Russia/Georgia Situation News & Updates

Saakashvili remembers me a maniac husband totally surprised and staggered, standing with hands in blood above the corpse of his twotiming wife that he was carving while cops breaking in his apartments hearing screams of the victim. 'What the deal? I'm in my apartments, officer, this is my property, I can do here everything I want.'

Originally posted by 4thefight
Does anyone know what the six-point peace plan contains? I can't seem to find anything on it.

According to Russia Daily

At a meeting in Moscow, the Russian and French presidents called for the sides to sign up to the following principles:

1) Non-use of force.

2) Stop all military action.

3) Free access to humanitarian aid.

4) Georgian troops return to their previous positions before the conflict.

5) Russian troops return to the lines they held before the start of the military operation. Before an international solution is worked out Russian peacekeepers are taking up an additional security role.

6) The start of an international discussion over the future status of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

russiatoday.com...

I can't confirm this from other sources yet. EDIT: Truther confirmed this on the previous page at the bottom

[edit on 8/12/2008 by AceWombat04]

pepsi78,


Lets respond to all your points, one at a time, shall we.

"Question: when you state S.O who are you refering to? "
That would be the terrorsts attacking from South Ossetia-Hence S.O.

"Yes by launching rockets killing every one in the area, good plan. "
So, you admit it was S.O. terrorism and Russia's ignoring of it that caused the area to be attacked in responce-admittedly more responce than needed

"Again who are you refering to when you say S.O? "
Again, O.S. refers to South Ossetia-you don't seem to even know what area was making terrorist attacks that started this.

"How about, if Georgia accepted S.O independance none of this would of happened?"
So, Georgia was supposed to accept terrorist attacking them and trying to take their terroritory-- and just do nothing??

"If there is only a small group as in "the separatist group" then again Georgia is to blame because they killed and distroied towns full of people."
I agree, the seperatists and the do nothing Russian peacekeepers are completly to blame for the attack.

"Is this your way of avoiding it all? I guess you can't put it how you want it?Because it's not like you want it?
I can make a quote and state they...or them...and make it sound right...right? "
NO, It is the way of showing the "FACTS" of this situation.
Because you don't like the facts and want to ignore them, does not change the facts.
S.O. stated this, Russian peacekeepers--did nothing to make or keep the peace.

I am sorry if some people don't like to read the actual cause of all this, but we present facts here and if someone does not like the facts, perhaps they should not read this post.

[edit on 8/12/2008 by mrmonsoon]

Originally posted by mrmonsoon

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
FACT: After 2 days of attacks with Russia doing nothing to stop it, Georgia took matters into their own hands, as they had to.

...and let me point it out for you again (because you don't seem to be able to comprehend that) that it was Georgia's obligation to open up on a sleeping city of Tskhinvali with Multiple Launch Rocket system and turn it into dust along with some 1000 to 2000 inhabitants. Right? That's a common practice among civilized nations fighting terror.

Allow me to repoint out, O.S. made 2 full days of terrorist attacks on Georgia/men/equipment/people.

Let me repeat for those who don't get it, O.S. Started this by attacking in terrorist attacks.

What they got was a "RESPONCE" to their 2 days of terrorist attacks.

Also noted, the so-called Russian peacekeepers did NOTHING about or to stop these terrorist actions so both S.O. and Russia are to blame.

GREAT POINT!

The idea that Georgia just randomly decided to kill 2000 civilians with rocket and artillery attacks is ridiculous. I still have doubts to the actual deathtoll in relation to who actually killed who.

Russia has been planning (months) much, they took action, the west was unprepared not thinking it would come so soon or so quickly.

Georgia probably did exactly what they should have done as a sovereign nation.

nuff said.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
pepsi78,


Lets respond to all your points, one at a time, shall we.

"Question: when you state S.O who are you refering to? "
That would be the terrorsts attacking from South Ossetia-Hence S.O.

"Yes by launching rockets killing every one in the area, good plan. "
So, you admit it was S.O. terrorism and Russia's ignoring of it that caused the area to be attacked in responce-admittedly more responce than needed

"Again who are you refering to when you say S.O? "
Again, O.S. refers to South Ossetia-you don't seem to even know what area was making terrorist attacks that started this.

"How about, if Georgia accepted S.O independance none of this would of happened?"
So, Georgia was supposed to accept terrorist attacking them and trying to take their terroritory-

- and just do nothing??

"If there is only a small group as in "the separatist group" then again Georgia is to blame because they killed and distroied towns full of people."
I agree, the seperatists and the do nothing Russian peacekeepers are completly to blame for the attack.

"Is this your way of avoiding it all? I guess you can't put it how you want it?Because it's not like you want it?
I can make a quote and state they...or them...and make it sound right...right? "
NO, It is the way of showing the "FACTS" of this situation.
Because you don't like the facts and want to ignore them, does not change the facts.
S.O. stated this, Russian peacekeepers-

-did nothing to make or keep the peace.

I am sorry if some people don't like to read the actual cause of all this, but we present facts here and if someone does not like the facts, perhaps they should not read this post.

[edit on 8/12/2008 by mrmonsoon]

Your Hired!!!!!!

Some news coming in from the Georgians:

SKY TV - AFP: Senior Georgian official says country's military has suffered heavy troop and equipment losses, including loss of three coastguard ships.

Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev's opinion on the matter:

A Path to Peace in the Caucasus

In Tskhinvali, South Ossetia's provincial capital, the body of a Georgian soldier lay in the street along with debris. A poster hanging nearby showed Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and the slogan "Say yes to peace and stabilitypeace and stability" as South Ossetian separatist fighters launched rockets at a Georgian plane soaring overhead. Broken glass and other debris littered the ground.

Yahoo news

I think this sums up their intensions.


AlBeMeT

While controversy and conflicting reports surround the reinvigorated international diplomatic efforts to put a tenuous cease-fire between Russia and Georgia into writing, the separate yet related conflict between Abkhazi rebels and Georgian forces continues.

MOSCOW, Aug 12 (Reuters) - Rebels in Georgia's breakaway region of Abkhazia said on Tuesday they had pushed out Georgian troops from the upper Kodori gorge, Interfax news agency reported.

"Units from the Abkhaz military have completed an operation to push out the Georgian army... from the upper part of the Kodori gorge," a spokesman for the Abkhazia's self-styled president, Sergei Bagapsh, was quoted by Interfax as saying.

www.alertnet.org...


[edit on 8/12/2008 by AceWombat04]

has anyone heard about the Georgian president resigning before the election in Georgia?

en.rian.ru...

RUSSIA ORDERS HALT TO WAR

MOSCOW/TBILISI (Reuters) - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev ordered a halt to military operations in Georgia on Tuesday but Tbilisi cast doubt on the announcement, saying Moscow was still bombing towns and villages.

The announcement coincided with the visit of French president Nicolas Sarkozy to Moscow on an EU peace mission and seemed intended to help international efforts to negotiate a lasting truce.

Sarkozy said Russia and Georgia, who have been fighting since last Thursday, had not yet agreed a peace deal, adding: "We don't yet have peace. But we have a provisional cessation of hostilities. And everyone should be aware that this is considerable progress. There is still much work to be done....What we want is to secure the best result."

Wow, Way to go FRENCH!

This is certainly a step in the right direction.

So Russia is halting operations. And we shall soon see if Georgia will obey the call to lay down arms as well.

Somehow I doubt Georgia will lay down arms. If Russia ceases fire, Georgia will likely just open fire on another city, claiming the city to be "terrorists".

But at least Russia is giving Georgia the chance to prove they desire peace.

[edit on 12-8-2008 by johnsky]

reply to post by johnsky


Welcome back. Indeed it is a step in the right direction. We first heard about the order to halt operations late last night (U.S. Pacific time, that is - its now 10:15 AM here) See page 161 (and on) for details of where negotiations stand. Essentially Russia has agreed to a six point peace plan proposed by France, however Georgia claims air strikes are continuing. No independent confirmation as to whether or not this is the case. Russia also demands that Georgia sign a non-use of force agreement with respect to South Ossetia, and has said that it will be forced to take "other measures" if they do not. Fighting between Abkhazi rebels and Georgian forces contines in Kodori gorge, with the rebels claiming to have pushed Georgia out. Russia says it will keep its forces in Abkhazia and South Ossetia in a peace-keeping role as well.

That's where we stand thus far today, at least as far as the media is reporting it.

[edit on 8/12/2008 by AceWombat04]

Georgia still on track to join NATO, alliance chief says

reply to post by AceWombat04


Thanks so much for the briefing. I'll go back to 161 and read on to check any small details as well.

I wouldn't put much credibility in Georgia claiming to be attacked by bombers, there's a few videos out there so far of Georgian forces ducking to avoid planes that simply aren't there. Not visual or audio.

They're spooked. They'll call a bombing out of any loud noise they hear at the moment.

reply to post by johnsky


Oh don't worry; I'm not putting much stock in what anyone says at this point, until we have more independent confirmation on the ground. Throughout this conflict I've been consistently misled (whether intentionally or not) by spokespersons for both sides, and I aim to avoid falling for it again. The level of media exploitation in this conflict has been almost unprecedented despite its brevity. I'm hoping international observers will report soon on what the situation is. It does sound encouraging though, thankfully!

[edit on 8/12/2008 by AceWombat04]

[edit on 8/12/2008 by AceWombat04]

Georgia confirms earlier claim by Abkhazi rebels that they had driven Georgian forces out of Kodori gorge

TBILISI, Aug 12 (Reuters) - Georgia pulled its forces from the upper Kodori gorge in breakaway Abkhazia on Tuesday after Abkhaz forces advanced into the area, the interior ministry said.

"We removed everything we had there, police and civilians," ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili told Reuters.

Abkhaz separatists said earlier they had driven Georgian forces out of their main foothold in the breakaway territory. (Reporting by Matt Robinson)

www.alertnet.org...

Originally posted by AceWombat04


Oh don't worry; I'm not putting much stock in what anyone says at this point, until we have more independent confirmation on the ground. Throughout this conflict I've been consistently misled (whether intentionally or not) by spokespersons for both sides, and I aim to avoid falling for it again. The level of media exploitation in this conflict has been almost unprecedented despite its brevity. I'm hoping international observers will report soon on what the situation is. It does sound encouraging though, thankfully!
[edit on 8/12/2008 by AceWombat04]

Thats the right thing to do Ace , as i have noticed people that have not follow the senario and the thread from the very begging are completly and when i say completly missled and have not yet realized to what really happend , and as usual many of them are ignorant.

The French did a gtreat job to help bring an end to this and as for Shakhasvili no matter what lies he is going to cry out i can bet he will be prosecuted for war crimes against humanity

[edit on 12-8-2008 by Russian Boy]

reply to post by AceWombat04


Perhaps now Georgia might take Abkhazia's declaration of independence seriously.

Unfortunately for Abkhazia, artillery pieces can't exactly be chased when they're too far to reach. I fear that might be Georgia's next tactic with Abkhazia, now that police and all official Georgian presence has been removed, they might decide to shell the hill.

reply to post by Russian Boy


Absolutely. It seems most people who come into this scenario late have a few misled beliefs. Some of them seem to believe russia invaded georgia without provocation. Some believe it was russia that declared war on georgia... the list goes on.

Unfortunately for them, the BBC completely omitted the shelling of Tshinvale, and made it look like Russia just waltzed in and started killing people.


As such, I'm boycotting BBC. Their obvious political bias has left me with a bad taste in my mouth.

Reuters on the other hand has been portraying facts. I haven't seen barely a single opinion on the war, other than the reporters reporting on the presidents opinion (Georgia, Russia, etc.)

[edit on 12-8-2008 by johnsky]

Originally posted by AceWombat04
reply to post by johnsky

 

Oh don't worry; I'm not putting much stock in what anyone says at this point, until we have more independent confirmation on the ground. Throughout this conflict I've been consistently misled (whether intentionally or not) by spokespersons for both sides, and I aim to avoid falling for it again. The level of media exploitation in this conflict has been almost unprecedented despite its brevity. I'm hoping international observers will report soon on what the situation is. It does sound encouraging though, thankfully!

[edit on 8/12/2008 by AceWombat04]

[edit on 8/12/2008 by AceWombat04]

"The level of media exploitation in this conflict has almost been unprecedented"

How old are you really 12? Do you really think that opposing Ideologies have just started using propoganda. "Unprecedented" HHAHAH this is only a small sample, read your history books.

Comon man!