Our 3 dimensions will become 4 and time goes bye bye

Just imagine a world without the time dimension. What would be the consequences? Its hard to grasp.


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It goes with the hopi indian prophecy actually. They believe we are in our fourth civilization now (previous ones have been ended since humans were slaves to science and money and did not see the value of human life, much like we are now).

Yeah, they believe it. Trouble is there were no civilisations on earth before modern humans, ever.

We could end up getting swept up into that black hole that's in the Milky Way and actually, I don't think we know enough about black holes to have any idea how that would effect us.

The sun has been orbiting the galactic center since it was formed 4.57 billion years ago, at a distance of 26 000 light years. I don't see how a black hole 26 000 light years can suck us in, and if it can it wouldn't have waited 4.57 billion years to do so

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What an immense 'thing' to wrap ones head around. My opinion? It's absurd. In all fairness, however, this site has made me 100 times the skeptic I was before I awkwardly stumbled over it. At times I find myself rolling my eyes in disbelief at supposed new UFO sightings. But then I remind myself that I've seen things with my own eyes that aren't supposed to exist (according to the [m]asses). So, I must digress and give [most] things a second thought, at least.

I'm no mathemagician. I'm no scientist. I'm an overworked, underpaid, and most importantly; underslept web developer. But hey, I got a 104% in Advanced Placement Physics, so must count for something, right? Right?

I'm just going to talk myself through this... well, type myself through this. These are just my thoughts strung out like coke whore on Sunday morning -- so, I'm not making any conclusions or trying to convince anybody else of anything...

Time as a spacial dimension. The first issue I have is the separation of space and time. The fourth dimension (time) is really nothing more than the observable (even if gone unobserved) alteration of all space. The fourth dimension is also a relative one. One meter is one meter no matter where you stick it or how long it takes you to traverse it - but my minute and that of John Doe on that flight from Paris to Hong Kong is comparably different. We know this, it is a proven fact. So then I must ask, when time becomes spacial, will it still be relative? If it is, then we have a relative spacial environment where all instances occur at the same infinitely small instance. But common sense tells us that anything that is infinitely small is also infinitely large - that's the really cool thing about infinity. So (big leap here, bare with me), we have every possible instance happening instantly everywhere. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. A few questions to help digest this.

Does that mean death? Probably in a very large number of the infinite possibilities, but not all of them.

Am I aware of my consciousness at all the points of my life thusly (or the ones I've yet to be aware of)? No. Of course not.

So, I'll continue being aware of only my current self in the state that I am currently. So if all time is infinitely small... it's still infinitely large and I exist as I did before, aware of only myself in a time frame that's as infinite as it was before. That would imply that the universe would be of infinite mass and density -- but who's to say it isn't now... So that means even now, everything is one and I am one with everything.

oh, hell. I think I just defined Buddhism.

Story of my life; reinventing wheels one day at a time.

I don't think we'd even notice such a change... apparently not until we reached nirvana. #%$#%

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Originally posted by Tom Bedlam
or would you be stuck in your last moments?

Could this be what is described in the Bible as:

"Hell"?

Interesting......

Actually it could go either way. Time suspension could also be Heaven. It may also depend on where you are at the time that determines which one you will exist in. Frame of mind, consciousness or soul may be part of it as well.

Would you stop aging when time makes this metamorphosis? In heaven you don't age, get sick, etc... and in Hell you go thru a continuous loop of pain. Sounds like suspension of time to me.....

Originally posted by jbondo
Would you stop aging when time makes this metamorphosis? In heaven you don't age, get sick, etc... and in Hell you go thru a continuous loop of pain. Sounds like suspension of time to me.....

Time is movement. Without movement you cannot even think, so you would be unaware until time flipped back to time again, eh.

Anyway that's absurd, time is nothing more than movement, you can't stop movement in all the universe.

Human beings have become arrogant. We think we know it all. I think the truth is more like we dont know anything about the big picture.

To darkside below: Yes, I removed that comment since I realized I misunderstood you. Sorry.



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Originally posted by Copernicus
Except he was talking about the black hole in our galaxy, not the universe.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. We are 26 000 light years from the black hole in our galaxy, can't put it more clearly.

And as for believing the hopi legends, I actually do put more credit in those than modern science. If you look at the things they predicted, you might too.

What did hopi legends do for you? Because science done everything else, science isn't a bunch of ancient predictions.

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Wait... this will really get some people going...

26000 light years from the black hole of our galaxy...
26000 years in the Mayan time cycle...

Coincidence?

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Originally posted by DarkSide
you can't stop movement in all the universe.

How do you know that?

There are strange things going on in the universe all the time. I could never make such a statement of finality.

Originally posted by jbondo
How do you know that?

There are strange things going on in the universe all the time. I could never make such a statement of finality.

Nothing as strange as all movement stopping for eternity, it's not possible.

It's just logics, the universe isn't a dvd with a pause button..

There are billions and billions of galaxies, that contain billions and billions of stars, planets, moons, comets, asteroids, all these objects are in motion since billions of years and obey physical laws (gravity, inertia etc). How could they all stop?

Originally posted by DarkSide
It's just logics,

How could they all stop?

Logic....makes sense but then again is Murphy's Law logical?

I don't have any idea how it could all stop and the odds are with your "logic" but unbelievable things are possible and making statements of finality are really limiting ones self.

Of course I think world leaders being shape shifting reptiles is ridiculous. So, I do have limits as well.

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Well, now, wait a second, dude. Murphy's law? It's not really a law, you know. The strong force doesn't abide by the idea that anything that go wrong will go wrong... Murphy's Law is as much a law as all Irish people are drunks. Now, if you'll excuse me; it's 11am, I'm going to bar.

...been reading "2012 - the Return of Quetzalcoatl" by Daniel Pinchbeck, pg 86-87:

"The researcher who impressed me-- who inspired me to pursue the phenomenon in depth-- was Michael Glickman, an English architect and industrial designer..... calls the glyphs "a series of profound, diverse and complex communications of a substantial lightness and subtlety. They are using shape and geometry, number and form, to access fundamental parts of our being which have become culturally deactivated over centuries...." He believed the formations were linked to an accelerated transformation of human consciousness, pointing to our "dimensional shift" from the third to what he called the fifth dimension....

Glickman thought the patterns -- "clearly the results of a prodigious intelligence, will and intent" -- indicated that other forms or level of galactic intelligence were monitoring the evolution of consciousness on Earth. "We are being approached -- after a standoff of millennia. What is approaching us is a federation of nonterrestrial civilizations." (!) As signals, the patterns were coordinated with our on-going mind-shift, providing clues as well as lessons into the new "fifth dimensional" form of consciousness we were approaching."

Also, didn't Einstein predict 'pole shifts' to be true?

Originally posted by anhinga
Also, didn't Einstein predict 'pole shifts' to be true?

I doubt it. Einstein was a physicist not a geologist.

This is such a fascinating subject. The book 'Apocalypse 2012' delves into many theories and many ideas about what could happen. Someone asked what it would be like to have everything acting simultaneously and time no longer a linear concept. It would be near impossible to conceive what that would actually be like methinks but the movie 'Sunshine' did a pretty good job of what I thought it would be like anyways.

Im sorry if thisis off topic but i just thought, 2012 is the end because the mayans stopped there claender there, ever thought they thought they would make another one after then, why make a clender that far ahead, my phone goes about 40 years into the futre, doesnt mean that were going to die in about 40 years.

my 2 cent

ProTo

Maybe we all can feel time speeding up and leading to an end!!! As I get older it seems time goes by quicker. When I was little a week seemed like an eternity and now one goes by in a flash. I always thought it was some physiological part of getting older, or maybe time is really speeding up and its leading up to something? Could time always have been speeding up, leading to a climax; the end of time?

Sigh.

I can't believe how ignorant some of our user base is here.

Before you start believing in these archaic & completely uneducated piles of you know what, have you even read up on all of our dimensions? Human beings live in every single dimension. Yes, I know it's hard to grasp, but we're present in EVERY SINGLE ONE. The only thing is: We can't see past our 3rd dimension - but we can experience all the other ones.

For instance:

What if you could see the 4th dimension? What would I see? Simply, you'd look at a person and you could look in either direction and see their age progression. One leading back to their fetus state and the other leading to their death bed. This wouldn't only be true for humans, either. Anything you look at. ANYTHING. You'd be able to see where they began and how they end. Our evolution hasn't prepared us for such eye sight - there's absolutely no need for it. Our survival doesn't depend on it.

I'm sorry folks, but as long as I'm able to experience the dimensions above the third, I'll be okay. I don't need some super beer goggle vision.

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Nah, ask your mom, or your dad - or any old person you see on the street. They'll all tell you they felt the same way. It's relative to the mentality of a child vs. that of an adult. An adult has many more things going on occupying their consciousness and thereby creating an absence of said consciousness from the perception of time passing.

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That is what I have always thought. Many say the universe is expanding and it’s expanding fast and faster. So maybe time is slowing down? Isn’t it true the faster you go the slower time goes? So if the universe is expanding faster and faster will it go like that forever, is there a terminal velocity, a critical mass, a point where time cant slow down or the universe cant expand any faster? If this happens and we are still around what would it be like?