Why the Persecution of Illegal Aliens

American hospitals provide Healthcare for illegal aliens, yet refuse to do so for their own citizens. This is shameful - especially when it is the American People’s Tax dollars that pay for the majority of the treatment given to illegals.

A prime example would be how the American System treats Maternity:

An American family can expect to pay $15k to $40k for the treatments required during the pregnancy and immediately afterward.

An family of illegal Aliens can expect same treatment this for free, whereas the American family is now saddled with debt and is in for financial difficulties.

They will still have to pay for the child’s future medical expenses - their illegal counterparts will get the same treatments at no expense to them... because the taxpayer will me picking up the bill (the same taxpayer who can't afford healthcare).

reply to post by TheAgentNineteen

Not to mention how 80%-90% of ALL Rapes and Kidnappings in the area are committed by Hispanics,

Care to quote a source for your data? Or is this just a general observation? If so how are you privy to the specifics of ALL rapes and kidnappings?

"Anchor Baby”

An anchor baby is defined as an offspring of an illegal immigrant or other non-citizen, who under current legal interpretation becomes a United States citizen at birth.

Now my question is, What happens to the mother, who is an illegal immigrant and is married to a US Citizen? If reported?

reply to post by Jenna


that's not entirely true. About a year after the war in Iraq started, a marine came back from active duty only to be found out by the gov that he was indeed an illegal immigrant who joined with a fake social and ID. He was just one of countless of kids who do that because they love this country and can't serve in the military legally. By the way, that story was covered by the MSM for about a week until it simply became old news.

There are also stories of some desperate recruiters that go as far as to get these forms of identification for these people who are willing to join. These recruiters will do anything to recruit, enough that one of them told me that If i was interested in joining the marines as a fighter pilot, he'd get me the number for an eye surgeon to perform Photorefractive keratectomy (PRK) to fix my vision. He also told me to lie about my vision problems.

reply to post by TruthTellist

American hospitals provide Healthcare for illegal aliens, yet refuse to do so for their own citizens.

We have already determined that this piece of rhetoric is misleading. General healthcare is not provided to illegal aliens free of charge. There is however emergency Medicaid which child birth would qualify. Also it is also false that this emergency Medicaid is ONLY provided to illegal aliens, all individuals who visit a participating hospital are eligible to apply for emergency Medicaid not just illegal aliens.

reply to post by Ferengi


Usually, that is 'automatic' citizenship. An American baby and American spouse is pretty much an automatic 'in' as far as I know. Paperwork will need to be done and processed but that is the easy way to do it.

Edit: Oh, but I have personally known of one case a couple of years ago where one of my husband's friends married an English woman but they had ten levels of hell getting her American citizenship. He even had to sell his house, quit his job, and move over there to be with her because it was such a pain getting her over here. It was finally all cleared up about a year ago.




[edit on 8/10/2008 by AshleyD]

reply to post by harvib


"We have already determined that this piece of rhetoric is misleading."

Really?
Just like we have achieved "consensus" with global Warming GW....

As a doctor in Canada, I can tell you there is a significant amount of Canadian Taxpayers money spent treating people who are not citizens. And we do not have 20+ million illegal Mexicans in Canada.

Please return to reality - or stop creating Troll threads like this one, whichever comes first..

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Law makers can be criminals too. What if a law maker come up with a law like it is forbidden for illegal aliens to fart in America. If they fart we will hang them. In their system it will be viewed as an illegal act, but infact the law maker is comitting crimes against humanity.

I am not defending Mexicans in any way. If they are such hard workers, how come Mexico is like it is? Mexico is a big country and it should not be like that. Instead of working hard for their own country, they leave like cowards and enter America illegally, start gangs, murder people, graffiti walls that are not theirs, transport and sell illegal drugs. I am not against Mexicans either, I know that there are good Mexicans here in America. I think that we should all recognize the things that we are doing wrong and work on them to make them positive. The biggest problem of Mexicans is that most of the youth is engaged in gang related activities. I think that is caused by bad education and the need for love and attention. They did not get it at home so they will look for it somewhere else. Both Americans and Mexicans have some problems they should work on.

Originally posted by TruthTellist
reply to post by harvib

 

"We have already determined that this piece of rhetoric is misleading."

Really?
Just like we have achieved "consensus" with global Warming GW....

As a doctor in Canada, I can tell you there is a significant amount of Canadian Taxpayers money spent treating people who are not citizens. And we do not have 20+ million illegal Mexicans in Canada.

Please return to reality - or stop creating Troll threads like this one, whichever comes first..

[edit on 10-8-2008 by TruthTellist]

ummmm. this is the statment you made:

American hospitals provide Healthcare for illegal aliens, yet refuse to do so for their own citizens.

Then when confronted you mention Canadian statistics? I have not looked into Canada's policies as it is beyond the scope of this thread. If you can back up your statment regarding healthcare provided by American hospitals while refusing their own citizen please do so.

[edit on 10-8-2008 by harvib]

reply to post by harvib


Ha! You ask me for proof of a thing which is self-evident to all.

If I can see the devastating effects of this policy from Canada -where almost one quarter of our patients are Americans who cannot afford to be treated in their own countries, because their government gives preference to illegals (amongst other things). Why can't you see this?

You have eyes and yet do not see.

Pathetic.

reply to post by Oldnslo


The source of of that "data" is an e-mail chain letter. The copy I have has 14 points. Point 14 of course being about how a million sex crimes by illegals. They always like the "they're gonna rape your women" angle...old as the sky.

Anyways the links in the email were followed. Much of the data was actually sourcless vague estimates (the $200 B figure) and some data was total cost of immigration with no distinction between legal or illegal (Huddle study). Some just come from dubious origins like Lou Dobbs. Some were dead links.

Following the links in the chain letter to ultimate sources when possible gave $91.39 B. Naturally everything is termed only as costs as well which could lead to gross overestimation of the NET.

Besides, the fact is that the number of illegals can only be estimated and costs are estimated from total costs.

Well, I have a buddy that I go to school with that went in to get his driver's license when he turned 16, only for that license to be postponed because someone was using is Social Security number. A 16 year old having to deal with identity theft? Turns out it was an illegal alien.

In another case, one of our local Sheriff's deputies went over to a small town elsewhere in the county to pick up the local drug dealer. The guy was an illegal alien and was deported. A few weeks later the guy was back and threatened the deputy and his family with their lives if they tried to deport him again. (Don't tell me that's not wrong)

I agree that there are ups and downs to illegal aliens (i.e. Cheap labor or the down of identity theft and gang mentality) and that not all of them are gang bangers. I think its a good idea to secure our borders on the stance of national security. I mean, if a poor Mexican family can hop into the US without anyone knowing, I'm pretty sure a Terrorist or two can do the same.

And about the racism, I take the stance of Glenn Beck (I know I'll get trashed just for mentioning the name) : "I don't hate people because of where they come from, I give them time and hate them for real, legitimate reasons."

But, Perhaps making it easier to enter [U]Legally would help?

reply to post by TruthTellist


My friend. Try to remain calm. I know this is a polarizing issue. It is not self evident to all. You are making statements that you seem to be unwilling to back up with any kind of data. I am asking for some sort of evidence besides your perception that backs up the statement you made regarding illegal aliens being given healthcare while citizens are denied. I realize there is an emergency Medicaid program that is available to all who visit participating hospitals in the U.S. regardless of citizenship. I have yet to see any evidence of a program that is exclusive to illegal immigrants as some would imply.

Again this is the statement you made:

American hospitals provide Healthcare for illegal aliens, yet refuse to do so for their own citizens.

Originally posted by harvib
I have been leery about posting this thread as I know how polarized this issue is. But here goes:

Post after post I see who I consider to be intelligent and aware human beings make negative comments about illegal aliens. I am disgusted with this very recent movement to despise so called illegals. I know our media has held a very active campaign to convince us that these are our new enemies. I thought some on this site were above such manipulation, guess not. I have heard some say that illegals are a drain on our society. I have trouble accepting this. They provide extremely cheap labor and I find it hard to believe that the money American's save in the agriculture industry alone with this labor is not enough to make up for any cost associated with illegals. Comments?

Here's the problem with what you are saying.

Let's take an illegal immigrant from Mexico, for example. The dollar to peso ratio is about 1:10 (or, it was a few years back, anyway). Let's say that ILLEGAL immigrant is undercutting everyone, and working for $8 per hour. You think he's SOOOO underpaid. Well, let's translate that to the money he sends back to Mexico. That's 80 pesos an hour. Think YOU could live on $80 an hour? Think you'd be willing to do the crappiest, most boring job ever for $80 an hour? They live 5 or 10 to a house, save up almost every dollar they can, and send it back home. You see, every dollar they send back is equivalent to $10 here. They don't spend any money here, except what is necessary to live and work, they send all extra back home. That does not add to our economy, it drains it.

Next is the little matter of them being here ILLEGALLY. That's right, they aren't LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. They are breaking a law, one more serious, in a way, than a lot of the bs laws we have on the books. After that is the fact that a lot of these illegal immigrants are doing OTHER illegal things while they are here. Rape, robbery, murder, burglary: these things are all common in areas with high ILLEGAL immigrants.

Just remember, big companies are out to drain you dry. Why do you think there is "regional encoding" on DVDs? Because they can't sell that Disney DVD for $20 in Mexico, or in India, they can only sell it for the equivalent of $2. They knew some enterprising youngster would import tens of thousands of these movies, and sell them cheaper than the ones here.

Once everyone is using "cheap labor", who's going to have the money to buy new cars? Who's going to have the money to purchase houses? Who's going to have the money to go out to eat? Who's going to have the money to buy nice things? "Cheap labor" gets rid of the middle class. And the middle class is the buffer between civil unrest and peace.

And last, here's the definitions for you:

Persecute: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief 2: to annoy with persistent or urgent approaches (as attacks, pleas, or importunities)

Prosecute: to bring legal action against for redress or punishment of a crime or violation of law

Go to Mexico and see what happens if you try and get the schools to teach IN ENGLISH (not as a second language). Go there illegally, and tell me how you are treated.

There have been indications that there are upwards of 30 MILLION illegal immigrants here. That's not "migration", that's INVASION.

Keep allowing it though. I'm sure you'd like being a serf under a hispanic government.

Originally posted by Aliensurge

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by Aliensurge
Oh and more thing. It seems me that the federal government loves illegals. So many illegals are in the armed forces.

The only way an immigrant can be in the US military today is by being a legal permanent resident. This status does not include temporary work or student visas. Up until roughly two years ago, those who were permanent resident aliens could only serve up to eight years, at which point they would be discharged for failure to obtain citizenship. They also could not hold security clearances, nor could they be officers in any branch of the military. Today they still cannot hold security clearances or be officers, but the legal residents can serve as long as they like. Key word there is legal. You cannot in any way shape or form join the US military if you are an illegal alien or hold a temporary visa. Please get your facts straight before posting misinformation about the military.


*edit to fix run on sentence that made no sense.*

[edit on 10-8-2008 by Jenna]

You have have a good point there but I happen to know of several Illegals in the armed forces thank you very much

I believe Jenna is correct. If illegals are in our Armed Forces, they are in violation of Federal Law and the UCMJ. Regardless of what you think, there are a security risk (fraudulent statement made prior to induction) and should be dischanged immediately, and drop kicked back to his homeland, once released from the brig. This ain't Mejico, most folks here try to obey the laws. You don't lie to get in the military in this country. Thank you very much.

It's just as easy as getting a job in the states. I dunno maybe you should look into the REALITY of things and whats really goin' on. Illegals ARE in the armed forces. But no one criticizes the U.S. Armed forces....WHY!?

"Reality of things and whats really going on". A total disregard for the laws of this country, is whats going on. Just what I have witnessed here in Los Angeles for many, many, years. A total lack of respect for our laws and customs. Under their breathes, they laugh and mock us, and some have no intentions to assimilate. We are stupid Americans. They're here to take what they can get. To many of them, we a just sheep waiting to be shorn.

Then the latin gangs, many of them illegal aliens. Baby and children killers. They'll kill you without the slightest remorse over the smallest of things. Innocent bystanders be damned. Isn't that right ex-gang-banger.
Real heroes.

A good friend is LAPD, formerly, Rampart CRASH, now working in the San Fernando Valley tells me that almost 90% of the reported crimes are committed by illegal aliens. He knows because its his job to put the crime stats together. Its basically the same all over California and probably in your hometowns, too. Stop buying the BS about the godness of illegal immigation. Illegal immigrants cost US taxpayers $338.3 billion dollars a year.

Wake up folks, its almost too late.