the Government of the USA a Greek site?

Mr. MENENDEZ (for himself, Ms.
SNOWE and Mr. OBAMA) submitted the
following resolution; which was referred
to the Committee on Foreign
Relations:

CONGRESSIONAL RECORD—SENATE

this link explains a lot about the FYROM situation and more...
SKOPJE CONTRIBUTES TO ITS OWN INSTABILITY

and 12/05/2008

Karamanlis, Obama hold telephone conversation

Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis held a telephone conversation with U.S. President-elect Barack Obama on Wednesday night, congratulating him on his election, wishing him success in tackling the challenges that he will be facing in the years to come and stressing that he is looking forward to meeting him in the near future.

Karamanlis reassured Obama that Greece will provide full support for the fulfillment of the great hopes that his election has created.

He further said that the greatest challenge today is the economic crisis whose handling constitutes a top priority for all, since the international economy is being faced with great and multidimensional adjustments.

Karamanlis also told Obama that his election has taken place in a crucial conjuncture in which Europe, the United States and other partners must jointly tackle the challenges.

The prime minister went on to say that the Greek American community has contributed and is continuing to contribute to American society.

Karamanlis assured Obama that he appreciates in particular the clear and steadfast positions that he has taken on issues of Greek interest and pointed out that he is looking forward to close cooperation with the aim of finding solutions for all these issues, as well as the deepening of Greek-U.S. relations in all sectors.

On his part, Obama thanked the prime minister for his wishes and underlined the great appreciation that he feels for the role of the Greek American society which, as he said, he knows well, having good friends in its ranks.

Obama also noted that he has special appreciation for Greece's role in Europe and the wider region, expressing the wish that he will be having the opportunity in the near future of visiting the country about which he knows a great deal but without, however, having visited it so far.

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We all know that Obama was against the republicans about the question for
the Macedonian name.

Originally posted by defiler
We all know that Obama was against the republicans about the question for
the Macedonian name.

So what about the over 100 other members of the US Congress who signed the resolution? Including Republicans. Were they against their own party?

I guess your desperation calls for you to make desperate replies in a bid to deny the truth.

Remember the motto of this forum, Deny Ignorance. Try it sometime.

Here is the Topic in case anyone forgot:

"Macedonia and the Greece propaganda"

Anything else is Off Topic and will be removed.

Thank you

Semper

1. Why Demosten, the hellenic proud and glory said about Alexander's father Phillip: He is not a Hellen, he is not a friend or cousin to Hellenics, he is not even from a barbarian country, but he is Macedonian an evil person. (Demost. 3th speech against Phillip)

2. Plutarch: Alexander screams: Hellenic are rissing in front of Macedonians like half-gods in the middle of wild beasts.

------ We see that here are 2 different nations!!!

My question: If Macedonians were Hellenics, and the history of Macedonia is a history of Hellada, why ancestor of Alexander ||| Macedonian (who in ancient times is called like that, and the name GREAT got much later) Alexander | (1st) was named Philhellen (that who is a friend with hellenic's, who love hellenic's), WHY HE IS Philhellen IF HE IS A HELLEN?

If Macedonians were hellenics, than they should talk hellenic or simmilar to hellenic, but why than the greek soldiers did not understand the language of Alexander ||| Macedonian? (you can read more from the books of greek ancient historians)

To take a part from the Ollimpic games, why was not alowed first to Alexander, but than was allowed? ( there was a rule that only greeks can take a part from these olimpic games, but Alexander won in all disciplines, read from ancient greek philosophes, and from than Alexander is greek because it was shame another to be a winner or a part of the games in that time)( he take a part of the games because Greese was under Macedonia!!!)

Who is stealing history now? Macedonia or Greece?

If Greece recognize our country under Macedonia they will loose their STOLLEN HISTORY, and should return bilions of euros to our country because stole their homes and massacred thoussands of macedonian people who lived there.

Why Greece is Nazi country? It is public anonce that there is no one living than Greeks, there are no macedonians, no bulgarians, no serbians, no albanians, no turkish, no americans, no japans, nor russians, NOTHING!!! ONLY GREEKS A statement from your goverment. There is not recognized any nationality in Greece!!!
Please come to Macedonia to see multicultural society!

Ofcourse you are much stronger country than Macedonia, you are old member of EU and NATO and you can make anything you want, but whole world know that these world based institutions are FAKE and are not based on democracy! They are only machinery for world domination of 2-3 countries.

We can talk years and years on this forum but most important is that I DO NOT HATE YOU FOR THAT YOU ARE A GREEKS, YOU ARE MY FRIENDS AND I DONT CARE WHAT POLITICIANS SAID BECAUSE THEY MAKE WARS, THEY KILL PEOPLE AND THEY MAKE THE PROFIT.

Have a Happy New 2009 Year, we are modern world now, both read ATS

Bye

Yane
(sorry for writting mistakes)

First of all I just want to say that the persons knowledge on history above has kept me dumbfounded and I have to say that he has absolutely no idea of what he's talking about. let alone have a basic grasp on hellenic history!

Second there is no denying that the ancient macedonians were a hellenic kingdom and spoke greek! artifacts prove this and i won't even mention more!
The person even mentioned that alexander competed in the ancient olympics which were EXCLUSIVELY for greeks!

Third the persons assumptions that "Greece would loose history and return billions to fyrom" is rediculus! Return what!! The whole world knows macedonia and its history is greek! again ANCIENT ARTIFACTS prove this! Macedonia (the greek province and only macedonia) was liberated from the ottoman empire in 1913 back then there never was a "macedonian" nation!!!! wake up you were bulgarian!!! It is known that once the borders were set, population exchanges accured, meaning that turks and bulgarians were exchanged for greeks from turkey monastir and so on...

Finaly the persons assumption above that greece is a nazi country because its not a multicultural country is absolutely rediculus!!!!
it is a well known fact that greece is mostly a homogenous country due to the population exchanges and that there is one muslim minority in thrace because they have the numbers to be classified as such! everyone else who is not greek is an immigran and the fact is immigrant numbers are increasing!!
btw watching all the riots and strikes happen in greece should be clear enough that greece is not "nazi" lol
one stuff up by the government and police and the people protest and take to the streets!!!

Read the books man and TURN ON your brain because it is washed.

How can you say that ancient Macedonia is hellenic kingdom?
Macedonia was a COUNTRY a KINGDOM, In Greece there were only few policies that Philip|| tried to unite them by the Corint agreement!!!!!!!
Also read my last post and ask some proffesor of your famous universities.
Or ask Kostas Karamanlis your prime minister about his grandmother that IS PURE MACEDONIAN: I am sure that you don't know that and it is top secret because all goverment will go down.

READ AND DON'T WRITE STUPID THINGS PLS!!! THESE ARE UNIQUE PROOVES FROM THE ANCIENT GREEK ORATORS THAT WERE SCARED BY MACEDONIAN COUNTRY!!!

We are 2009 year after BC, so about 2300 years the population is mixed in whole world, there is no pure nationality, oh im sorry only Greeks are pure nationality and there are some imigrants that live in Greece, there is no nationality with human rights that live in Greece.

YOU DENIE THE RIGHT OF EXISTENCE OF OTHER PEOPLE IN YOUR TERITORY, BULGARIA IS DOING THE SAME!!!

Shame on you!

hahahaha dude you sound rediculus!!!

You even said it philip TRIED TO UNITE GREECE (everyone knows that back then there was no greek nation, but a collective of city states and kingdoms who fought each other but shared the same culture and language etc and together like the macedonians called themselves hellenes!)
Thats why all greeks today take great pride at the macedonians (note: not the people of fyrom who have asolutely no connection) because they were the first to attempt a UNITED GREECE!!!

...and dont say to me go ask a profesor because i studied classical societies and THERE IS NO ONE WHO AGREES WITH YOUR VIEWS and fyrom propaganda!
All I can say to you IS OPEN YOUR BRAIN! cant you see you speak a bulgarian dialect?! cant you see that your country is a new creation?!
Why is it that no seperate "macedonian" ethnicity, yet alone country is mentioned before the 1950s (before tito created it)? Why is it that no records mention a seperate "macedonian" army fighting during the balcan wars? Why is it that fyrom other than stealing hellenic history also appropriates bulgarian history as "macedonian" which absurd!!?????

...as for the prime minister karamanlis he is in fact a macedonian since he originates from macedonia THE GREEK PROVINCE which has alsolutely no realation to fyrom and its people!!

...no one is claiming greeks are a pure nationality im sure they also have a turkish and slavic mix! but the fact is the greek nation is made up mostly by people who share the same culture! believe in the same values and speak the same language! and studies have proven that greeks share a remarkable continuity which can only be surpased by that of the chinese!

Finaly no one is denying the existance of your people! Greece already has invested millions in your country and tries to build good realtions by even accepting a composite matuable acceplable name! You must also learn that stealing another nations history and its peoples regional identity is wrong and shame on you if you cannot comprehend this!
My best advice to you is accept a matuable acceptable name like slavomacedonian and give an end to the propaganda that macedonia is not hellenic but slavic! lol ..enough please!

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I would like to hear how would americans react if mexico was to be split up into small countries and one of those mexican states was to be named texas and its people who are clearly hispanic start being calling themselves texans, denying the regional identity and culture of texas the american state and appropriating american texan history as their own! What would the american texans think??? im sure the usa would not take that likely....

doesn't the genetic evidence completely disprove any claim FYRM has of Macedonian ancestry.

reply to post by Founding


Macedonians have white skin, Greeks are black (GYPSI) HAVE YOU NOTED THAT????

Originally posted by Macedonia
reply to post by Founding

 

Macedonians have white skin, Greeks are black (GYPSI) HAVE YOU NOTED THAT????

How do we report racist flame posts?

Originally posted by Macedonia
Read the books man and TURN ON your brain because it is washed.

How can you say that ancient Macedonia is hellenic kingdom?
Macedonia was a COUNTRY a KINGDOM, In Greece there were only few policies that Philip|| tried to unite them by the Corint agreement!!!!!!!
Also read my last post and ask some proffesor of your famous universities.
Or ask Kostas Karamanlis your prime minister about his grandmother that IS PURE MACEDONIAN: I am sure that you don't know that and it is top secret because all goverment will go down.

READ AND DON'T WRITE STUPID THINGS PLS!!! THESE ARE UNIQUE PROOVES FROM THE ANCIENT GREEK ORATORS THAT WERE SCARED BY MACEDONIAN COUNTRY!!!

We are 2009 year after BC, so about 2300 years the population is mixed in whole world, there is no pure nationality, oh im sorry only Greeks are pure nationality and there are some imigrants that live in Greece, there is no nationality with human rights that live in Greece.

YOU DENIE THE RIGHT OF EXISTENCE OF OTHER PEOPLE IN YOUR TERITORY, BULGARIA IS DOING THE SAME!!!

Shame on you!

lmfao.
I don't think I need to even bother denunking the crap in this post, because it is just so outlandish and ridiculous, not even the most out there ufo believer on ATS would even dare post such nonsense.

The Greek PM's mother is "Makedonski" but its kept TOP SECRET lmfao too funny

Your people are not being denied their existence. We know they exist, but we just like the Bulgarians and any other person educated on the history of the Balkan Peninsula, knows you are BULGARIANS, and have absolutely NO BLOOD RELATION TO THE ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WHO WERE OF GREEK BLOOD. They are from the Doric blood line, just like the Spartans.

Why don't you claim the Spartans as not being Greek now?

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i am sorry if you think if the post is racist, maybe it is but i don't think nothing bad for you or for greek people.
Just say that whole Balcan is white, and you are a little darker==> if we talk about DNA and this should be some fact.

We can not talk what happened 2000 or 3000 years ago, so you are in right in some things but i am also right for some things.

When i am talking about words said by ancient greek famous orators you say that it is not true.

But these are the most visible historian facts and prooves that can be touched with hand and read by eye.

i think that this topic should be closed, who are we to decide what is right and what is wrong

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I want to so badly call you an idiot.