Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

Russia has refused a cease-fire at least twice now.

Russia is an ally of the USA. So is Georgia. So USA will not put troops in Georgia because it will cause the violence to increase.

Where on God's Green Earth do you get this conclusion?? Russia is no ally of the US, and never has been. Why do you think we aren't setting up our Missle Defense system in Russia? Why do you think we don't want Russian Nuclear bombers in Cuba?

C'mon here now.

take your coffee outside
Im going to go watch the sky
I believe tonight we will see amazing things in the sky

just a thought
taking cam with me


ciao

Originally posted by depetydog
take your coffee outside
Im going to go watch the sky
I believe tonight we will see amazing things in the sky

just a thought
taking cam with me


ciao

what makes you say that

Originally posted by depetydog
humanitarians my portside@who you trying to fool.comunist

your lucky im not in charge
I protect my friends first
then worry about that other crap later

I think everyones lucky and quite thankful nobody ever gave you power, lol.

The notion of peace, diplomacy, and restraint would only exist in science fiction novels.

Not putting you down, but you really do get excited over war dontchya?

I for one would like to see that this doesn't escalate as far as you might like it too... remember, war isn't like what you see on your TV screen.
Basically, watch what you wish for, you might get it.


I'm currently compiling a day by day recording of events, so that as we get further into this, I can point back to it. I'll put it on my blog, but not yet.

reply to post by jetxnet


I think that's a reference to Russia's power of veto on the UN Security Council.

Comes in handy when the US wants to pass resolutions against Iran, which Russia has actually largely agreed to.

Of course, if Russia were off the UN, as McCain has suggested, they wouldn't need to worry about Russia as much.

Russia have to do something to stop Georgia to go into NATO this december. The only way would be to occupy them, otherwise Georgia will see a major buildup of NATO troops in 09, which will lead to increased tensions and probably Russia putting nuclear bombers in Cuba.

I think that's a reference to Russia's power of veto on the UN Security Council.

Comes in handy when the US wants to pass resolutions against Iran, which Russia has actually largely agreed to

Russia will always exercise a Veto when it comes to it's ally, Iran. Of course they're not going to give the US any head-way there.

I've read that Russia hasn't agreed to much really, but have stood in the way more than necessary with regard to Iran. The sanctions to this point have been utterly worthless and now this last one, the most serious one that would actually affect Iran after two years of worthless debate, Russia is not agreeing to.

If they agree to sanctions on Iran, doesn't make them an ally. We wouldn't mind our allies landing their Nuclear bombers in Cuba if that were the case.

reply to post by RenegadePsycho


Russia has put out a peace offer and negotiation deal with Georgia on the table two days ago. It had two conditions:

1. Georgia withdraws from S. Ossetia.
2. Georgia signs a ceasefire.

Georgia has not taken Moscow up on the offer. In turn Saakashvilli has not made any credible offer back. A credible offer in this case would be Georgian agreement to leave S. Ossetia and cease shelling it.

Originally posted by maloy
reply to post by RenegadePsycho

 

Russia has put out a peace offer and negotiation deal with Georgia on the table two days ago. It had two conditions:

1. Georgia withdraws from S. Ossetia.
2. Georgia signs a ceasefire.

Georgia has not taken Moscow up on the offer. In turn Saakashvilli has not made any credible offer back. A credible offer in this case would be Georgian agreement to leave S. Ossetia and cease shelling it.

Do you have any information on what Georgias actual ceasefire conditions were? Also where did you get this information from?

Russia Tells U.N. Security Council It Won't Agree To Cease-Firewww.kktv.com...

There's your answer its all in the pot baby and Georgia is the pot

reply to post by RenegadePsycho


The info is from a Russian source I posted some time ago. I think RIA news.

What do you mean ceasefire conditions? In the Russian offer?


And those of you talking about Russia not agreeing to the UN resolution - have you read the resolution? Do you know what it states and what the conditions are? Don't just to conclusions that Russia does not want ceasefire. It wants a ceasefire on the terms acceptable to it and to S. Ossetia.

Russia has issued its own ceasefire resolution long before the UN did. Read back on August 8 news. Georgia ignored it, hoping that it still had a chance to occupy South Ossetia.

Originally posted by Rentor
Russia Tells U.N. Security Council It Won't Agree To Cease-Firewww.kktv.com...

There's your answer its all in the pot baby and Georgia is the pot

www.iht.com...

and yet another link stating Russia will not agree to a ceasefire...

WOW!! On BBC NEWS 24 it shows civilians in Georgia with lit candles spelling out STOP RUSSIA....

The only reason the US getting into this conflict would cause a nuclear war:

We would start kicking their behinds so bad that launching nukes would be their only option at saving face.

Sending ground forces into Georgia is next to impossible. The surge brigades just got home over the last few months and the rotation is just about maxed out. It had been said that the US would not be able to maintain surge levels of troops past spring 08. Got ya.

What we do have is an Airforce which has been letting officers go. It would be a dirty fight. But the key element in todays battles (hold the nukes) is air superiority. Right now Russia has air superiority to do whatever they want around Georgia. Take that away with US support and you have a battle that Russia cannot win. The US didn't buy those F-22's to let them collect dust. With air superiority and a attack helicopters Russia cannot win. Which brings me back to where I started, this could bring about nuclear war.

Now what are the chances that the US is going to back Georgia? I don't believe it's going to happen. Russia don't want it to happen. I believe they will get as close to the line (of it happening) as they can without crossing it.

Should we sit back and let this happen? No. But we can't support allies that are going to make moves that put us in positions where we can't support them. We could take Russia. But it's going to cost US more than we are willing to pay. They ain't no Iraq. But we wouldn't lose.

reply to post by RenegadePsycho


After the cameras pull away the candles spell out "Please don't take our sons to fight your dumb war Mr. Saaka".

Originally posted by jetxnet
Where on God's Green Earth do you get this conclusion?? Russia is no ally of the US, and never has been. Why do you think we aren't setting up our Missle Defense system in Russia? Why do you think we don't want Russian Nuclear bombers in Cuba?

C'mon here now.

Yeah you are right, that would be my mistake. Will you accept the term Frienemies instead?

Originally posted by maloy
reply to post by RenegadePsycho

 

The info is from a Russian source I posted some time ago. I think RIA news.

What do you mean ceasefire conditions? In the Russian offer?


And those of you talking about Russia not agreeing to the UN resolution - have you read the resolution? Do you know what it states and what the conditions are? Don't just to conclusions that Russia does not want ceasefire. It wants a ceasefire on the terms acceptable to it and to S. Ossetia.

Russia has issued its own ceasefire resolution long before the UN did. Read back on August 8 news. Georgia ignored it, hoping that it still had a chance to occupy South Ossetia.

Heres another question for ya, why wouldn't Russia Invade Georgia
the best way to show the world don't mess with us

reply to post by Styki


Military posturing by U.S. is the very last thing this conflict needs. I understand that is too fun to theorize on how U.S. will gloriously defeat Russia and evil and terrorists, but this is an isolated conflict and U.S. has far more pressing military needs to attend to.

Originally posted by maloy
reply to post by RenegadePsycho

 

After the cameras pull away the candles spell out "Please don't take our sons to fight your dumb war Mr. Saaka".

haha...

news.bbc.co.uk... theres some new images of the conflict.

Originally posted by Rentor
Heres another question for ya, why wouldn't Russia Invade Georgia

the best way to show the world don't mess with us

Simple answer - the world today is not run by warlords (well maybe except for Africa and a certain nation in Western Hemisphere), but by economists and PR experts.

reply to post by jetxnet


That's a good question - it's difficult to define what actually constitutes an 'ally'.

We've had the war on terror - and Russia has officially been an ally with the US on that. Of course Russia does business with Iran, but Russia isn't pumping money into Iraq to fund a mujihaden, ala Afghan-style against the Soviets.

That's why America and NATO are in Afghanistan now - their little terrorist monsters that they funded to defeat the evil communists in the 80s had gotten out of their control and developed illusions of grander.

Iran is not necessarily a militarily ally of Russia - they do trade, and I'm not making them out to be angels, but Russia has urged Iran to accept the incentives package in relation to its enrich program several times.

Russia helped put together the package that the US and everyone else wants them to accept.

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