SCOTUS petitioned for writ certiorari in Obama citizenship case, Obama to respond by Dec 1

didnt his birth cirtificate alredy turn up???? why do ppl keep trying to find bad things on obama, hes american, he won, get over it.

Originally posted by MAINTAL

Yeah, this sounds a lot like the stuff Obama was saying and again I will say you would understand then why it shouldn't be a problem for you to show us, and Obama said NOTHING

ever since

He has proved it to the people he needed to prove it to.

He knows, like most reasonable people know, that someone who WANTS to believe a thing cannot be forced to change their mind.

God could come down from the sky in a cloudy chariot and say Obama is a US citizen by birth and I can just hear a voice, waaaay in the back of the crowd saying, "but his grandma said...."

Why should someone faced with taking office in a time when we have an economic crisis, and two wars, and Russia rumbling off in the distance, and all the other real, valid issues he has to contend with, sit around showing the willfully ignorant over and over again a copy of his birth certificate? Particularly since he, as a reasonable man, knows full well that those same people will just turn around and find some other reason not to believe it.

God coming down and making a pronouncement will be deemed evidence of "Project Blue Beam" and the long form will be deemed a forgery, etc.

Arguing with the willfully ignorant is pointless. I know that. I have no belief anything I say, or anyone else says here could convince any one of the "true believers." I just think it is amusing. Obama has a job to do, he doesnt have time to sit around arguing pointlessly with people that dont want to see reason.

If you really believe his credentials are no good, explain to us why the Republican party itself is not dragging this to the Supreme Court and it has been left to some nutter to do so?

reply to post by cognoscente


We ain't Romans. We are American and to be American holds certain responsibilities and limitations. If you disagree so much on an, out of date Constitutional document, then you may try to change it. That is part of what is set forth in the document. To mearly insult those of us who believe and live by it by calling us names won't help your argument much. It just tends to piss off the lion!!

Zindo

Originally posted by Jenna
I'm still waiting.

So where do you believe Obama was born? Have an opinion don't say 'I don't know'.

reply to post by cognoscente


I would say that the times we live in now are turbulent as well. I wouldn't mind Schwarzenegger being able to run for president except for the simple fact that he isn't a natural-born citizen. If it weren't for that I think he might stand a good chance at winning. However, the requirements to be eligible for the presidency were written the way they were for a reason. They aren't something to be tossed aside at will, just as the rest of the Constitution isn't something we can just pick and choose the parts we like and toss the rest. The law is the law, and requirements are requirements. If those who hold our nations top offices do not follow the laws and requirements why should the rest of us? It's the top of a slippery slope that I hope we never go down.


Do any other countries allow those who aren't natural-born citizens to run for their highest offices? I ask because I do not know. As far as I am aware none do, but I could be wrong. Anyone here know?

reply to post by Simulacra


Prove your claims about statements I have made and I will gladly answer any questions you have. Until then I'm afraid you will have to wait. As I said call me out on my statements, but you better be prepared to back up your claims. As it stands you haven't, nor have you tried aside from making even more claims.

Originally posted by ZindoDoone
My ancestors are the first ones to see the sun rise every morning in the US. I know what my Constitution says. I suggest you go find out.

According to the US constitution, citizenship regarding Obama is defined as the following:

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

www.usconstitution.net...

His father was a US national by definition:

A "national" is a person who is considered under the legal protection of a country, while not necessarily a citizen.National status is generally conferred on persons who lived in places acquired by the U.S. before the date of acquisition. A person can be a national-at-birth under a similar set of rules for a natural-born citizen. U.S. nationals must go through the same processes as an immigrant to become a full citizen. U.S. nationals who become citizens are not considered natural-born

Obamas father came to the US in 1960 on an airlift under the protection of the United States. His mother was born in Kansas.

One of the first students airlifted to America was Barack Obama Sr, who married a white Kansas native named Ann Dunham during his US studies.

rfkjrforpresident.com...

With Obamas father as a US national, and his mother being born in the US and being a US citizen, it makes President elect Obama, a legal Us citizen.

If he was born in the United States there is no issue, and if outside, he still qualifies.

Peace


[edit on 10-11-2008 by HIFIGUY]

Originally posted by DellGribble

Here's a question to the board: If if turns out that Obama cannot prove he was born in the U.S., should his election be voided?

Clearly there would be something very wrong with having a law that you must be born in the US to be president and then allowing the "president elect" to not be born here. And if any candidate and his team actually tried to pull something like this off - knowing full well the candidate wasn't born here - then there would be something even more disturbing about that. How would you ever be able to trust someone who starts their service off in this way - with a lie - and a big one. I don't understand how this could still be an issue. It doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by Jenna

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Now where in that does it say they verified he was born in Hawaii? Oh yeah it doesn't. Which explains the circles you are talking in.

Continue to read. Don't cherry pick to promote your agenda of ignorance.

Originally posted by Jenna

If Obama was born in Kenya, the Kenyan departmen of health would have his records on file.

And do you know for certain that they don't have his records on file in Kenya? You seem to have some knowledge that the rest of us don't so please share that with us.

Well has anyone produced a Barack Obama birth certificate from Kenya? Once again, stop attacking truth and start proving your counter theory. Or just leave it.

Originally posted by Jenna

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

Ok, so they have it. As has been pointed out numerous times by me, you and many others in this thread. That is not the issue. The issue is what it says is his place of birth. Thus the lawsuit.

Why would the Hawaiian department of health have some other countries birth certificate on file. He was born in hawaii. Prove to me otherwise.

Originally posted by Jenna

So you think that the Hawaiian department of health somehow confisicated a Kenyan birth certificate and is holding it in their records?

Did I say that? Should we add this to the list of things you claim I said yet can't prove I said?

You're implying it and spreading doubt on the authenticity of his birth certificate.

Originally posted by Jenna

How about you provide evidence that Obama was born in Kenya and stop trying to attack, attack, attack.

Start proving

I'm still waiting for some, hell ANY substational evidence to back your claims other than 'What if' scenarios.

Man... there are tons of Obama Haters on this thread.


I can't believe the insanity that's being passed for "critical thinking".


Deny Ignorance? Sure...

reply to post by cognoscente


You do relize the romans feed people to the lions right? (There own people inclued.)

This proves he is.

According to the US constitution, citizenship regarding Obama is defined as the following:

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

www.usconstitution.net...

His father was a US national by definition:

A "national" is a person who is considered under the legal protection of a country, while not necessarily a citizen.National status is generally conferred on persons who lived in places acquired by the U.S. before the date of acquisition. A person can be a national-at-birth under a similar set of rules for a natural-born citizen. U.S. nationals must go through the same processes as an immigrant to become a full citizen. U.S. nationals who become citizens are not considered natural-born

Obamas father came to the US in 1960 on an airlift under the protection of the United States. His mother was born in Kansas.

One of the first students airlifted to America was Barack Obama Sr, who married a white Kansas native named Ann Dunham during his US studies.

rfkjrforpresident.com...

With Obamas father as a US national, and his mother being born in the US and being a US citizen, it makes President elect Obama, a legal Us citizen.

If he was born in the United States there is no issue, and if outside, he still qualifies.

Peace

reply to post by checkmate


I guess it depends on where he was born and if he's a Citizen.
good grief ...

Originally posted by HIFIGUY

With Obamas father as a US national, and his mother being born in the US and being a US citizen, it makes President elect Obama, a legal Us citizen.

If he was born in the United States there is no issue, and if outside, he still qualifies.

Peace

HiFiGuy. It's not that easy. Someone will create some fabricated element to your statement. People still deny the blatant truth here and its sad.

reply to post by ZindoDoone


Nevertheless, we hold many of the same principles of our Roman antecedents. The entire notion of citizenship was founded by them. Before that, you either had to be incredibly rich, or own a hell of a lot of land to even be considered being given any shred of civil rights. Saying we aren't Roman does nothing to refute my claim, sir. It is as true now than before your snide little remark. Saying I should do something about is wholly insignificant to this argument as well. "If you don't like it, change it; that's what the Constitution is for". Never have I read such an unconcerned response. You really don't care, do you? The patricians of Rome were much like you; they were of a higher social order, they viewed themselves above all foreigners because they happened to be born in Italy... It's rather pathetic.

I didn't call anyone names. I actually used quite rational language. Saying that some foreigners are more involved in their country is in no way an an insult. It's a personal wake-up call.

[edit on 10-11-2008 by cognoscente]

reply to post by cognoscente


Well, since the other part of my heritage (Irish) hated the Romans since the defeat of Carodoc or Caracticus in the Roman, I tend to consider being grouped in with them an insult!!LOL

Zindo

reply to post by HunkaHunka


I don't know about obama haters but fortunately there are a few truth seekers and if the guy was up front none of this would be going on.
His disrespect for the people is an insult.

reply to post by Simulacra


I did continue to read and actually bolded parts that you had quoted as well.

As far as I'm aware of no, no one has produced one from Kenya. Nor did I say they had.

I don't know. Do they keep birth certificates on file if you were born in another country and then move here and become a citizen?

I'm not implying anything, nor am I spreading doubt. I have posed the question numerous times. Why not just show it to the courts to shut everyone up? Easy fix.

And you will continue to wait until you can show exactly what claims you seem to think I am making. Here, I'll make it easy for you.

My posts from this thread

Now instead of trying to further attack me for claims you seem to think I have made, go through my posts to this thread, all 16 of them counting this one, and show where I have said he was not born in the US. Heck, how about showing where I have said anything you have tried to claim like where I said anything about religion aside from my post pointing out that I hadn't mentioned religion or where I said anything about school aside from the post pointing out that I hadn't mentioned school. I am also waiting for your sentence by sentence explanation of how everything in this post is wrong.

reply to post by beforetime


I guarantee that you *will see* that birth certificate whether he is or not. There are too many powerful forces behind him for a piece of paper to get in the way.

-rrr

Originally posted by Simulacra
HiFiGuy. It's not that easy. Someone will create some fabricated element to your statement. People still deny the blatant truth here and its sad.

The Truth is the Truth brother.

His mother met a man of whom she married while she was in the United States. While he was in the United States, even if he was not a US citizen, he was under our protection, and considered a national.

This is really an open and shut matter.

Peace