Sea Sheppard Captain shot by Japanese Whalers

to be blunt - is it possible to stick to the chuffing topic ??

ie - did the crew / security detail of the whaler really shoot the protest boat captain ?

because frankly - the protestors have supplied ZERO credible evidence so far , why is that ??

reply to post by ignorant_ape


I'm reasonably comfortable that Americans don't require evidence or a semblance of a clue judging by the intellectual nuances displayed by such mental giants as those who brought the planet George Bush and his band of yes men and that pathetic excuse of a "military"... especially on "entertainment sites". Japanese even less.

Evidence ignorant-ape? Hah. You are evidence. You see much of the rest of the world views the Japanese actions and the US support for that as a crime against the planet. I hope many US citizens one day will be the "friend to the planet" as claimed by your "President" Bush.

I can't wait until they try "saving" Polar Bear and stray into Canadian turf. Inuit are good hunters. I think it's more fun to hunt US humans for sport on the internet... especially fun on English language websites where "all the best of the best" who can't spell or read very well hangout... folks like you ignorant_ape. Folks like you. Now go for a drive if you can afford the fuel and make a mortgage payment and be sure and sign up at your recruiting center!

The United States of America? Garbage pail humans in waiting IMHO.

Have a pleasant day ignorant_ape, I will enjoy watching US citizens squirm and writhe under the weight of their own unique bloated and overweight stupidity. Some of us think you'll really start to kill each other off politically when your vets return "home" and people start to "whine" like people from Jersey.

Best damn entertainment on the planet is the United States of America and it's incestuous relationship to itself. American Eagle? Seagull.

Now go eat some whale meat and pretend you are potent.

Vic

[edit on 8-3-2008 by V Kaminski]

I’ve read this thread with quite a bit of interest.

If this question is to be considered “derailing”, please ignore it. If you can see it as part of the discussion (based off of what others have said and discussed) please answer:

Why do those who claim to have such a love for animal life have such a propensity to advocate violence against other humans? Why is it morally reprehensible to hunt whale, a legal enterprise, but “OK” to throw acid at a human standing on a ship? Why do you view humans as outside nature and not a part of it? How can you entertain the notion that whales are “smarter” than us? If they are so smart, wouldn’t they have the capability to recognize hunting ships and avoid them?

I think Dogs are wonderful, intelligent creatures. Koreans eat dog (and other cultures too). Would it be OK with you if I traveled to South Korea and started a personal campaign of throwing acid in the faces of those who’s business includes dog? Would you provide for my personal defense with monies?

These questions are serious; I’m not trying to be funny.


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reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar


Look up the type of acid. Ah, but you don't read the whole thread do you? Or you'd be aware of that wouldn't you? It creates a bad smell. No worse than a Yank waterboarding right? No worse than a Japanese sailor shooting a Canadian born human eh? No worse than dragging a dead American service-person through an African street right? No worse than Nazi's gassing people right? No worse than you SlightyAbovePar.

I pefer shooting "fish in a barrel" SlightyAbovePar. Thank you for the angling opportunity.

I won't mind one bit when whaling ceases to satisfy one culture's lust for aphrodesiacs at the expense of the potential extinction of a species and the stupidity to defend such unsustainable practices.

Cheers,

Vic

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reply to post by V Kaminski


Thank you for responding, but, none of your answers are to questions I asked.

What do you think about the questions I asked?

I live in Japan also and anyone who buys this bogus excuse of "research" is a fool.
Whale meat is not as popular now as it once was in the Japanese culture. Fact.

For all of Japan's success in winning support from other countries for its campaign to ease the restrictions on whaling - especially smaller countries which receive Japanese aid - the Japanese people are losing interest.

Whale meat is only served in a few specialist restaurants, and occasionally appears on supermarket shelves.
Younger people almost never eat it.

Emphasis mine.

The whales they insist on killing relentlessly pretty much all goes on the shelves for purchase and to restaurants to cook and serve.

All of the whale meat sold in Japan comes from the 400 whales or so that Japan kills every year for "scientific purposes"

Japan pushes the whale meat revival


That number is increasing, and for what exactly ?

This year, for the first time, it [Japan] has awarded itself a "quota" of up to 50 humpbacks to be killed in the summer hunt in the Antarctic and Southern Oceans, which is starting now, to accompany the killing of as many as 935 minke whales and up to 50 fin whales, in what Japan's Fisheries Agency says is its largest-ever "scientific" whale hunt.

Japan fleet sets off to hunt the whale that nearly died out

I added the [Japan] to clarify.

I have also read enough on the cause of the Sea Shepherd organization to throw my full support behind them. I may even donate some money now.


[edit on 8-3-2008 by ImJaded]

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
........because frankly - the protestors have supplied ZERO credible evidence so far , why is that ??

Two reasons:

1. They can't
   
2. To the targeted audience, it doesn't matter if it’s true or not. The charge of wrong-doing is enough, as evidenced by some posters behavior
   

i]reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar


Not much. Even less of your informed nature SlightlyAbovePar. I don't care to be interogatted by someone who supports such nonsense. But I will enjoy occupyinng your attentions in this matter for entertainment.

To quote you on this thread SlightlyAbovePar

"If you kick a tiger in the nuts a few times, you can expect to get bitten.", I tend to agree.

I sorry you are unenlightened and unwilling to effort the goal of improving yourself. Don't expect help from this quarter. You simply are just one voice amongst a chorus of ill-informed and under-enlightened fools. Many hands make "light" work. LOL. Whales and golf.

Vic

[edit on 8-3-2008 by V Kaminski]

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
to be blunt - is it possible to stick to the chuffing topic ??

ie - did the crew / security detail of the whaler really shoot the protest boat captain ?

Is the man's word really not enough proof ?

"I felt an impact on my chest at one point," said Watson, founder of Sea Shepherd.

"I didn't think too much of it at the time," he told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. "When I opened up my Mustang survival suit, and I have a Kevlar bulletproof vest, there was a bullet lodged in."

paul Watson says bulletproof vest saved him

reply to post by V Kaminski


Thank you for your response, although you failed to answer any of my questions. You may have missed them.

You're very verbose when it comes to highlighting what you think of me, but I didn't ask your opinion of me.

I encourage you to re-read my post and see if there are any questions in there you might take a shot at answering?

[edit on 8-3-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar]

reply to post by ImJaded


When someone gets shot and a bullet resistant vest defeats the bullet it isn't pretty.

The movies make it seem like you go "owe" and everything is okay. Not true. If you take a shot to the chest, with a vest, you can expect broken ribs, severe bruising, etc. The person getting shot is still absorbing a lot of the energy (several hundred pound feet) of the projectile. It's true that the bullet doesn't penetrate the vest, but the sledge hammer’s worth of energy is still transmitted to the person wearing the vest (although over a larger area).

If this guy was actually shot, he would have - at the least - a big, nasty, purple welt. That should be easily photographed and correlated.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar


If this guy was actually shot, he would have - at the least - a big, nasty, purple welt. That should be easily photographed and correlated.

Just my opinion.

And I understand and respect your opinion. It was noted the shot he took left a mark although I cannot say - or find - anything to corroborate this was recorded medically and/or photographed.

He said the impact left a bruise. "If I wasn't wearing my vest, it would have been pretty serious."

same source as linked in my reply above.

[edit on 8-3-2008 by ImJaded]

reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar


If I was a real smart Japanese spin-doctor with a PR problem like this I'd have some rent-a-schmucks on the net doing something similar to what you appear to be attempting... minimization and data-neutralization. I mean who better than an English-writer claiming to be in residence in Japan?

People who have an interest should look up Captain Watson. Met him a time or three at the late Bob Hunter's place. I think I'll cut Sea Shepard Soc a cheque.

Cheers SlightyAbovePar from Hokkaido,

Vic

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reply to post by ImJaded


Please allow me to say I am not arguing with you. If I have come across that way, please accept my apology.

I am only offering another possibility and I am in no position to judge anyone's credibility.

It's an interesting topic and I find talking about it with you, and the other reasonable posters, very interesting.

Again, I only offer possibilities and hopefully contribute to the discussion. I don't want you to think I am arguing with you and I am in no position to make any judgment.


[edit on 8-3-2008 by SlightlyAbovePar]

reply to post by V Kaminski



As I said a few posts ago, if it's considered derailing, ignore it.

I asked questions that I felt were on topic, given the tone and turn the conversation has taken. You were the one who made the decision to jump in with both feet and make the topic of discussion me.

So, again, thank you for responding. Do you care to answer any of the questions I've asked, or does your desire to discuss me, instead of my questions, still interest you?

reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar


Noted and appreciated. I know full well how text can be misinterpreted but I did not sense any hostility from you in regard to my comments so no offence taken.

I personally just don't see any reason for this man to lie. I have read and seen enough on him to acknowledge his claims on this and now know enough on the Japanese to understand their stance on this also.
When it comes down to it ? Not many will go into this discussion on whaling with you if you ask. As our other member residing here in Japan noted, it is scarce to find a Japanese national who will go into any sort of discussion on this particular issue with you.
My assumption is they really do wish to avoid confrontation ... and they either support it or just don't care enough about it to say or do anything.

I personally got so riled up about this that I wished to stage a peaceful protest about it at one stage however I took into consideration my husband's military profession, the reason we are even here, and decided that was a bad idea ... more so for him and us than for the cause.

At the end of the day, I cannot be mad at the Japanese people for wishing to prosper in their culture and traditions, I do however have a problem with them forcing it upon their young and those uninterested - and to use that as an excuse to kill innocent creatures senselessly.


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reply to post by SlightlyAbovePar


How professional of you. Continue. I will follow your "arguments" and interject where I feel appropriate. Yes as you say "you aren't judgemental and can't assess credibility". Very interesting selection of words. I "like" your comments it's such a great relief to have one's points made for them.

My Missus' says I should consider dragging this out for months... I do have access to significant related data... not about this specific incident but the history of these practices.

According to those "in the offices" this will be brought to the attention of the international legal community again and again... every time those who you would appear to advocate for break international laws and shoot people.

You know, my Missus' could be correct, I tend to think longer term though and I now that I'm retired I do need a good sport other than sailing.

Thank you for informing the ATS community SlightlyAbovePar as to who and what you may be. I have a new nine iron in my cart.

Vic

EDIT: To add,

Hokkaido National Fisheries Research Institute 116 Katsurakoi, Kushiro, Hokkaido, 085-0802, Japan

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reply to post by PsykoOps


i think its a question of respect for other intelligent species.do you know how advanced the whale is?,we shouldnt be hunting and eating such beings in the modern world where we have million other altenatives for whale products and flesh,which is a delicacy and can only be afforded by the rich.i understand hunting them if you truely need them as a food source,but the japanese clearly dont,its all about money and perhaps the principle of it,they dont wanna be told what to eat by other countries.

Check vox2442 post on page 2, you can get it around the same price than a stake from markets. Hardly a delicacy.
Wheter or not whales are intelligent? Sure, so are cows, horses, dogs etc. That's just the way of the world, we are the strong and we eat the weak.

reply to post by V Kaminski


Again, thank you for your response. It's unfortunate that you can not answer the questions I posed and feel more compelled to continue to discuss your opinion of me.

You may find it valuable to first understand who is talking to whom within certain posts. You'll seem much less unhinged that way. It may also benefit you to realize when you've gone past the point of talking to yourself and have moved into the realm of talking and arguing with yourself.

So, I would like to encourage you to think about the questions I have asked and if you're capable, respond.







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