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reply to post by Eighty59


It is not just the Catholic church. It is any denomination.

My father was a Pastor up until I turned 25. He pastored in non-denominational churches and Baptist. The last Church he pastored, had a messianic congregation that met on Saturdays in our bldg. (I actually preferred to attend their services.) Both believed in it.

Anyways, I myself have seen what some call demonic possession (especially on a trip to Russia in '91). Whether it was really demonic or psychotic...I dont know.

But, I just wanted to let you know its not just a Catholic thing

Wow, pretty chaotic thread. As far as I can tell religion is poison.

reply to post by time4chg07


Having been raised in a ”non religious” home I searched for answers. Been through Zen, Buddhism, Transcendental Meditation, Krishna, the Vedas , Taoism . Found all lacked the simple complexity of the bible. Let’s say inspired men wrote it over a period of a thousand years or so. It tells the story of man at his basic self loving self , being told to love another ,the one who created them , and in the process love others. Man who thinks nothing is for free must do something to be worthy ( sacrifice a portion of your livelihood) to earn a place with God. The temple while it is a place to do this, is also a monument to what is to come, the last sacrifice . every thing in the Temple points to the time when all this will not be necessary. Man has to learn to obey , he of course fails, works to pay his own ransom and goes on. The lesson are simple “Don’t eat the fruit! failed ” Ok now give me a portion of your best, and it must be an animal not grains. So brother kills brother, failed!. Soon the list of things becomes 10 simple things to do. Man makes the ten rules more complex and adds a government of senators and congressmen to rule and have power ( Pharisee and Sadducee). Man still fails So God steps in and Gives the last sacrifice to us and all it costs us is belief. Historical proof is abundant, there is more proof of Jesus than of Plato. But we are free to believe what we want this sit is proof to that. There is no proof of historical Mormonism but quite a few believe in it. There is witness, film, and ovens to prove the holocaust of world war two but thousands don’t believe it. You will find your pastor is no closer to God than you. Humans always mess up the works, that is why we were given a way back no mater how many times we mess it up. What is right is always in front of us, we get to choose, kill a child, beat a woman, homosexuality, lie, unfaithfulness, we choose. People will scream on the beach “I am god!” or drink poison Kool-Aid or burn up in a house because another says he is god . Choice is what sets us free, others , humans want power. Choose freedom, believe, it is the easiest hardest thing to do.

Moses was an initiate in the mystery schools of Egypt,being royalty (raised by pharoh's daughter).You will find striking similarities (blatant rip offs) from Egyptian religion passed down to Judaism.


Well known in Egypt, including at the time of the Aten cult was the following passage from the Book of the Dead:

I have not robbed.
I have not coveted.
I have not killed people.
I have not told lies.
I have not trespassed.
I have not committed adultery.
I have not cursed a god.

Josiah's unification process takes Moses, an Ideogram combining the Ahmose who expelled the Hyksos, and the Mermose who led the Egyptian army to great victories, and credits him with receiving the Ten Commandments in tablets of stone. In reality these laws are an elaboration of the above declaration.

Add to this the fact that the obscure Egyptian king's "Hymn to Aten" is almost "word for word" Psalm 104 in the Bible and we have another compelling "coincidence".

These and other "coincidences" apparently convinced the renowned Psychologist Sigmund Freud, writing in his 1939 book "Moses and Monotheism", that the Jewish monotheistic faith had its roots in the Akhenaton cult religion.

Originally posted by time4chg07...Basically, what im trying to do. is gather all the information I can on the bible and Christianity and everyone’s thoughts and beliefs on it...

Encounters with ancient gods, God, or angels - that are documented in the Bible (and other ancient texts).
It has been found that some of those encounters were with time travellers who were perceived to be gods, God, or Angels.
This puts a new context regarding religions.

Summary of seven years of research may be found via Link: www.worldbreakingdiscoveries.com.au...

I used to be a devout Christian of the Catholic sect. And when I say devout, I mean DEVOUT. I was convinced that God existed with no questions asked. I feel a little crazy for it now, but I used to talk to God as if he was in the room with me. To my surprise, believing wholeheartedly in God didn't make me any better then anyone else, it even hurt me because I was crippled socially and emotionally because I thought God would always be there for me like I was taught to believe. Still I thought nothing could be done without the grace or help of God, and I asked and thanked God for damn near everything. Then I began to have questions........

fast forward a few years and I am now interested in Anton Levayen Satanism. The concept of an all powerful God, especially one that cares about our meaningless affairs on Earth (he sure has a funny way of showing it, with all the disease, wars, and doomsday scenarios that plague our lives) is utterly ridiculous.

Imo many people who cant accept the way the world is use religion and God as a crutch in hope that there'll always be light at the end of the tunnel and there's someone out there with the ability to make everything right so they themselves have no reason to be afraid because God's working in his mysterious ways. Idk about you but even if God existed I'm not sure if I would want to praise a being that carried out some of the atrocities in the Bible. But yet Christians choose to ignore this and simply point out a few key points and phrases in the good book, and yet they still condemn members of other religions to damnation although they share the exact same main set of beliefs just because they practice there's a little differently.

Imo the powers in control use and have used religion to separate and oppress humanity into submission.

[edit on 4-11-2007 by Fo Shiggadee]

reply to post by Vanitas


About the OT being sub legem: didn't Christ say that he came to fulfill the law, so really didn't Christ complete the law? I think it's a common misconception that everything that God did thousands of years before Christ came by instituting Levitical law and the Torah and so forth was meant to go to waste when Christ was crucified. It seems like you have a good idea what you are talking about, so I don't want to strain over a gnat or anything, but much like the Messianic Jews believe, the Torah and the NT are inseperable. If the OT did nothing else than predict the coming of Christ and John the Baptist as Elijah, I would believe it just for that reason.

A lot of the tidings in the OT have to be taken with a grain of salt, because most of what we know was passed down from generation to generation and after a while the manuscript gets polluted with careless lunar precision and so forth but all God wants us to do is to serve him, in which case the itty-gritty facts of the Bible are neither here nor there.

reply to post by sequan-1


You have found a lot of truth!

You need to reconsider what you know about the WWII 'Holocaust'. Study people like Zundel and other 'Holocaust Deniers'. It's not a question of whether MANY Jews (and others) were persecuted and killed by the Nazis during WWII, what's being questioned are some of the 'details', like:

Is 6 million an accurate estimate?

Was there an official Nazi policy to exterminate all Jews?

Were Jews 'gassed'?

Was this the historically significant 'event' politicized and 'milked' by Zionists?

Nobody in their right mind and equipped with 'basic facts' would deny that persecution and killing of Jews took place! However, there is a growing body of knowledge that the 'event' was engineered and details 'created' which do not reflect reality. Why? Because the engineered event served an ulterior motive of Zionists. The 'Holocaust Industry' (Finkelstein) proved to be a convenient and profitable by-product but it was not premeditated.

The significant hypothesis (to be proved or disproved by additional holocaust research) is that the 'Holocaust' was a Zionist deception to brainwash Jews into blindly supporting Zionism's post-WWII agenda ("Greater Israel", genocide of Palestinians, 'Balkanization' of the ME (Iraq and Afghanistan), seizing control of the Media and America, clandestine Dimona nukes, the NWO, etc.). The more significant result (and question) will be: If the WWII event was not the real Holocaust, when will it occur??? (Will it be a literal 'burnt offering' or melting and where and when will it take place?)

reply to post by Vanitas



Being cavalier about your intentional(?) error is not the appropriate response. True repentance is! You don't have to take back everything you said - just the mistakes.

Homosexuality is NOT acceptable behavior according to Christian principles - just like a lot of other behavior (like lying and coveting others' possessions). All sin can be forgiven, however, if there is repentance (asking to be forgiven). "The flesh is weak", as Paul well knew.

reply to post by captainplanet


Everyone will be accountable for their actions - even thoughts! There will be no opportunity to put the blame anywhere else! Beware of deceivers - they were prophesied to arrive in large numbers during the End Times (NOW!) and succeed in deceiving even the 'Elect' (presumably that means Christians). Are many TV 'Evangelists' deceiving the sheeple? (millions). You betcha!

just a quick reply to

"Real quick, another example is the word Lord that we use for Jesus, well that comes from King James and the whole peasant system where you had Lords and Knights and so on and so forth. King James therefore starting using Lord for Jesus. As a matter of fact (and I can go all day by the way)"

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title): KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir. (means one and the same thing)

(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

The orig word for Lord is kurios from the orig greek meaning supreme authority. theres much more meaning to the word than just in the what we understand. Research the texts and the wording.

- as for a lot of the other threads, Guys I have seen GOD heal people before my eyes as I laid hands on them, I have seen people possessed get delivered before my eyes as I have laid hands on them, I have seen miracle after miracle that GOD performed in New Orleans after katrina as I was a missionary down there. My pastor was over in India and has photos of 2 men blind from birth receive their sight. A man deaf and dumb receive his healing and spoke afterwards. She brought home the pics to prove it. Its your choice to receive what GOD has done for you and to follow Him. He created you, He's given you a way out an an choice if you choose it. hes given you His owners manual to study (bible) if you don't like it thats fine theres only one choice for you left then and thats hell. ITS not a nice place... you not designed to go there and although HELL is the closest translation from the greek word hades... but the word sh'ol does and in revelation the lake of fire does as well... heres the outcome

Revelation 20:15
Anyone whose name was not found written in the Book of Life was hurled into the lake of fire. Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

have a relationship with your creator, don't just go here and there wandering, find the answers yourself if you ask GOD and keep on asking Him He is just and will show you the answers. Hes not that hard to find... actually pretty easy. If anything to be saved from spending eternity in a lake of fire rotting and being torn apart for ever doesn't sound good... dont seek GOD then.

theres no if or maybe in that equation. IF you don't believe - heres a video for you... www.spiritlessons.com... 23 minutes in hell and watch the video... if that doesn't make you think... convince you research the story of the recording done by russian scientists who drilled 4 miles down into the earth looking for plate shiftings and lowered a microphone down in and hear what they recorded - NOT PRETTY.

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or www.youtube.com...

Peter was married, Jesus had a bunch of brothers and sisters, study the orig hebrew and greek texts and no one bible is perfect in its whole translations. thats why you need to study and show yourself approved. Ask the Holy Spirit to guide you as you seek out your plan and purpose here. Thats if you have even accepted Jesus as your Lord and Saviour... we do as Jesus did, we follow as He shows. Its a servants life. To be an overcomer.

love you guys, please seek Jesus, Hes so cool.
GOD BLESS

Read a study by Dr. Stoner called Science Speaks. You can google it. This Prof. of Mathmatics offered his students to study the odds of probability by using the Bible as to its prophecies. Realise that honest prophecy has record of when the prediction was made and when it was fulfilled. The study made a believer out of the class and Dr. Stoner. If you add up all the odds of probability for each prophecy and converted those odds into sand it would use up every grain on earth. If there is 9 chances out of 10 that a stock will go up most would say that is a safe bet. As you read the study it is like the analogy "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and it has feathers, it must be a duck!" I believe in the Jesus of the Bible because NO other religion can claim so much Prophecy! All of the other religions are pagan including most of the christian world. There is a God and a One World Order being framed as I type. Anyone who wants to comment on this post it must be understood if you don't read the study first your comment is moot.

So here were Blueangel7 and I, holding off the onslaught of the horde of God's enemies and doubters - and then reinforcements mysteriously arrived! You don't suppose they were Godsent, do you?

reply to post by Eighty59


I was raised non-denominatoinal, and we believed in strict interpretation of the Bible, and we believed in demons; I believe in demons, I mean look at Legion. When Christ said "What is your name" he replied "Legion, for we are many." I personally think demons are the same as the evil spirit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Greeks called them "Sprites." I don't think demons are little gremlin-looking things with high voices, sharp teeth, red eyes, and a tail that it uses as a whip. Demons are just the inverse of the spirit of good. Typically, people associate the spirit of good as being God, the Almighty, the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, etc. and likewise demons as Lucifer. I personally believe the reason the Catholics believe in demons is because at the organization of the Catholic religion (the specific time period I'm referring to would have been during the persecution of the Christians shortly after Christ's death), alot of what they "experimented" with was Satanism and from what I have researched, they actually experienced demons through exorcisms and resurrections of spirits or "Spiritos" coming from the Greek "Sprite"

reply to post by jondular


That is really the bottom line. The problem with that is most people feel that as long as I say Jesus is my lord just because look at all the Biblical prophecies. I personally know people who believe in Jesus just because they "know" it's the right thing to do rather than really believeing what God has to say and accepting his word as Gospel, and eventually being saved by it. If you (and I don't mean you) but if people are Christian because it's the right thing to do, than they have already fallen into that apathy it talks about in the NT (Galatians I believe) but even how Peter said he who confesses with his mouth out loud that Jesus is the Christ will be saved (that is an abreviated quote but you get the point) so to be saved you have to actually believe that Jesus will save you, because you believe in your heart he will, not because its the right thing to do.

Its your choice to receive what GOD has done for you and to follow Him. He created you, He's given you a way out an an choice if you choose it. hes given you His owners manual to study (bible) if you don't like it thats fine theres only one choice for you left then and thats hell. ITS not a nice place... you not designed to go there

Well, you see that's the biggest problem with Christians today. You feel that since there are people out there who don't believe like you do, that they are going to hell. Oh, but you are going to heaven of course because you know you have seen blind eyes opened, so you must be born again. Look, I grew up in the center of the Bible belt for 17 years of my life, and all I heard as a Christian was "Anathema if you don't believe everything that the pastor has to say because he is God's vessel" and it's really a haughty belittling demeanor that actually pushes more converts away than it does attract. All I'm trying to say is that you don't win people over to Christ by telling them they are going to hell if they don't believe your message: which is pretty much what you did. If you think about the Church of England (which is pretty much the Catholic church), when the King ordered a decree, all he had to say was "Thus saith the Lord!" and everyone would do it without question. So pretty much just because you feel that you are saved you feel that those of us who question the Bible are doomed. And just because people like you stamp God's name on everything doesn't make you guys any more of a Christian. And believe me I was raised in a border line Cult, I know about religion extremely well. There is not a story I haven't read, a parable I haven't heard, or an anecdote that I'm unfamiliar with. You have to believe in Christ to be saved, that's why when Jesus was healing the centurion' son, he asked him "Do you believe" and he completely put his trust in Jesus to the point that He said "In all Israel, I have never seen such faith" and Jesus didn't say "You're going to hell because you're not Christian" As a matter of fact, he was probably Catholic because the officials at that time were primarily Catholic.

Originally posted by captainplanet
reply to post by addvantage666

 

They could update practices and teachings to bring it into the 21st century without destroying the source material. We don’t have to throw away the bible, just its ‘clubs’. Come on, its from Rome....we aren't even on that continent anymore. At least i'm not. They don't fit in a democracy.

Well, whoever the "they" are in your reply. I say that every single religion in the world holds some form of corruption. The Bible will always remain. As for "Rome" aka the papacy, theyare the biggest corrupters of the Scriptures and put their tradition above the Bible, that directly contradicts the Word of God.

I know that it will be a long read, but see the accuracy of the interpretation on my web page; www.666beast.net... Even those who disagree with the entire research, still cannot refute the evidence. As for bringing it into a modern setting; nothing can be set in a modern setting until the time comes for future prophecy to be fulfilled. It will be only speculation until God allows it to be revealed. What I wrote on my web page could not have been written in 1960, it would not have made sense. It had to come to its fulfillment at 1978 and afterward before it would have been revealed.

The sad thing of all "HU" man kind is the way we use words to LABEL ourselves in any group of something. And trying to search for an answer we look for may already be inside some of we need proof of an answer by asking others opinions. They offer another version that may at first seem helpful but may lead you from what you already know is TRUTH. But its YOUR TRUTH. Our own way is our TRUTH that when realized if you let another diss proove what you feel, it will undo where you have already lit your path towards the Y in the sky that calls anyone in the designed for you in your thoughts to help you believe in your very own beliefs that make you as the SOUL you are in. I'm not preaching, trying to change or taking something away from one that is thework of another, but just SEE YOU ARE YOUR OWN WAY, and its how the SPIRIT may come to you as it SEES the best way to find you in your own MIND, and not through all that the EYES and EARS have been taught that U R but as what you FEEL YOU R to BECOME AS. Good luck and see it as it IS, the will you begin as you free yourself from all that seeks to captivate you from YOUR OWN TRUTH.

Originally posted by brotherforchrist
Moses was an initiate in the mystery schools of Egypt, being royalty (raised by Pharoah's daughter). You will find striking similarities (blatant rip offs) from Egyptian religion passed down to Judaism.

Well known in Egypt, including at the time of the Aten cult was the following passage from the Book of the Dead:

I have not robbed.
I have not coveted.
I have not killed people.
I have not told lies.
I have not trespassed.
I have not committed adultery.
I have not cursed a god.

Josiah's unification process takes Moses, an Ideogram combining the Ahmose who expelled the Hyksos, and the Mermose who led the Egyptian army to great victories, and credits him with receiving the Ten Commandments in tablets of stone. In reality these laws are an elaboration of the above declaration.

Add to this the fact that the obscure Egyptian king's "Hymn to Aten" is almost "word for word" Psalm 104 in the Bible and we have another compelling "coincidence".

These and other "coincidences" apparently convinced the renowned Psychologist Sigmund Freud, writing in his 1939 book "Moses and Monotheism", that the Jewish monotheistic faith had its roots in the Akhenaton cult religion.

Not so. Moses did not copy the commandments from Egyptian teachings. You are dissing the only words in the Bible that God wrote directly Himself.

But don't dispair, other Bible writers quoted other pagan's works:
Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

The Devil is a plagiarist, he knew the Laws of God before they were written.

I'm a recovered Catholic- about 35 yrs clean. to be honest I have had 2 occassions of relapse both Catholic Funerals- man is it ingrained!- every stand ,kneel , sit , Our Father and Hail Mary with out a hitch. Scary indoctrination.It kind of freaked me out how easily it all came back- I'd stop attending Catholic Masses at 9 .These funerals have been in my 40's, thirty yrs tucked in there until the right button was pushed- that's called being "Programmed". And no one does it better than the Catholic Church - they wrote the book.
After that I realized I didn't buy any 'Organized' religion (Mom married, changed to Prebyterian). Did everything to ge tout of attending- my parents finally gave up trying. I proclaimed my self an Atheist by my early teens and have remained of tht belief until the last seveal months. I've been inadvertatnly lead down a philosophical path. I've been bouncing around Buddhism, Pagen and String Theory. I'm finding that Science and Faith have sooo much in common. Frankly I'm seeing the Bible, Torah, Koran as the early explanations to cosmic occurances held in our collective minds.
What if we are merely cells in a larger being, thus the cells in our bodies are entities within themselves. where does a god start and end? Like a pebble into a still pond- life 'echos' out. Ultimately we are responsible for the entities within us (thus we must care for ourselves and our environment which sustains us AND we are responsible to care for this Planet (and the neighborhood) for the benefit of the larger entity. Now that is best summed up in one of two words -by God or Nature. they are synonymous. And truely- Does it matter which? The destruction of the planet (or those who have been given the emmense responsibilty to care for all of it) would be a sin against God and Nature. It's not Who or What we came from. It's what we do with all we've been given while it is under our superivision and care. The meaning of life is just to pass it on to the next generation so they too can keep this ball rolling for what ever the purpose may be. Heaven or Hell is here on Earth, its in our hands.
What more divine do you need, what more Calling do you need, What more proof that Mankind can be the worlds own Savior or Satan?
We need to stop looking up for answers and start looking in the mirror, and at those we place in positions of power. Whether God or Nature- we have committed grave transgressions against our purpose in the world.
My philosophical mandra now is believe everything, but follow nothing. All religions share the basics, the rest is just crap that needs to be knocked off the bottom of your shoes before you enter THE HOUSE. KISS- Keep It Simple Stupid.