SCOTUS petitioned for writ certiorari in Obama citizenship case, Obama to respond by Dec 1

reply to post by Kailassa


if you want to renounce your citizenship, all you have to do is go to an embassy and renounce it, and it will be recognized..

Originally posted by beforetime
www.youtube.com...

anyways there is video of his Kenyan grandma saying he "barrack was born in this village"

i tend to believe a grandma especially when apparently she didn't know
If he was born in Kenya he can't be president here.

Not to mention why would she lie about it..she a racist or hates obama?

im just saying

i am pretty sure thats the video berg talks about.
www.youtube.com...
Affidavit and Tape-Proof Obama Born in Kenya
at every end of tape the guy ask's obama grandma ..which hospital was he born in in Mombasa then?

she says obama mobassa.. something..this is the real audio tape of the conversation apparently they say.

She flat says he was born in Mombasa what ever that is lol..i barely know where ohio is lol

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What a load . . .

In the first video a woman, possibly Obama's grandmother, says Obama is a son of the village.
If she was asked about Obama's daughters, she would say they are daughters of the village.

Learn to understand the culture before you make assumptions based on incorrect translation of an idiom.

In the second video there is no way to confirm that is Obama's grandmother's voice.
She says nothing clear in it at all.
I suspect the faintness of her voice compared to the interveiwer, and the ammount of noise, is a way to prevent identification of the voice.

This video is as conclusive to Berg's case as a video of kids flashing penlights at a black sheet is proof of flying saucers.

Originally posted by Gregarious
I despise him because he is a communist. What? You say. Carl Marx, ever heard of him?

No but I heard of his brother "Karl Marx" the Marx brothers.

He said that communism and socialism are only a matter of degree. The stinkin neocons of the Republican Party are Socialist, and the 'other' party is a LOT more Socialist, leftist. Obama usually has not voted, period. He usually votes 'present', I guess so he can continue to collect his paycheck and not offend future voters. But he supports 100% the CDNC. I hope he is not assassinated before the court imprisons him, and Yale withdraws it's degree based on false app. Frankly, he's a rather charismatic guy, just like Lucifer is supposed to be, and I hope he turns around and becomes a man of integrity, and accepts Christ. Because his works are certainly not Christ-like, but Luciferian. This is all rather interesting!

America DEMANDS a conservative party, NOW.

Wouldn't be ironic after Obama successfully realizes the revolution and the US becomes communist we then declared war on Russia to put down their Imperialist aggression!! Now THAT would be TOO funny.

Like I have said before, elsewhere on here, that there are other cases filed with the Supreme Court, not just this Berg one, contesting the Obama slant on citizenship. I do not have the names of the filings. Don't worry about it, it will all be dealt with publically very soon. Perhaps he did reestablish his citizenship, perhaps he never had it, perhaps he was born in Utah! Sounds as reasonable as Hawaii to me. We are not getting all the arguments or facts, the courts are, and just let them do their job, if they in fact try to do it, unlike many other bureaurats. Now is not the time to get bent out of shape, but it certainly is getting close. Don't worry about it. Yet. Just stay

reply to post by Kailassa


Maybe you need to read our immigration laws on renouncement. We do indeed recognise someone who renouces their citizenship and the dictates of the law are very clear. Its not something taken lightly by our State Department. If your out of the country and renounce your citizenship and are on a US passport, your passport is immediatly revoked and all nations are notified because if done legaly you are in a US emabassy when you do it. You can end up a non-citizen of all nations and your ability to tavel become untenable.

Zindo

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reply to post by DocMoreau

this is from WND blog

Instead, Surrick said Congress could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.

"Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."

hmm doesnt seem he said that it was violating anything much .. he said that any "NORMAL" person CANNOT challenge someone on behalf of the constitution because there is no law in place for them to do so....

which i think is BULL# ! =]

all in all .. if barack is what he says he is.. then he shouldnt be afraid to show it ... hes come this far to show us his balls ... why not dick slap the conspirists who thinks he is not from here

just saying =]


SOURCE: worldnetdaily.com...

reply to post by DocMoreau
OK so its settled then.The same problem is there,people that don't quite understand the legal jargon would like the person accussed to step up and make all this hate and disbelief go away with a "we all need to stop this anger and hate infighting" speech,you know ,one of those eloquent speechs Obama does so well.Are you people telling me that to step in and do something to stop this hate is above him?Surly Obama is better then that,what a chance to show how you would govern in time of need and desension between the people.

Or maybe someone else has there finger on what is really the problem,I would hate to belive it but as long as Obama lets hate like this go on with no effort to help stop it then what is a person supposed to belive or understand about him.

"There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president" Ali Sina.There is even a better quot but I'm sure this will make plenty mad.As much as those of you that want to make this about race it is not,it is about the man...

Originally posted by Simulacra
beforetime,
Obama's Birth Certificate Verified By State - www.kitv.com...
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So a man says it exists. Hearsay! would be thrown out in court.

Obama's Birth Certificate - www.dailykos.com...

The image is false, no folds, no raised seal, no signatures. Plus it's only a "certification of birth" a short-form version of the actual document.

Born in the U.S.A. - The truth about Obama's birth certificate. - www.newsweek.com...

If the state of Hawaii will not release Obama's BC to the campaign, WHY would they release it to these clowns? Furthermore, if it is the true document, why haven't they rushed it to the SCOTUS?

You have proved nothing. you have only brought sources which lie.

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Because this is all blatant discrimination. Period.
This much effort wouldn't not be put into it if it were not a black man or prior muslim.

I wouldn't show it either, unless the same injuction was required by the opposition.

This is nothing but a shameless attempt to undermine the security and confidence of Americans, and to put a no name on the map and drum up business. And everyone is buying it. Congratulations.

This is the best free publicity scheme I have ever seen.

And for the obama haters, it doesn't matter what evidence is produced, you will cry that it is a fake, even if the aged birth team came running out of the hawaii hospital with an umbilical cord.

reply to post by ZindoDoone


It really would not have mattered what Obama's mother and or stepfather or even Obama himself did in regard to being considered an Indonesian citizen.

www.requirementsforuscitizenship.com...

Parents cannot renounce US citizenship on the behalf of their children, even if the US citizenship was obtained by the child being born in the US. Children must be at least fourteen years of age and can fully demonstrate that they understand the consequences of renouncing US citizenship before they will be allowed to do so.

Since he left Indonesia to live with his grandparents in Hawaii, at age 10, there is no way he could have renounced his citizenship legally, (by US standards) (as they require you be at least 14, and it is fully reversible until 6 months before your 18th birthday) to get on that school registration card that is the source of the Indonesian citizen rumor.

www.guardian.co.uk...

He returned from Indonesia to live with his grandparents when he was 10, and Dunham enrolled him in the exclusive Punahou school in Hawaii.

Say what you like, there is no way he is a criminal under the law here in the US, even if his parents lied about his citizenship in Indonesia. How could they hold a child of 5 or 6 responsible for his mother and stepfather's decisions? You guys are digging deep here.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Because this is all blatant discrimination. Period.
This much effort wouldn't not be put into it if it were not a black man or prior muslim.

Why is it so hard to believe that many here and elsewhere want this questioned answered for the simple reason that if he is in fact not a natural born citizen he is not eligible to be president? Why is it so hard to believe that it is not necessarily about race?

McCain's eligibility was questioned as well back in February, so was that discrimination too?

Inside Today's Bulletin
www.thebulletin.us...

No one, aside from Department of Health officials, has seen the original document. Mr. Martin has a court hearing on Nov. 18 in the Circuit Court for Honolulu, Hawaii to continue his case.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
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Because this is all blatant discrimination. Period.
This much effort wouldn't not be put into it if it were not a black man or prior muslim.

I disagree. I think this is just run of the mill political maniac craziness.

Have you never seen all the crap about Hillary and Bill having guys killed to cover up this or that or the other?

They tried to impeach the guy for infidelity. Spent millions of dollars trying to pin anything, anything at all on the Clintons and what did they end up with? Fellatio in the Oval office. I'm sure glad we spent millions of the tax payers dollars to clear that up.

Harassment, frivolous lawsuits, slander, fanatical repetition of far fetched claims, this is a method of operation that goes far beyond Obama. Unfortunately. I would be relieved if it were just racism. I could understand that. This is a well maintained and prolonged mass hysteria that seems to run through a small but significant portion of the right wing.

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reply to post by NGC2736


Under the age of 17 is it is not legal for parents to renounce citizenship, However if he went before an official in the US embassy and he himself renounced it then they have to agree to it and a record of it is made. This is the third time I have posted this. If there is no record of this in the State Department or if his parents illegaly signed a document in Indonesia to the fact that Barry Sotero renounced his citizenship there is a problem. Either way, Obama needs to clear up the facts of this debate. Mearly ignoring all these questions does nothing but fuel resentment and distrust!
Everything I have brought up is valid. I have researched immigration laws because I was a party to a Korean adoption. Anyone who has gone through this process is asked these same questions!

Zindo

reply to post by ZindoDoone


Ok, great. So you guys go ahead produce the documents from the State Department that show Obama renounced his citizenship after the age of fourteen. That should be really easy to do. Go for it. If not, get off the Indonesian train, because it has left the station.

If you guys are going to make crazy claims, substantiate them.

It started 17 pages ago with "He was born in Kenya, the grandma said so".
After that was disproven, then it is he went to school in Indianesa and renounced his citizenship as a child.

You know, give it up. You lost, get over it. He's not a communist, he's not a terrorist and even if you were right and he wasn't born here, at this point in the election, Joe Biden would become president not McCain.

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
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Under the age of 17 is it is not legal for parents to renounce citizenship, However if he went before an official in the US embassy and he himself renounced it then they have to agree to it and a record of it is made. This is the third time I have posted this.
Zindo

Then I guess it is the third time you are wrong.

boards.historychannel.com...

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN

Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship. United States common law establishes an arbitrary limit of age fourteen under which a child?s understanding must be established by substantial evidence.

He would have had to have been 14. He was in Hawaii from 10 on. The school registration card was from a time prior to age 10 when he was living in Indonesia with his mother. Thus, whatever occurred that allowed him to get that card filled out occurred before the age of 10. Since there is no way he could legally renounce his citizenship at age 10, and his parents also cannot legally do it for him, it is a case closed. Unless you can show some evidence that after the age of fourteen Obama later went on to renounce his citizenship and did not recant before 18. If you dont have that evidence, you have nothing but hot air.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


It seems to me that McCain's eligibility wouldn't be in question at all. Wouldn't all US Military Installations be considered sovereign US Soil? Just like our Embassies?
I was under the impression that you are granted all citizenship, immunity rights etc. while at an Embassy, OF ANY COUNTRY, and I don't see what would possibly be the difference in this case.

On the other hand, if Obama IS forced to produce these documents and he cannot, there may be a question (and I believe rightfully so.)

Edit - Sorry if that has already been resolved, I skipped ahead to respond.

PS. It would also seem to me that there would probably be another run-off. Joe Biden and John McCain could each make an arguable claim to the seat if that were to happen. Neither was elected.
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