Our 3 dimensions will become 4 and time goes bye bye

Originally posted by memoir
Murphy's law? It's not really a law, you know.

Now, if you'll excuse me; it's 11am, I'm going to bar.

You beat me to the punchline! LOL!

There are times when a law is a law and those other times when it's not. What does that mean? Ask the drunken Irishmen next to you.

Your dry sense forces me to add you to my friend list.

4the Dimension info. for those wondering about it, good explinations...
"Imagine, for instance, that you're at the center of a hollow sphere. The distance between you and every point on the sphere's surface is equal. Now, try moving in a direction that allows you to move away from all points on the sphere's surface while maintaining that equidistance. You can't do it. There's nowhere to go—nowhere that we know anyway.

The square in Flatland would have the same trouble if he were in the middle of a circle. He can't be at the center of a circle and move in a direction that allows him to remain equidistant to every point of the circle's circumference—unless he moves into the third dimension. Alas, we don't have the four-dimensionsal equivalent of Abbott's three-dimensional sphere to show us the way to 4-D. "
fantastic article here: www.pbs.org...

I can't wait for, if any, new founded information...


[edit on 10-10-2007 by dreamingawake]

reply to post by memoir


Excellent post, thanks.

As for the OP, grasp infinite, then remember that the only constant is change. Energy is neither created or destroyed, but only changes form.

Now, take two aspirin and call me in the next millennium.

namaste

What a joke!

Anyone with half a brain knows that...
t = σak + λ2a2s a2 a2 − Nk a2 + λ2
where k = (0 ∩ ~L) ∪ (0 ∩ ~E)

and not...
t = σak + λ2a2s a2 a2 − Mk a2 + λ2

Ha, what fools.

Originally posted by mecheng
(0 ∩ ~L) ∪ (0 ∩ ~E)

(On ~P) (On ~V) (On ~C) (On ~C) (On ~D & B)

This is a question, and not a statement, please treat it as such.

Doesn't string theory imply that we already exist in a Euclidean universe?

Alright, maybe I can be of some service to this thread. Though I can't claim much actual intelligence I will be graduating from university this year with a degree in mathematics and more than a few astrophysics classes under my belt.

One thing I always hated in my relativity classes was the way in which we treated time dilation and spatial compression as actual attributes of our physical world. A much more reasonable conclusion would be that these are only phenomenon which we perceive when we talk about objects traveling at high speeds. Our perception relies entirely on light, which Einstein found to have a constant speed in all frames of reference, the result of which means that as an object travels close to the speed of light we (as perceivers) receive that light in a way that makes us think time has stretched out.

The truth, so far as I can tell, is that time doesn't exist in any dimensional sense. We define one year to be the "time" it takes for the earth to revolve around the sun. We divide that quantity by 12 to get months, then days, hours mins etc. So what if the earth stopped rotating around anything, just stopped, would time stop? Hell no. Time is infinite, always moving forward (this talk of existing in all times is ridiculous); time, as another poster mentioned, is simply our perception of our motion through space. It is not going to stop even if we do end up falling into that black hole you guys keep talking about.

Further, as a math guy I can impart some wisdom that was passed on to me by one of my professors last year. We can make mathematical systems that predict the way things are in the world, in fields like meteorology, and certain areas of physics, we have equations that work very well almost all the time. But that doesn't mean the world cares one inch about our equations and our math, it follows its own rules, which take into consideration far more variables than we could ever fathom. At its base, math is simply idealized equations which only work under idealized situations with idealized variables, and as far as it pertains to the real world.... well it just doesn't.

Sorry until you start seeing crazy # in the skies, sleep tight. Time will go on.

Originally posted by DraconianKing
Where is the proof? Such a big claim with no mathematical proof is nothing more than garbage.

All of our senses can be deceived, leaving us with nothing can ever be proven.

We don't remember or can prove where we came from, where we go when we sleep and what happens when we die.

Mathematical equations prove nothing as well, only that they will get a numerical answer.


[edit on 10-10-2007 by Realtruth]

Maybe the Mayans had it right. Maybe Dec.21/22 2012 IS the end of time. At least as we recognize it. I don't personally believe that the world is going to end, or stop turning, or be swallowed by some black hole at the center of the galaxy. Perhaps this just signifies a change in how we, as humans, perceive and measure the passage of time. If some cosmic event were to unfold that altered the amount of time it takes Earth to either orbit the sun, or for our beautiful world to turn on its axis, would this not render all of our timekeeping devices obsolete, including our incredibly well informed Mayan friend's calendar? I just want to show that the "end of time" does not necessarily mean death for us all. We as a people need to become more aware of how something so small as it taking an extra hour to spin on our axis, or a few extra days to orbit the Sun, could end the reign of the Mayan calendar.

Great thread. Really got me thinking about things. Thanks all.

My only comment is that we should not poo-poo any individual opinion since no one knows for certain what, if anything, is going to happen in the future.

Peace.

My thought is;


They state it is the End of "Time", shouldn't that mean that time simply will just seezes to exist?

They also so say in the End Time Coming, the World will stop turning for three whole days and nights. (I am however not Christian as some of you know)

Well in the Fourth Dimension, time simply doesn't exist. You can be in 2 places at the sime time and travel lightyears in seconds.

Well that sounds awfully familiar.....

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I have trouble taking any of this seriously because some of the excerpts use incorrect grammar. Now I'm no grammar nut, in fact I hate grammar, but its hard to take it seriously when I see "got" where "have" should be and "don't" where doesn't should be!

Sure time is an illusion, but I don't see human kind, or the Universe as a whole, suddenly slipping its bonds... maybe in the distant "future" we'll be able to move through "time", but I doubt the Universe, which has been governed by the same laws for billions of years is all of a sudden going to change...

As for 2012, its probably unrelated, probably has a lot more to do with a meteor, shift in the Earth's crust, change in the Earth's Axis, planet X, or something else, but certainly something perfectly natural...

Originally posted by ProTo Fire Fox
Im sorry if thisis off topic but i just thought, 2012 is the end because the mayans stopped there claender there, ever thought they thought they would make another one after then, why make a clender that far ahead, my phone goes about 40 years into the futre, doesnt mean that were going to die in about 40 years.

my 2 cent

ProTo

Well, it's probably just the mayan bug. You know, where everything breaks after 2012. We'll just get a load of teams running around patching reality, ensuring that quantum physics is y2012k compliant and no one should notice anything quirky happening.

I just hope that reality has an update available by then, or if it's anything like our old exchange server in 2000, suddenly it because the year 36000..

reply to post by badw0lf


Maybe this is the case.

You wouldn't know would you? No-one can tell you what will happen or has happend before. But if you can read BETWEEN the sentences you'd understand what'll happen.

I have my own thoughts on this as I spend lots of time thinking about this. Researching it and being overall amazed by it.

But I am not going to make some outrageous claims around here cause i've seen it happen

reply to post by Eddy_Jordan


Good response; fair enough. Yet everything you're conclusion completely undermines itself.

"The universe cares not of our equations; therefore it will continue to exist as it currently does." ...paraphrase, of course. What if one of those laws that we cannot fathom states when the calendar of a culture existing on the fourth planet from a star that's 26,000 light years from the center of it's galaxy ends; time stops.

Of course it's absurd, but the point is - just as you stated - we don't know. Of course existing in all times at the same time is absurd based on our current understanding - but look it up. Even string theory postulates that all things are happening at all times in parallel universes.

There are two types of subscriptions to Time (4th D, not the magazine). It seems you were taught the Newtonian subscription and instead subscribe to the Kant model that states the time is merely our perception of a objects motion. Since this is, essentially, a layman's discussion of physics - I suggest we stick to the Newtonian model - the one in which Einstein's theory exists, the one in which spacetime works, the one in which time dilation exists.

Your professors 'wisdom' reminds me of a fishing trip with my father.

I was reeling in what I can only imagine was the largest fish ever. The sun was beating down on my back and the rum from the previous night was escaping through any pore it could find. My pole was bent nearly straight down and I could see the fish some depth below the surface of the water struggling furiously against it's invisible captor. A moment later, my rod snapped back to attention and I was left with nothing but a stupid look on my face. The fish was gone. I stated almost as an excuse, "Well, I probably would only have had to let it go anyways." My father turned to me and said "Well then why the hell did you cast the lure in the first place?"

We never know, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't ask. So hop on board, Atticus Finch.

I guess I'm king of the lengthy responses today. My apologies.

Fourth planet? Mars?

Any dad who would say that to his kid is kind of a wiener.

[edit on 10/10/2007 by Landis]

Well, this thread is one of the more interesting ones Ive read here. Its much like sitting around with a couple of people, having beer and discussing what is at the end of time. I get a nice feeling reading it, so... carry on. And get a beer.



[edit on 10-10-2007 by Copernicus]

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Da$%it. Third! I meant third!

You'd have to meet my father, and he was absolutely right. The point of the story is, just as in 'to kill a mockingbird' - Just because you may already be beaten, doesn't mean you shouldn't still try.

Okay, okay. Seemed kind of nasty to me.

I knew which planet you meant. LOL'd your response on that. Thanks for the giggle.

L.

reply to post by memoir


cheers friend, I certainly agree that it is a worthwhile cause to do our best to examine the laws of the universe, maybe one day we'll get something right. Until then, it's best to leave the conclusions out of the equations. When you take one unproven theory and base another theory on top of it you are building on a shaky foundation, by the time we get to the point of talking about time as a 4th dimension turning spacial it is clear that the errors in our definitions have propagated to absurdity.