Our 3 dimensions will become 4 and time goes bye bye

I also found this article from 2005, saying that in 2012, the Federation of the Universe representing all the 88 star constellations will officially visit earth in 2012 and reveal themselves.

The map of the Universe and charted position of galaxies will be presented to the earth. In 2012 the world will come to understand finally the actual evolution process, the process of bending time and space, the fact that gravity is a wave and not a force and the fact that the whole Universe is run through electromagnetic flux generated through natural process or artificial means.

Source: Link

Its interesting that they say this will occur in 2012 as well. Im not saying its true, but you have to admit that the frequency of UFO's are only increasing for each passing year. Maybe it is to get us used to it, like they say in the article.

For those still doubting aliens exist and want a quick page with some credible witnesses, the Disclosure Project witness page here is a good place to start your research.


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very interesting read, as soon as I started to read this thread, I remember a recent Islamic prophecy I read.. ..

from Islamic Prophecy- Final Signs of Qiyaamah

Time Will Contract

Truly among the Signs of the Last Days are that time will contract, knowledge will decrease, shortages and miserliness will become prevalent, afflictions will appaear and then there will be much (harj)killing/

and

The Hour will not take place before time shrinks. One year will be like a month, one month will be like a week, a week will be like a day, and a day will be like an hour; and an hour will be like a burning flame.

of course the above is open to interpretation but the implication made in this thread certainly can be used to confirm that it is possible for Time to Contract.

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The line above this magical box I'm typing in says not to reply with posts like 'I agree'...

I can not but agree, friend. Conclusions based on pure theoretical speculation... or even random guesses can only be tossed into the absurd can. But without speculation, progress may forever escape us. Maybe this thread should be taken out of scientific context and placed, instead, in a philosophical one.

I fear my ramblings helped create that philosophical context - and look, ma, no wine! I digress to a more scientific discussion should there be one to have.

Originally posted by memoir I digress to a more scientific discussion should there be one to have.

As a math idiot, I'm screwed.

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Again I must point out that this paper is *not* saying that this thing is actually happening - it's pure mathematics, reasoning about what the equations would say if we put in some very odd values. Very interesting to theoretical physicists but of no relevance to the real world at this time.

revelation:10

6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer

According to this site, the 2012 date is not only from the Mayans, but from many teachings around the world:

End of cycle that falls on winter solstice 2012 is not only biblical apocalypse or judgment day. Same event is described in all “mythological” or spiritual teachings of the past period under different names. In Egypt it’s the time of Zep Tepi or return to the beginning – original point of creation that’s periodically repeated through cyclical nature of time in order to transform old into new. It’s very nature of space/time as described in rising of phoenix (benu) bird from its own ashes. In Sumer and Babylonia same event is referred to as “times of crossing” associated with passing of 11th planet (Niburu), which is also depicted in Egyptian “mythology” and elsewhere.

Source: Link

That site is generally a interesting read actually. Its about a book, but it does contain a lot of free information about fractality, the holographic universe, celestial mechanics and other interesting things.

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we will be able to see what we cant see right now ?sounds like what you can read in the book of revelation 6:12 and i beheld when he had opened the 6 seal and there was a great earthquake and the sun became black and the moon became as blood and the stars of heaven fell to the earth and the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together and every mountain and island were moved out of their places ------yes indeed sounds quite exciting .doesnt look like someone like myself that gets easily bored with day to day life will be when 2012 ? gets here.

Originally posted by jim_w
Again I must point out that this paper is *not* saying that this thing is actually happening - it's pure mathematics, reasoning about what the equations would say if we put in some very odd values. Very interesting to theoretical physicists but of no relevance to the real world at this time.

Unfortunately no one cares here. It's just a math model, and no one even knows if this model is accurate (string theory). So they pick out something from every thing pole #, ETs, the long dead Mayas (did they foresee their end?) to predict and end of the times that is never going to happen (anyway how many predicted end of times have we survived).

Copernicus said that we do know nothing. That's the only thing a agree with in this thread (and with jim_w)

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your putting it a little strong to say no one cares here---i'm no einstein---and i'm sure i'm not alone----there's lots of things i'd like to understand that are beyond the present abilities i was born with---thanks to genetic damage? whatever---i can hardly remember what i've done today let alone what happened yesterday!

This garbage only helps to illustrate how little we understand. W/O time there is no change. Things stay static. It's amazing how people like these guys make things up and just becasue of their educational background alone they are taken seriously. I'd like real proof not a math proof. Math proofs don't mean much here since we'd have to have a MUCH better understanding of the universe than we have now to make a prediction like this. You people amaze me. You guys do know not all physicists buy inot the Big Bang theory or the expanding universe model right?

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funny-part of what you are saying in this arab?prophecy is contradicted by the message of the angel gabriel to the jewish prophet daniel to write down in chapter 12:1-4 at the time of the end michael the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people(israel)will arise and there will be a time of distress such as never occured since there was a nation until that time and your people,everyone who is found written in the book will be rescued--------------------but as for you daniel hide these words and seal up the book until the end of time;many will go back and forth and knowledge will increase.

You can believe any "model" you want to, something IS gonna happen in 2012 or sooner or later -- there's a vaguely, general statement for you.

Still reading "2012 -- the Return of Quetzelcoat" and it's really getting insane, a couple of chapters about Grays and crop circles. Which I used to believe were done by college students w/ geometry equipment but after reading this, I kinda think differently about them. About 150 pages in it, almost 400 total, it's just out in paperback, people should check it out. I'll post a new thread w/ a review of the highlights when done.... Grays abduct people, show them videos of earth blowing up and supposedly are friendly in his research. They/other *being* will arrive in earths' final hours to help us, supposedly.

Some of those crop circles were done by "orbs of light" that can create them in a matter of seconds, he says there's witnesses to it happening, that, I'd like to see.

There's other amazing stories, again, I'll post a review sooner then later, got some free time.... back to this topic more specific, I can't see how people doubt everything, do you have some insight/technology to SEE the rest of the universe to know we're not approaching a back hole or galactic equator? Then, someone was attacking the grammar of the article and another that you can't believe math?!? Why bother posting anything at that point?

This book has me thinking, a lot, about catastrophe, which after livng S11 first hand, it's nothing new. I think a pole shift could occur, maybe that's what the Grays are showing people w/ their "yellow books" and such. Without an atmosphere, we're doomed, only the underground cities survive, if that, and Atlantis rises, hopefully spaceships arrive to evacuate all while everything else burns alive. W/ a pole shift, this is what happens, we'd lose the atmosphere for awhile. Bomb/fallout shelter? Will you survive?

Yeah, wonderful, have a great day. Enjoy these 1,800 days!

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Another guy posted what looks to be a very interesting document about the shadow government, the rockefellers, the Ufo coverup etc... here.

Just so you dont run out of things to read.

Originally posted by anhinga
You can believe any "model" you want to, something IS gonna happen in 2012 or sooner or later.



Then, someone was attacking the grammar of the article and another that you can't believe math?!? Why bother posting anything at that point?


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I can tell you what's gonna happen in 2012. I'm gonna wake up, wipe the sleep from my eyes, shower, brush my teeth, throw on some cloths, make breakfast for my wife and daughter, and then go about my day. The order in which I carry out these tasks may vary a little from day to day but in general this is what will happen for me at least.

As for the math... It sounds like you haven't taken many basic math courses. Math proofs deal with many different equations which try, through the use of math logic, to prove the validity of a proposed math equation. What makes up an equation? Variables and constants. Now in order for you to have a valid equation based in reality you must know what the variables are which apply. Since our knowledge of the physical universe and its workings is pretty damn limited we can't realistically begin to tackle such a task.

I like how you feel I shouldn’t bother posting if I’m going to criticize your argument. I didn’t attack you grammar since this isn’t an English class. If that’s the best argument someone can come up with against your post I’d say your post is pretty solid. I saw flaws in your logic and an obvious lack of understanding of the state of our knowledge of the physical universe and pointed these out. This is a discussion and as such you should expect to run into people who do not agree with your position and challenge it. I’m sorry if you aren’t mature enough to deal with such things. Instead of telling me I shouldn’t bother responding why not try offering me a well reasoned response to my reply? I was under the impression this place was here for everyone to discuss and debate various ideas not stroke someone’s ego. If this is a place for coddling people and not for honest debate and discussion then I will be more than happy to go elsewhere and find people more open to a real discussion.


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I agree with yahn goodey. I care. Don't dismiss the topic or any of us so easily. This, for me, has been a fascinating, thought-provoking thread. I think it's a great example of the true spirit of ATS.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether others like it or not.

:twocents:

I remembered reading in the past about black holes that it was proven when you get near them time becomes like space and space become like time.I have been doing some searching but have not been able to find a reference. I know this is different from what they are predicting as our space dimensions wont become time like but it kind of proves that dimensions can/do change. If anyone can find a source that shows this can you please link to it.

I think it was Hawking that said it in a book.

I did find a mention of it on this page.
www.nature.com...

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Originally posted by Ziltoid_the_Omniscient
I remembered reading in the past about black holes that it was proven when you get near them time becomes like space and space become like time.I have been doing some searching but have not been able to find a reference. I know this is different from what they are predicting as our space dimensions wont become time like but it kind of proves that dimensions can/do change. If anyone can find a source that shows this can you please link to it.

I never heard this. Now I do know that in the presence of a strong gravity time appears slow down. The stronger the gravity is the slower time will appear to flow until it will appear to stop. Some think black holes empty into another universe. No one knows what goes on inside a black hole because the laws of physics as we know them appear to break down inside them. At least on paper they do. Black holes are a mystery.

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Copern, that Indian article and other thread are pretty amazing, the latter is pretty wild, written by a Pleidas commander?! Pretty cool and long, haven't gotten to it yet...

Since on this "2012, Return of Quetzalcoatl" book, I've dog-eared about 20 pages or more, there's about 100 pages of boring, new age "shanti shanti" kinda nonsense mixed w/ some also boring history but overall a good read, look for used on amazon, usually a lot of new titles there. 150 pages to go, love doing the book in a day thing....

There was a part, again, related to this about the "Dark Age" we're in now in MAYANS time cycle and threats of peak oil next year along w/ economic collapse. I'm going to start a thread soon about their comprehension of time, it'll blow you away how in tune they were/are. (still millions alive)

Also, that stargate article start w/ "...don't run on any spacecraft"?!!?!?



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I was thinking exactly that after Tom Bedlam mentioned time stop or time dilation...

This is a translation from Suratul-Ma'arij, line 4:

The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him (thereby), in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years (of your normal worldly years)

Time dilation?