Why the Persecution of Illegal Aliens

Originally posted by mexican
reply to post by XTexan

 

i bet you wouldn't be saying that if your ancestors were the ones to have immigrated here,its all about survival.

Are you saying it is impossible for "Mexicans" or other Latin Americans to survive in their own country?

Harvib,

nice can of worms you have going here......I will be moving along after this post.

but I leave you other people with this..........Lets say that there is a law against littering in your Country.....no, lets say it is against the law in The United States of America.....are you with me so far? Now lets say you get pulled over for throwing a cigarette out the window......you did litter after all didn't you? But you would be screaming..."WTF....everybody does it, all the time, why you hassling me pig?" How about Jaywalking? (for you non-smokers).....hmmmm, smoke time for me and I can't in the house.......but wake up people....Yes, we have immigration laws, but the conservative Republican's liked their cheap labor too so they have been looking the other way for years.....It is OUR government at fault. Deal with it, and make them change it........or better yet......how about enforcing the laws already on the books but we have to give fair warning....just like I would want if I really was going to get nailed for throwing my butt out the window or do jail time for jaywalking......stop being a bunch of hypocrits.

good luck Harvib.

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Originally posted by mexican
reply to post by XTexan

 

i bet you wouldn't be saying that if your ancestors were the ones to have immigrated here,its all about survival.

My ancestors did immigrate here

But I pose the question to you, why should the actions of mine (or anyones) ancestors affect the prosecution of a law in todays world?

Originally posted by harvib
I have been leery about posting this thread as I know how polarized this issue is. But here goes:

Post after post I see who I consider to be intelligent and aware human beings make negative comments about illegal aliens. I am disgusted with this very recent movement to despise so called illegals. I know our media has held a very active campaign to convince us that these are our new enemies. I thought some on this site were above such manipulation, guess not. I have heard some say that illegals are a drain on our society. I have trouble accepting this. They provide extremely cheap labor and I find it hard to believe that the money American's save in the agriculture industry alone with this labor is not enough to make up for any cost associated with illegals. Comments?

Where do you live? Are you in a community that has been effected by the recent onslaught of illegal immigrants?

It's really easy to take the moral high ground if one does not have to actually deal with these "people" on a regular basis. Their refusal to assimilate into American culture is particularly problematic, since their way of life is so offensive to decent Westerners. They often have pedophilic tendencies, they do not understand the concept of throwing garbage in the trash rather than on the street, they have trouble working a consistent 40-hour week, they pack into homes with two to four times more occupants than Americans (which drives quality of living but increases the price of rental units, especially for poorer Americans), they tend to deal with illicit drugs and join violent gangs and they simply don't belong here.

When the illlegal Mexicans invade your town and destroy your way of life, you'll understand.

I can't believe you seem to think that the fact that they provide cheap labor is a good thing. Do you not realize that hard-working Americans previously provided that labor, but are now priced out of a way of life? Mexicans have such a low standard of living that they steal the jobs from willing American citizens who are left with nothing. And it's not like these illegals even spend their money in this country. Most of them don't pay taxes, and on top of that, they send a majority of their earnings back to family members in Mexico!

You seem to think that the agriculture industry is dependent on these illegal Mexicans, but you'd probably be surprised to know that about three-quarters of agricultural workers in America are United States citizens. The idea that there exist "jobs that Americans won't do" is a myth propagated by the left-wing, pro-illegal media.

Speaking of the media, I find it especially hilarious that you wrote that the media has an active campaign to "convince us that illegals are our enemies". The reality is the complete opposite to your statement. If it weren't for outspoken private citizens and fringe media groups, no one would be taking the American citizen's side on this issue.

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so then what is all your big fuzz about?

Originally posted by Res Ipsa
Harvib,

nice can of worms you have going here......I will be moving along after this post.

but I leave you other people with this..........Lets say that there is a law against littering in your Country.....no, lets say it is against the law in The United States of America.....are you with me so far? Now lets say you get pulled over for throwing a cigarette out the window......you did litter after all didn't you? But you would be screaming..."WTF....everybody does it, all the time, why you hassling me pig?" How about Jaywalking? (for you non-smokers).....hmmmm, smoke time for me and I can't in the house.......but wake up people....Yes, we have immigration laws, but the conservative Republican's liked their cheap labor too so they have been looking the other way for years.....It is OUR government at fault. Deal with it, and make them change it........or better yet......how about enforcing the laws already on the books but we have to give fair warning....just like I would want if I really was going to get nailed for throwing my butt out the window or do jail time for jaywalking......stop being a bunch of hypocrits.

good luck Harvib.

This is exactly the point. This thread has been sidetracked 11 hours ago, with nonsense arguments that still do not negate the fact that we have laws. Whether or not corporations are indirectly influencing our policy, does not negate the fact that we have laws.


To the OP,

It's simple, we certainly are appalled when corporations influence foreign policy to their benefit and thus cry foul, why is it then when other corporations lobby in their interest you people give them a pass or chose to ignore how they manipulate the system in their favor. Let's not be hypocritical. You either loathe corporate influence in our government or you don't. Yet some here WANT or choose to turn the other way when this involves immigration. The fact that corporations influence some politicians does not make it right. You agree about it being a law correct? Then all we should be arguing about is why are we not enforce this law equally. I'm 100% capitalist, which is why I despise this type of corporatism.



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Originally posted by mexican
reply to post by Gateway

 

are you some kind of morron.when did i ever say it was impossible?

Then if it's possible, why do say that its about "survival". You are implying that they cannot survive in their country of origin, hence their immigration to the U.S.

If they can survive in their country of origin, why immigrate?

Originally posted by mexican
reply to post by XTexan

 

so then what is all your big fuzz about?

Not sure what your getting at here, but my fuss is about illegal immigration. That seems to be what this thread is about... And I noticed you didnt answer my question...

Why should the actions of peoples ancestors have any effect on the enforecment of immigration laws today?

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nice can of worms you have going here......I will be moving along after this post.

LOL you think? Not too often I have the minority view point. Not on this site anyway. Thanks for stopping by! Maybe check in on me from time to time and make sure the masses have not hung me.

Originally posted by mexican

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I, for one, would rather team up with the other 10 million people willing to violate a sovereign nations immigration laws, and use our collective voice to make my home country better... Just a thought though...

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Originally posted by mexican

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No, my life's pretty much untouched by the illegal Mexican annoyance, but I understand why so many of my countrymen are disgusted by their presence. They are ruining our cities and posing a grave threat to our young generations.

We don't need to put up with millions of filthy criminals who reproduce like rabbits and don't even have the common courtesy to learn our language. I think you Mexicans can understand where I'm coming from.... At least your actions at your own southern border would suggest so.

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Originally posted by LDR172001
There are many illegals trying to better themselves and live a better life and i dont have a problem with that because that is the goal of almost everyone but as soon as they commit a crime they should get deported because if they came here to live a better life than the one they were living back in theire home land then why are they here commiting crimes. Anothere thing is that because they are not alowed in the country legally does not mean that they can force themself into the country. The problem that i see here is that the person that came here illegaly is taking up the space of someone that can come into the country legally. There are alot of people that are not allowed to enter the country legally because of the situation with the illegal immigrants in the U.S..

They did commit a crime--- they are here ILLEGAL, which means they broke the law coming here. Ahip them all back and gaurd the boarder --
My wife is from Bosnia and we had to go thought a lot to get her here so I have no sympathy for illegals.

Originally posted by mexican

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Well, it appears you are right. I guess for some it's so "freaking" good that its laws should be broken.

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Anyone who enters the United States illegally is a criminal, Plain and simple. These people should be apprehendid and deported out of the USA. They should be identified in such a manner that the marking cannot be removed. Once peported and found inside our borders, they should be imprisioned in very basic conditions - meaning nothing but the very basic requirements to stay alive. The second time they are illegally inside the USA they should be imprisioned for 6 months under these very basic conditions. NO ACCEPTIONS. Second time 1 year, NO ACCEPTIONS. ETC. Lethal force should be authorized to contain them. The third time, LIFE under these basic conditions. I don't mind anyone trying to become a US citizen legally, but illegals are just plain criminals and should be treated as such.