Our 3 dimensions will become 4 and time goes bye bye

Originally posted by memoir
26000 light years from the black hole of our galaxy...
26000 years in the Mayan time cycle...

Coincidence?

I find that pretty stunning! Just trying to get my head around the possible significance of it.

If the black hole is 26000 light years away from us (or was at the beginning of the current Mayan cycle) than that means it would take 26000 years for us to see it (if we were able to see that far). So the black hole that we see now is 26000 years old right? We are seeing the manifestation of the black hole as it existed at the beginning of our current cycle. Am I being really stupid or does that not mean it could be much closer than that now in reality, without us being aware?

I'm fascinated by number relationships. I believe that much of it is a secret cosmic code and that we will benefit greatly by identifying the relationships - like the whole 108 thing.

Originally posted by uplander

What are you talking about? Frozen in time? Does that mean you'll be trapped in your body and unable to move or something?

It's one of those classes of singularity called a "big freeze" - as the time axis becomes space-like, there's a point where it has no projection, essentially, it was time-like before, and space-like after, but as it switches it's neither. Since there's no duration at that point, time stops.

Tom, I've always liked your point of view.

It seems all that schooling didn't destroy your will to go beyond the confines of standard (acceptable) science.

reply to post by jbondo


Thx. I found the article to be interesting - they didn't pull the science out of their rumps. It's actually "for real" at least as far as I can tell, that isn't my forte, and I'm too loaded down to really dig into it, although it looks like one of those fun things to try on a rainy day.

But what you have to ask is -

1) Are they correct in terms of the maths, it would take a long time for me to parse it. More than I'm willing to spend. I'm working on a couple of things that are a LOT more interesting than that, at least to me.

2) Is the model correct for something that wacky - as you get out toward the fringes of any model you get erroneous results due to stuff you didn't take into account

3) I'm pretty sure there are lots of other ways to get the same cosmological observations, so it may be AN explanation but not necessarily THE explanation

4) Poking around singularities in models is always fun, because it either tells you a place where something dramatic happens, or the model's naff. Either one is a big score.

I put it squarely into the "wow, that's pretty cool, and if I ever get LOTS of spare time, it might be worth looking at just to see where it's wrong, or I can spot the mistake in logic, or find something else that's interesting they missed" category, but not in the "OMG, it's time to kiss the kids goodbye" category.

I already live in the 11th dimension, I don't need to float to it no more. But...maybe yall still do

Originally posted by laiguana
I already live in the 11th dimension, I don't need to float to it no more. But...maybe yall still do

Perhaps you are, but your perception is only able to 'see' the 3rd/4th. Seeing through the 6th dimension for example, could possibly mean -- you are able to see that amazing civilzation on Mars, or on the Moon. This could explain 'astro traveling' or 'remote viewing'. We always hear how they use it to go to other planets, and that they see civilizations where we see a dead planet. Maybe they are just liars or loons, OR -- maybe AT/RV could be a way of temporarily tapping into higher dimensions... past the realm of physical, where you're able to see things through a different frequency.

The point is -- we got to stop thinking we know everything and start being a little open minded to the possibilities that exist -- even if we aren't aware of them yet.

[edit on 11/10/07 by Navieko]

mmm, this is an interesting concept. If time became a spatial aspect, then I think it would be very interesting indid. We would be everything, yet nothing at the same time. After all, if the reference point the begins in time goes away, then there is no way to judge how long something takes. Since theoretically it would already be here as soon as it is thought.

This being said, I would have to disagree with this article, and with the intensive overthinking these people are doing. Put simply everthing our universe exists upon relys upon time. Time is a constant that is required for everything to occur, or for energy to change to matter or motion. That being said, if time was taken out of the equation, how would these changes occur? would they occur? I don't think its possible them them to, if time was taken out, however if you existed when time was taken out, you couldn't cease to exist, as this would require time to do so, additionally, your body wouldn't rot, or process chemicals, which is required for thought, or motion, therefore, while we would be here, it would be equivalent to not being here(think manikine in the window). its there, yet it doesn't look out, it exists, yet it doesn't move, additionally its very cells would simply stop. cells are composed of atom, atoms are defined by density, and speed(number of electrons --electricity which has a speed based on time.)

SUMMARY:
I don't think this is correct, and I think there over thinking it. Just like I myself and probably overthinking this. There are few constants, this being said, I safely believe Time in our universe is one of them. God help us if it wasn't.

Regards,

Camain

Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
I put it squarely into the "wow, that's pretty cool, and if I ever get LOTS of spare time, it might be worth looking at just to see where it's wrong, or I can spot the mistake in logic, or find something else that's interesting they missed" category, but not in the "OMG, it's time to kiss the kids goodbye" category.

Can't waste your time if you even learn one little tidbit you didn't know yesterday. At least that's how I see these things and I believe you are similar.

Problem with me is I often dive into stuff I am completely ignorant of instead of dazzling people with what I actually know. That's where you help out because even though you may not know it well either, as I said, you look at things from a unique perspective. So I not only learn from the thread but I learn from your style at the same time.

My father always said: "If you're going to look, dig for the gold dust." I have no idea what he meant but I never forgot it.

Alright, enough of that as y'all might get a swelled hed!

This is one very cool subject to ponder....

reply to post by jbondo


You'd like the stuff we're working on right now. I just can't go into it.

Heh. It's really preliminary. But it's one of those light bulb over your head things. The really funny thing is that I got it one night on ATS. It wasn't anything any one guy said, I was hopping back and forth between about four threads and a bit of each of them got stuck in my head and voila! out popped this totally insane idea.

The problem is, it has held up so far to poking at it with the math stick. So we're going to start trying to figure out how to build one, but it's new territory for all of us.

But it's fun to work on, and at the moment it's eating up all our spare time. It's not the sort of idea you would turn down 'real' work to work on. But if it hits, it's martinis on the beach, instant retirement for all. Anyways, it's all full of quantum math like this thing in the thread, but it's a lot more upbeat and fun than universal instant death, and at least theoretically you can actually build something to try it out, so it's got that going for it.



[edit on 11-10-2007 by Tom Bedlam]

Is it possible that If the time dimension were to merge or whatever, That time would just freeze and we would be frozen in time fro tens of thousands of years and than one day awake as if nothing ever happened?

I find this difficult to contemplate. Time is just a word we use to describe progression - therefore time cannot stop. Progression could, in theory stop (just as the OP is suggesting time might), but we have no reason to believe it will.

But, even if something is not moving and not changing, it is still progressing. Otherwise it would cease to exist. To continue to exist it must appear throughout time - it therefore must be affected by time. It is progressing.

According to the OP and his/her source, our universe has existed in this timeless state before. How can it be that the universe changed again? Progressed again? With no progression/time there is no change.

So how can this be? Am I missing something obvious?

reply to post by subliminaut


evidence from biblical history shows a time in our recent past when there was a 360 day year and a 30 day month-----at the time of noahs flood approximately 2451 bce.at the time of mans early creation shortly after the dispersal from eden in iraq----clay tablets have been unearthed that indicate a year comprising 290 and 291 days.time as we know it has already been changed a couple of times since modern type man has kept records so there is no reason to believe that time will not change again and maybe 2012 will be the year of the next change ?

reply to post by jojoKnowsBest


funny you should mention the buisness of time not dragging by anymore-----i notice the same thing even before ending working for a living may of this year.since starting my sabbatical on into retirement ending june next year time has even accelerated more rapidly------time flies when your having fun ?

reply to post by Atlantix


the government is working hard to dumb us down ?----and i'd say they are very successful-----i havent been able to fill out an income tax form correct 1 time in almost 40 years of trying-----it always comes back corrected for me-----and having just flown back from myrtle beech s.c. i had no idea that my eu passport wasnt enough-----where is your visa ? the customs guard wants to know you cant come in here without 1 didnt the airline company tell you?----oh great---no----i dont have a clue what you mean-----then other guards come along and say hurry him up he's got to get out of here-----so now they throw a form at me to fill out for a temp. visa---which i have to sit on floor to do----of course i get everything on the wrong line and am told your have to do it again----oh great ---reminds me why i always hated school---then the demand by others ends the foolishness and i'm rushed thru anyway------your right----they want us dumb !

reply to post by DraconianKing


So maybe Al Gore is not crazy after all.

The global warming, climate changes, earth changes and wobbles, the increase in storms of great magnitude, the sudden fires burning out of control, in my opinion, say that something different is happening.

Find your own proof. You could do a comparison of the times. Look up old newspaper archives, try going back every 20 or 30 years and take a look at some of the stories and then decide if there has been a change in the behavior of people or not.

If you can't see it the cause could be:

1) microchip implant

2) you are just in denial

3) you don't want it to be true because you are very, very comfortable with the way things are.

reply to post by Atlantix

If we merge with the 4th dimension, we will appear in a world filled with negative aliens, that will be used to the 4th dimension, and will be able to enslave us easily.

We are already in a world of negative control and we are already enslaved. So I think it may be just the opposite. The negative will dissipate and balance restored.

reply to post by R-evolve

unless things enter our sensory spectrum then they will not exist for us everything else would have to change because we are not capable of suddenly extending our human limitations,

If your sensory spectrum is already deprived and an unveiling occurs your sensory spectrum would open up not close. Which is why the unveiling is a slow process. The shock of it may boggle the mind. Every day prepares you for the next.

reply to post by Navieko

maybe AT/RV could be a way of temporarily tapping into higher dimensions... past the realm of physical, where you're able to see things through a different frequency.

It may also be that the mind is the gate to the dimensions (houses) which allow some to see beyond the average sensibility.

From earth we physcially only see one side of the universe. The other side is unexplored. Science, in my opinion views space the way people used to view the earth, flat.

Originally posted by R-evolve
just out of curiosity but the mayan calander had to end somewhere didnt it, otherwise they would still be working on it now

, it just so happens it ends soon and im confident 2012 will go by without a hitch. I have a calender every year and it ends every year with a hangover what makes the mayan calender so special other than the fact they were very aware of the stars. Also we have evolved in a 3 dimensional world i dont think we could comprehend 4 dimensionial world (excluding time) if for some reason all sound changed to a pitch so high we couldnt hear it we would not instantly evolve the ability to hear it we would just be deaf, if such dramatic changes did happen im afraid i think we would just be left behind.

You just hit the nail on the head. Everyone freaks about the the Mayan calendar's end date, but it has to end somewhere, doesn't it?

Also, for the poster that couldn't find Marc Mars online anywhere else, I found this link to some articles that he's written and many, many other links,so he is a real person.

If I believe that he is right however, is another story...

reply to post by Ziltoid_the_Omniscient


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And why exactly is this a bad thing?

I ask because when i was a younger chap, i dreamed of a world with extra dimensions - i was at a stage where i could imagine worlds with different rules* or added rules as easily as you would imagine a musical score or even videogame plot.

In fact, it was in attempting to predict my own future that this became apparent to me.

So who are you to say that this is a bad thing?







EDIT: *The world without rules was pretty turd - i'd call it purgatory tbh.

[edit on 13-10-2007 by Throbber]