Why the Persecution of Illegal Aliens

reply to post by TeH PwNeR

They are the ones that are slowly degrading our economy.

I agree with you that our economy is being degraded. But are you sure you have not misidentified the perpetrators?



[edit on 10-8-2008 by harvib]

Originally posted by August Sonereal
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

What law says that illegals be given free healthcare?

Actually, none I'm aware of. An earlier post of mine points out that it is doubtful a substantial number of illegals are getting any service. There are simply too many hoops to jump through to the point now that it can be almost impossible for even a verifiably legal citizen to get it because they have an Hispanic name. This isn't something someone said that I'm simply parroting; it's empirically determined. Personal experience corroborates statement I've heard about anti-immigrant spillover onto legal citizens the superficially resemble someone's idea of what an illegal looks like.

That is my main issue with the immigration debate. We should know who's in the country and require that they be here legally. My girlfriend-- who has paid a price for being Hispanic at this time-- would also agree.

The best thing you can do is treat everyone with dignity. Solve the problem without hate. With hate you will make things worse for everyone-- regardless of race or legal status.

reply to post by ADisbeliever


Mexicans are North Americans.

Illegal aliens have made Phoenix Arizona the kidnapping capitol of America. They have gun battles on the state highways. They steal our cars and take them to Mexico. They commit crimes, get out on bail, go back to Mexico, then come back to do it all over again.

Illegal aliens are criminals looking to perpetuate their criminal lifestyles on American citizens.

LAW ABIDING CITIZENS ARE SICK OF IT. WE DO NOT TOLERATE GANGSTERS TRYING TO STEAL FROM US!

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by jfj123

 

Because it's impossible to close the boarders completely.
In other words, just because I leave my front door unlocked when I go to work, it doesn't give anyone the right to break and and still my things.

No it doesn't. But if you left your door unlocked and were robbed wouldn't you at least make an effort to lock you door the next day? We not only leave our doors unlocked but leave them wide open.


[edit on 10-8-2008 by harvib]

So then I lock my door and they get in by breaking a window.
You try and keep your house secure but no matter how secure you make it, someone can get in if they want to.

reply to post by ADisbeliever


my mother has to pay all of her examinations, her limb reparation, my brother broke his arm and we had to pay.

i had to pay all my blood test for anemia, and all my medications.

i do not understand why your hospital gave free stuff to those illegals, but where i live, we have to pay even more than Americans because we don't have social security, or any kind of medical papers.

Originally posted by CzErased
reply to post by ADisbeliever

 

my mother has to pay all of her examinations, her limb reparation, my brother broke his arm and we had to pay.

i had to pay all my blood test for anemia, and all my medications.

i do not understand why your hospital gave free stuff to those illegals, but where i live, we have to pay even more than Americans because we don't have social security, or any kind of medical papers.

Hospitals are required to treat and stabilze anyone who comes in regardless of whether they can pay or not.

reply to post by jfj123

So then I lock my door and they get in by breaking a window.
You try and keep your house secure but no matter how secure you make it, someone can get in if they want to.

Yes but we aren't even trying. We haven't even closed our doors let alone lock them. They are wide open.

Originally posted by harvib

I disagree. Perspective is very important. Are you saying only Americans have any wisdom that is of value? Again I disagree I think differing opinions give us an opportunity to gain perspective.

Well it's very hypocritical at the least. The entire world whines when America meddles with the affairs of the world, but you think it's alright for them to tell Americans how our country should be?

LOL.

Originally posted by harvib


I don't know if the price differences are minor. Also if this is such a problem why is the only campaign a verbal one. In other words why not even an attempt to close our borders? Why are we constantly focused on the effects and never the casue. Seems like an easy enough problem to solve, no?

I don't know what world you live in, but there has been quite an effort to secure out borders. A 700-mile long fence is currently being built along the border. The US Border patrol service has doubled in size in the last 3 years. The US Border patrol has added more then 500 new checkpoints to known smuggling routes this year alone.

Originally posted by hypervigilant
reply to post by ADisbeliever

 

Mexicans are North Americans.

And Spain isn't in Mexico.

reply to post by jfj123

Hospitals are required to treat and stabilze anyone who comes in regardless of whether they can pay or not.

I haven't seen anything that supports this statment. If I am wrong please point me in the right direction so I can educate myself. So far we have determined that illigal aliens may be offered emergency medicaid that varys from state to state and in some states doesn't even consider cancer an emergency.

reply to post by ADisbeliever

Well it's very hypocritical at the least. The entire world whines when America meddles with the affairs of the world, but you think it's alright for them to tell Americans how our country should be?

Um. I think the "whining" you are reffering to is in regards to armed invasions and occupations. I don't think the posters on this forum have taken this debate to that level.

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by jfj123

 

Hospitals are required to treat and stabilze anyone who comes in regardless of whether they can pay or not.

I haven't seen anything that supports this statment. If I am wrong please point me in the right direction so I can educate myself. So far we have determined that illigal aliens may be offered emergency medicaid that varys from state to state and in some states doesn't even consider cancer an emergency.

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)
www.emtala.com...

virtualmentor.ama-assn.org...

reply to post by jfj123

Hospitals are required to treat and stabilze anyone who comes in regardless of whether they can pay or not.

I do not see where The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act requires anyone to be treated regardless of if they can pay or not. Please show what I am missing.

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by jfj123

 

Hospitals are required to treat and stabilze anyone who comes in regardless of whether they can pay or not.

I do not see where The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act requires anyone to be treated regardless of if they can pay or not. Please show what I am missing.

It's in there. It requires treatment of homeless, poor, etc..

reply to post by EnlightenUp


see that's the thing alot of people don't get. here's a little story. My cousin, hispanic origin, natural-born citizen, parents both residents, couldn't get health care to ease the burden he had to pay after having his appendix burst. I'll give you another example, a friend of mine, illegal *not his fault, his parent brought him over when he was 4* cut himself while we were trying to get back into my friend's ranch because we were to lazy to key in the gate number. he has to get stitches. He had to pay for everything, wasn't free at all. I hit myself with a tennis racket, bust open my eyebrow, three stitches, free because i have health care. It's ridiculous to assume that anyone can get free health care, specially illegals. It's all the same, you have people like Lou Dobbs, fear mongers who need a new scare to get ratings, and sadly, most people just open wide and just eat it all in without even trying research it.

and as far as laws being broken, how is someone coming into our country any more detrimental then lets say, driving 80 on the highway *which is not only dangerous to you but if that tire burst, you'll not only nail yourself but anyone near you when you lose control of your car*...or running a red light, or smuggling ferrets from nevada or arizona to california because ferrets aren't allowed in california? Or how about underage drinking? Because i'm sure all of us follow the laws in the books, because i'm sure we're all model citizens and haven't done anything illegal, bull.

reply to post by jfj123


I don't see where. I did see this however:

If the patient does not have an "emergency medical condition", the statute imposes no further obligation on the hospital.

This is contrary to your claim.

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by TeH PwNeR

 

They are the ones that are slowly degrading our economy.

I agree with you that our economy is being degraded. But are you sure you have not misidentified the perpetrators?



[edit on 10-8-2008 by harvib]

It is not just them, I didnt word my sentence correctly. Our economy is degrading by a bunch of factors not just them. But they contribute to it alot.

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by jfj123

 

I don't see where. I did see this however:

If the patient does not have an "emergency medical condition", the statute imposes no further obligation on the hospital.

This is contrary to your claim.

My claim was TREAT AND STABILIZE. If someone needs to be stabilized, they have an emergency medical condition.

reply to post by jfj123



My mistake. So we are agreeded that unless a person is in need of stabalization as defined in the act as being a meidcal emergency that not anyone may be treated? Therefore can we all agree that the rhetoric being thrown around in this thread regarding illegal immigrants getting free health care is false save an emgergency medical condition?

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by jfj123

 

My mistake. So we are agreeded that unless a person is in need of stabalization as defined in the act as being a meidcal emergency that not anyone may be treated? Therefore can we all agree that the rhetoric being thrown around in this thread regarding illegal immigrants getting free health care is false save an emgergency medical condition?

Not entirely. For example, if someone comes into the emergency room and says they're having a hard time breathing, has a serious cut, is pregnant, etc... , they must be treated. Pretty much anything that happens in an emergency room is covered as it is after all, an EMERGENCY room.