Why the Persecution of Illegal Aliens

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Hello again ATS!

Well I've been born and raised in Phoenix. I grew up in the south east side of Phoenix. Anyone who knows the area would tell you it's "GHETTO" I see a lot of families working hard too make a better living. That's how my parents did it. My parents have their citizenship now but back when I was young they were illegal. It was a long struggle for my entire family. One of my uncles decided to do it the right way and it took him 12 years to get his papers fixed. 12 YEARS! People need to understand that it is very difficult to do it legally so the majority will do it illegaly.

Now from my own experience I have worked a few jobs alongside Illegals. To be honest w/ you I have NEVER met an illegal who commits acts of crime, other than the fact that they crossed the border illegaly. And I've lived here my whole life. A lot of my best friends are illegal but are law abiding and DO NOT send money to Mexico. They have their whole lives here and are spending their money here.

Reality Check people, who spends the most amount of money on stuff they want. Mexicans. Haha! we have a plasma in almost every room. My sister has a 07 Mercedes Benz and I drive a 02 infiniti. I wont even get started about what I've seen friends go out and buy. I could go on and on but my point is that Mexicans love to spend their money! So wouldn't that stimulate the economy? If wherever you look illegals make the least amount of money but spend the most of it to carry out their fantasies of ""Living well"

Now I know I'm going' to get a lot of heat for this one but I DON'T think Sheriff Joe is doing the right thing by having his department ask for citizenship to every Mexican they pull over. Ummmm did he forget about all the OTHER crimes going on in this city. Oh sure you can point all your fingers at illegals and say they are responsible for all these crimes. Or you can look at reality and notice that all races commit horrible crimes. So now hes is saying that he is helping out in crime prevention when in all reality he is just focusing and spending our taxpayers money to stop the flow of illegals. He is just ruining families lives that have no business in Mexico because they have been here all their lives living as Americans just like all your ancestors did.

Oh and more thing. It seems me that the federal government loves illegals. So many illegals are in the armed forces. And here in Maricopa county the feds aren't doing to much to stop the flow of illegals only the sheriff is. In my opinion the sheriff is racist but that's a whole other debate
You people are passionate about the fact that you don't want illegals here but yet your own government has turned their back on you and has let the avrage joe take part in minute men operations. Either do something about it to get to some kind of reform or just close the borders entirely....Oh yeah thats right the government is "working on it"

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It does appear that they must be examined but i don't see where they must be treated.

Any patient who "comes to the emergency department" requesting "examination or treatment for a medical condition" must be provided with "an appropriate medical screening examination" to determine if he is suffering from an "emergency medical condition". If he is, then the hospital is obligated to either provide him with treatment until he is stable or to transfer him to another hospital in conformance with the statute's directives.

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by jfj123

 

It does appear that they must be examined but i don't see where they must be treated.

Any patient who "comes to the emergency department" requesting "examination or treatment for a medical condition" must be provided with "an appropriate medical screening examination" to determine if he is suffering from an "emergency medical condition". If he is, then the hospital is obligated to either provide him with treatment until he is stable or to transfer him to another hospital in conformance with the statute's directives.

Stabilizing a patient is treating a patient. Also check a few posts back as another poster quoted additional info regarding patient rights.

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Great post alien. I hadn't thought about the military aspect. Thanks for joing the discussion.

Originally posted by Aliensurge
Oh and more thing. It seems me that the federal government loves illegals. So many illegals are in the armed forces.

The only way an immigrant can be in the US military today is by being a legal permanent resident. This status does not include temporary work or student visas. Up until roughly two years ago, those who were permanent resident aliens could only serve up to eight years, at which point they would be discharged for failure to obtain citizenship. They also could not hold security clearances, nor could they be officers in any branch of the military. Today they still cannot hold security clearances or be officers, but the legal residents can serve as long as they like. Key word there is legal. You cannot in any way shape or form join the US military if you are an illegal alien or hold a temporary visa. Please get your facts straight before posting misinformation about the military.


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reply to post by jfj123

Stabilizing a patient is treating a patient. Also check a few posts back as another poster quoted additional info regarding patient rights.

Your right stabilizing a patient is a form of treatment. But it is incorrect to say that all are given treatment even if all our given stabalazation when required.

Is stabilizing a patient not treating them? You cannot stabilize someone without some form of treatment, therefore stabilizing is treating. So if all are stabilized, all are treated. Not all who are treated are stabilized, but it's impossible to be stabilized without being treated.

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This is the first sentence from my previous post:

Your right stabilizing a patient is a form of treatment

As far as this statment goes:

So if all are stabilized, all are treated

This is incorrect. Not all are treated even if all who require stabalazation are treated. All apples are fruits but not all fruits are apples.


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THANKS!

I just believe there is soooo much that can be debated and discussed on this subject.

Just another thing to think about. Here in Maricopa we could be facing a big problem where illegals wouldn't want to call the cops on a criminal because they are afraid of getting asked about their status. I feel like It's wrong and just because they are not citizens doesn't mean they should be afraid to call the cops whenever they are REALLY needed.
I know Sheriff Joe doesn't have my vote anymore.

Originally posted by harvib
But it is incorrect to say that all are given treatment even if all our given stabalazation when required.

Which was followed by this. Thus my post.

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Yes but not all are treated even if all who require stabalazation are treated. All apples are fruits but not all fruits are apples.

Originally posted by Jenna

Originally posted by Aliensurge
Oh and more thing. It seems me that the federal government loves illegals. So many illegals are in the armed forces.

The only way an immigrant can be in the US military today is by being a legal permanent resident. This status does not include temporary work or student visas. Up until roughly two years ago, those who were permanent resident aliens could only serve up to eight years, at which point they would be discharged for failure to obtain citizenship. They also could not hold security clearances, nor could they be officers in any branch of the military. Today they still cannot hold security clearances or be officers, but the legal residents can serve as long as they like. Key word there is legal. You cannot in any way shape or form join the US military if you are an illegal alien or hold a temporary visa. Please get your facts straight before posting misinformation about the military.


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You have have a good point there but I happen to know of several Illegals in the armed forces thank you very much
It's just as easy as getting a job in the states. I dunno maybe you should look into the REALITY of things and whats really goin' on. Illegals ARE in the armed forces. But no one criticizes the U.S. Armed forces....WHY!?

As someone who lives in Arizona, I can tell you exactly why some states are fed up with illegal aliens.

1. Anchor babies -

The illegal aliens come over while pregnant or get pregnant soon after crossing into America. They have their babies and then go to the nearest Department of Economic Security and enroll for welfare. Now most of these illegal women have no less than three kids in three years. Then their teenage daughters soon get pregnant at 15 and also apply for welfare, it just goes on and on. That welfare comes from our tax dollars. They cross to have babies and get a free ride while their male companions work and send their money back to Mexico while eating and living off the welfare the babies provide.

This is what 3 illegal children bring in:
A monthly state check in the amount of $470.00
Monthly food stamp/welfare credit card in the amount of $450.00
WIC - which provides free eggs, peanut butter, beans, milk, juice and cereal

Now times that by about 13,000,000 and you get the point!


2. Illegals driving with no license or insurance

Three of my family members have been struck by vehicles driven by illegals. The police let them go and "none" of them have insurance for financial liability. My relatives had to pay to fix their own vehicles. The illegals that hit them provided their information and were let go. This drives up the cost of insurance, creates a danger on the road. They get fake tags and drivers licenses costing the state millions in investigations and record checks.

3. Medical care

Illegals go into our Emergency Rooms to have their children free of charge passing the costs on to the tax paying citizen - again! One doctor I spoke with said he delivered two babies for the same women in less than three years. He said she crosses the border just to have her children and then goes home. This happens everyday and less than 12% ever go home, why would they with all these incentives?!

4. Drugs and criminals

What happens when there are so many illegals here that other illegals cannot find work and are desperate to feed themselves and their families? They turn to dealing drugs to our kids and joining the business with Coyotes doing human traffic. They have found 37 illegal drop houses in my area and have captured over 700 illegals in those drop houses.

5. Jobs for our kids

Summer rolls around every year. They keep saying that illegals take jobs no American's want. Well I can tell you that there are a lot of kids who look for jobs in the summer but can't find them because all the businesses that used to hire them have already filled the positions with low pay workers from Mexico. Not to mention we do not know what kind of diseases they came over with or their stadard of hygiene while preparing our food.


6. Plan of San Diego - Aztlan

Their dream is to reclaim those states they feel America took from them. The plan of San Diego was a plan to kill every American Caucasion over the age of 15. With well over 15,000,000 illegals in America (small army) I do not wish to wait around until they get to the point where they decide to engage their plan and start killing us. Look up the Plan of San Diego.

These people have more rights and are entitled to more than American's!

If we did this crap in Mexico, how long do you think it would last?

Something needs to be done now! Imagine the relief economically if we just cut off the welfare alone! Billions

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by ADisbeliever

 

Well it's very hypocritical at the least. The entire world whines when America meddles with the affairs of the world, but you think it's alright for them to tell Americans how our country should be?

Um. I think the "whining" you are reffering to is in regards to armed invasions and occupations. I don't think the posters on this forum have taken this debate to that level.

Well, millions of people sneaking into our nation illegally every year is quite an invasion if you ask me, and since they stay here, it is an occupation.

As far as being armed, check this recent story out:
www.baxterbulletin.com.../200807220500/NEWS01/807220311

An illegal alien shot and killed a US Citizen for "trespassing". Anyone see the irony in that? The illegal alien had no problem disobeying signs and came here illegally, but shoots someone for trespassing. Jesus christ! And there weren't even any no-trespassing signs when he shot the kid.

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by jfj123

 

The minor price differences in goods isn't worth the loss of American jobs, higher health care premiums and higher taxes we pay to make up for them. They're not scapegoats, they're criminals. You seem to be missing the part that they have committed a crime.

I don't know if the price differences are minor. Also if this is such a problem why is the only campaign a verbal one. In other words why not even an attempt to close our borders? Why are we constantly focused on the effects and never the casue. Seems like an easy enough problem to solve, no?

A few facts about the cost of illegal immigration.

From endiana.blogspot.com...

The Cost of Illegal Immigration- PER YEAR!!!!:

1. Welfare: $11 - $22 billion dollars

2. Food Assistance: $2.2 billion dollars

3. Social Services: $90 billion dollars

4. Medicade: $2.5 billion dollars

5. Education: $12 billion dollars Non-English speaking

6. Education: $17 billion dollars American-born children of illegal's

7. Lost wages: $200 billion dollars Wages lost by Americans

8. Incarcerations: $1.1 billion dollars 30% in Fed Prison illegal aliens

9 Border Patrol: $2.5 billion to $5.4 billion dollars

10. Deportations Costs: $41 billion to $46 billion dollars

11. Remittances: $45 billion dollars $$$ sent to home countries.

THE TOTAL COST OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A WHOPPING $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR!!!

This is approximately 1/2 of our total yearly cost of oil (700 Billion Dollars) we purchase from the middle east.

In other words, Americans who continue to purchase Arab produced gasoline from Shell, Standard Oil, Exxon (instead of US produced gasoline, ARCO, Unocal, Valero) and continue to support unregulated illegal immigration, are costing the American taxpayers $1.038 TRILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR.

The total cost of an Amnesty program for the 12-20 million illegal immigrants, and their families already here, will cost the American taxpayers in excess of $35 TRILLION DOLLARS over their lifetimes.

In the 35 years most of us will spend working in our selected professions, the continued inaction by government regarding illegal immigration, an unabated corporate hunger for cheap labor, and the bleeding hearts that support an open border, will cost the American taxpayers in excess of $11.8 TRILLION DOLLARS. More than enough to secure a future for Social Security for the youngin' just starting to pay into it.

These numbers should be a wake up call for all Americans. You want to help America, stop buying Arab gasoline and stop illegal immigration.

Time for all of us to question whether were are part of the problem or part of the solution to our nations ills.

Time to stop the talk and do the walk. Our future depends on it.

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by jfj123

 

Stabilizing a patient is treating a patient. Also check a few posts back as another poster quoted additional info regarding patient rights.

Your right stabilizing a patient is a form of treatment. But it is incorrect to say that all are given treatment even if all our given stabalazation when required.

symantics. Since stabilization is a form of treatment then treatment is a form of stabilization.

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Olds,

I'm not sure if the data is correct or not but I checked the sources of the blog you linked to and some of the references were nonexistent web pages. Some were web pages who referenced a quote made by that individual. I was hard pressed to find any source that wasn't a trial of a reference of a reference of a reference, etc. Not saying the data is inaccurate it just seems to be difficult to substantiate.

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errr. It is not symantics. You can't make the statment that all are treated even if those who are in need of being stabalized are treated.

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by ohioriver

 

Fair enough. But why since the media has begun to demonize this issue are we now so concerned. Illegal immigration has been an issue since early in our Countries history. The Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the Japanese, Vietnamese, etc, etc, etc. Always with the same issues you have listed. But now everyone acts like it is a new issue. Why?

Also you will have to forgive my ignorance. What is with this ms13? This is another piece of rhetoric that has been popping up lately. I don't watch much T.V. or follow the main stream media.

Rhetoric? Excuse me? You must live in another Nation, or somewhere out in the Country. I grew up around these La Mara clowns, 18th Street, you name it, and they have gotten nothing but worse with the lack of Border Enforcement. Time and time again, in my high school, and in the surrounding areas, close friends and acquaintances have gotten into fights and battles with these fools. They were a constant pain in the neck, and always behind the car jackings, capers, muggings, robberies, and fights. Not to mention how 80%-90% of ALL Rapes and Kidnappings in the area are committed by Hispanics, the vast Majority of which are Illegal. Even the Legal Hispanics that I know are growing sick and tired of it.

I grew up in a very diverse area full of Immigrants, but the only groups we have EVER had problems with are the vast number of Illegal Hispanics. Illegals AND Legals from Ireland, Holland, Germany, China, Korea, Nigeria, Sudan, the Philippines, Australia, Haiti, etc. are constantly turned back and kicked out of this Nation. Meanwhile, Illegal Immigrants from South of the U.S. Border are not only allowed entry, they are also allowed to stay, EVEN while marching en-masse down City streets flaunting and proclaiming their law-breaking status.

You tell me, who is being "Persecuted", and who is being treated with Favoritism?