SCOTUS petitioned for writ certiorari in Obama citizenship case, Obama to respond by Dec 1

Originally posted by Jenna

Why is it so hard to believe that many here and elsewhere want this questioned answered for the simple reason that if he is in fact not a natural born citizen he is not eligible to be president? Why is it so hard to believe that it is not necessarily about race?

McCain's eligibility was questioned as well back in February, so was that discrimination too?

The problem here is that this is no longer an issue. Obama produced a legitimate birth certificate from the state of Hawii.

But that wasn't enough. There were then accusations that it was a forgery, with no evidence whatsoever to back that up.

I fact, an announcement of his birth was found in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961. I suppose the Obama people have a time machine and were able to travel back in time 47 years and get the paper to print that.

reply to post by Jay-in-AR


You are actually correct. And I know it. The law that made that the case went into effect one year after McCain was born but was retroactive and so he is covered.

What hasnt been resolved legally, because we have never had a President elected who was born on foreign soil, is whether or not being a "citizen born on foreign soil" meets the Constitutional requirement of "natural born citizen." This is an open legal question, and McCain's lawyers are aware of it, and were prepared to argue it. He would likely be found eligible, in most legal opinion, and then the matter would be resolved, but at this point it isnt resolved if a citizen born on foreign soil qualifies as a natural born citizen.

My point was not that I do not think he qualifies, but rather if all these people are so darned concerned about having a natural born citizen be President, why arent they arguing the McCain question?

It is because they dont really care about his citizenship. Or Obama's. They care about harassing a Democrat. Period. There is as much or MORE legal ambiguity regarding McCain's status at this point as eligible, as Obama's. And will remain so until we have an elected President born on foreign soil so that the matter may be settled formally.

reply to post by beforetime


I say who cares; if Arnold can be govenor whats the difference of someone who may or may not have moved here when he was one being president.

WHAT THE HELL?

Sorry to shout, but would everyone please look at the title of the thread?

This is:

A) In the "Breaking News" forum.

B) Citing a blog that cites a blog that cites a blog that cites the guy who filed the lawsuit.

C) It's NOT about whether Obama IS or IS NOT a citizen. It's about the Supreme Court ordering him to turn over a birth certificate.

The thread is not true.

There is no evidence the Supreme Court or Justice Souter ordered Obama or the DNC to do anything.



Does anyone have ANY evidence that this has happened?

If not, this needs to be moved to the crap heap.

This bickering after the election is over makes ATS look stupid. Anybody who googles 'obama supreme court birth certificate' is going to get a link to this thread and any credibility ATS will go down the toilet.

Think!

Deny Ignorance!

Pay attention.

[edit on 11/10/08 by emsed1]

Your contention we care that only a natural born citizen in Obamams case is because of race is false. The reason to care is because of the tendency to have foreign entaglements, mores (sounds like moray) and sympathies. John McCain would have no nostalgia, sympathy or cultural imprint from being born to a military family serving on duty in Panama. McCain is not Panamanian in any sense of the word. Obama on the other hand is half Kenyan, which would be fine to serve as president if he has been born here and lived here most of his life without giving up citizenship at any time. It is a matter of principle and fundamentally about having to truly be an American to serve as the executive of the country.

Case in point, Obama was seen in recent months campaigning for his cousin Odinga. Odinga is a Kenyan who has socialist, islamic views. That is fine in Africa, but it does not jive with our Judeo Christian constitution. That is the kind of entanglement, attitude and sympathy we can avoid in a president if we make sure he or she is born right here and has lived here most of his or her formative years.

reply to post by emsed1

Berg, who appealed his case to America’s highest court, was told by Justice David Souter’s Clerk that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied. The Clerk also required the defendants (Obama, the DNC, and FEC) to respond to the Writ of Certiorari by December 1.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

The court clerk is the alleged source here. Debunk it. Don't just cry 'foul'.

[edit on 10-11-2008 by Maxmars]

Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by emsed1

 

Berg, who appealed his case to America’s highest court, was told by Justice David Souter’s Clerk that his petition for an injunction to stay the November 4th election was denied. The Clerk also required the defendants (Obama, the DNC, and FEC) to respond to the Writ of Certiorari by December 1.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Supreme court clerk is the alleged source here. Debunk it. Don't just cry 'foul'.

This comment was from a blog citing Berg's own website www.obamacrimes.com

I have read the actual Supreme Court docket and it says nothing about requiring the DNC or Obama to respond.

The final line in the docket is a dismissal of the application for injunction on November 3 by Justice Souter.

The ONLY person claiming that Obama has to respond is Berg himself and he offers no proof.

I am as conservative as the next guy but this is not breaking news and so far it's not true.

Look guys...

THIS

is where this whole stupid thing originated. It's just a press release by Berg himself CLAIMING the DNC has to respond.

It hasn't been proven.

There is nothing in the SCOTUS documents or docket supporting it.

...AND there is no proof the clerk ever said it or that there is anything related to a Birth Certificate.

reply to post by DellGribble


If Obama does not have a legal birth cirtificate I think the election is void. I guess McCain would then become president......Do you think? Or would they hold a new election between Hilllery and McCain?

I think there would be a lot of problems with mainly the black citzenship being angry and very upset if Obama is not allowed to be president. But he should have thought about all that before he ran for the office.

I sincerely hope he is a natural born citzen of America because I am fearful of what the outcome would be otherwise.

Peace,
Grandma

If it is proven that he isn't a natural born American citizen I think he and everyone in the DNC who was aware of the fact should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Also, think of the millions of dollars people donated to him here at home and around the world. Shouldn't those people get their money back if he isn't legit?

No, of course I don't believe any of that would ever happen, but you must wonder why in the world he didn't simply produce the birth certificate when Berg filed the suit back in August to put this thing to rest once and for all. It is the attitude that he is above the law and doesn't have to show his BC or answer a lawsuit that makes me question him. There is obviously something on that document that he needs to hide. Just what that is I have no idea.

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


The reason it isn't an issue with McCain is because a US Military Installation is, in a matter of all legal courses, UNITED STATES SOIL.

The difference is that Obama was born to a Kenyan father. Now, I am not arguing against Obama here. My biggest hope is that he can provide a certificate of birth from the state of Hawaii to prove this a false allegation, and I believe that if he can, Berg needs to be heavily pentalized. But this story DOES HAVE the potential to be a HUGE, HUGE deal.

Edit - Spelling



[edit on 10-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky
Obama on the other hand is half Kenyan, which would be fine to serve as president if he has been born here and lived here most of his life without giving up citizenship at any time. It is a matter of principle and fundamentally about having to truly be an American to serve as the executive of the country.

Obama IS reflective of a "true American." He is a mutt ethnically, like most of us. He grew up exposed to many cultures, the same cultural mix that he will be representing in America, not just one, the upper middle class white one. How can anyone be more American that the melting pot that is Barack Obama and his family?

And as for divided loyalty, why would he have so much more loyalty to Kenya, when he has only been there a couple times for a very short period of time? And to a father he barely knew? Why is that different than the Americans proud of their Irish roots, or Scottish ancestry, who travel to the UK to see where their people come from?

reply to post by Grandma


No. McCain wouldnt. Nor would there be a new election. The Vice President would become President. Thats what they are there for.

reply to post by ClintK


No he released a certificate of live birth which is close to but is not the same as a birth certificate. And has been pointed out by numerous people in this thread and others, it would be extremely simple for him to settle the whole thing. All he had to do was show the judge his original birth certificate when Berg first filed the suit. It was his choice to try to dismiss and stall proceedings that has led many to believe that he is in fact hiding something.

Look at it this way, if you were being offered an extremely important and prestigious job and the only thing that could potentially stop you from having said job was to show your birth certificate to HR to prove citizenship would you show them your birth certificate? Or would you tell them it wasn't relevant, stall for time, and try to dismiss their request for it? Those with nothing to hide would get their birth certificate for HR to see.

Originally posted by Jenna
And has been pointed out by numerous people in this thread and others, it would be extremely simple for him to settle the whole thing.

Maybe Obama doesnt realize how much chaos his decision to show his birth certificate to the officials and not post it on the internet is causing?

I think someone should forward this thread in its entirety to the Homeland Security or whomever is in charge of preventing societal collapse and let them know how critical this issue really is.

There is a good chance he has been busy lately and not keeping up with his ATS reading.

It seems to me that the question is not whether he is a citizen, but if he is a dual citizen. If he is a dual citizen, there is an issue. It may not mean a thing, I am not saying anything about the man other than if he doesn't meet the requirement of natural born citizen, on U.S. soil, then he is disqualified.

Edit to clarify - Dual citizen born outside of the United States. (You know, as the Constitution Forbids.)

[edit on 10-11-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

Guess Obama anticipated this.

Obama sees Justices Breyer and Souter as judicial models

source

Dude, This guy got President Clinton beat by a country mile.