The Chinese are preparing for a War

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
Thats an interesting thing to say, seems to promote your bias towards China.

Do you prefer the bloodsoaked hands of Britian? Or the US? Or most of Europe?

I thought this thread was about China? Do I need to justify to you why I have the opinion I do?

The atrocities that the Chinese Communists have perpetrated are well-documented.

Despite the fact that these actions are antithetical to the principles on which the United States is founded, the policy of American government and business in recent years has been one of "constructive engagement." here

Censored Google Searches: Chinese Atrocities
A search for chinese atrocities is censored by Google.cn, in compliance with a request by the Chinese government. here

Corporate America's Role in China's Building of an "E-Police" State

Organs from Falun Gong prisoners are literally being marketed, with the waiting time for a transplant often now being a matter of days.source

China & North Korea

China has supported North Korea since Chinese fighters flooded onto the Korean peninsula to fight for the Communist Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) in 1950. Since the Korean War divided the peninsula between the North and South, China has given both political and economic backing to North Korea's leaders: Kim Il Sung, and his son and successor, Kim Jung-Il. In recent years, China has been seen as one of the authoritarian regime's few allies.

Regarding the NK Missile Testing:

At the same time, China has too much invested in North Korea to halt or withdraw its support entirely. "The idea that the Chinese would turn their backs on the North Koreans is clearly wrong," source

China NK & Iran

Chinas Proliferation To North Korea and Iran, and its role in addressing the Nuclear and Missile Situations in Both Nations
Start at page 40

As China upgrades its military and gains political influence, it too is emerging as a threat to U.S. national security - Oct 9 2007 source

[edit on 8-10-2007 by Thurisaz]

Greetings....
i decided to run a computer simulation and invade Iraq...while I was playing China....in "Superpower 2" , ageopolitical simulator...the chinese
invaded Iraq...and to my surprise....i thought china would take the border they share with Afghanistan...but they did not use that road...they went by boat, and went right to the Euphrates River....and go figure...there will be
1/3 of the population of the earth destroyed...hmmm...today that would perhaps be somewhere near 2 billion people killed.

If you read the book of Revelation...there will be a 200 million man army invading the middle east...and go figure...when Revelation was written...
there was not even close to 200 million on earth at the time...
it is quite interesting that the chinese operate both sides of the panama canal...they control the gates, as well as allow or deny passage to us warships....There is another bible passage that suggests the river will dry up...and then they will invade...(there is a dam on the euphrates river that you can just stop the river with.)
all is set to go... According to the CIA...china can foot an army of 210 million men...(looks like the CIA's estimate is 10 million too high)

here is the passage.
Rev 9:13 And at the sounding of the sixth angel a voice came to my ears from the horns of the gold altar which is before God,
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel who had the horn, Make free the four angels who are chained at the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were made free, who were ready for the hour and day and month and year, that they might put to death a third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the armies of the horsemen was twice ten thousand times ten thousand: the number of them came to my ears.
Rev 9:17 And so I saw the horses in the vision, and those who were seated on them, having breastplates of fire and glass and of burning stone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire and smoke and a smell of burning.
Rev 9:18 By these evils a third part of men was put to death, by the fire, and the smoke, and the burning smell which came out of their mouths.
Rev 9:19 For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails: because their tails are like snakes, and have heads, and with them they give wounds.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the people, who were not put to death by these evils, were not turned from the works of their hands, but went on giving worship to evil spirits, and images of gold and silver and brass and stone and wood which have no power of seeing or hearing or walking:
Rev 9:21 And they had no regret for putting men to death, or for their use of secret arts, or for the evil desires of the flesh, or for taking the property of others.

I think its safe to assume that nearly all countries in the world are drawing up plans to fight the USA. Its pretty well obvious that the Neo-Cons have control and are on an agressive war footing with all and sundry to acquire resources illegally.

Wake up America your country has been hijacked by a pack of Fascist Wolves destined to bring your country back to its pre-WW2 status.

Rev 9:13 And at the sounding of the sixth angel a voice came to my ears from the horns of the gold altar which is before God,

Thats kind of where you would expect the god altar to be...isnt it?

Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel who had the horn, Make free the four angels who are chained at the great river Euphrates.

That'd be a hell of a tourist trap "Come see the chained angels!"

Rev 9:15 And the four angels were made free, who were ready for the hour and day and month and year, that they might put to death a third part of men.

No mention of what day month and year this is.

Rev 9:16 And the number of the armies of the horsemen was twice ten thousand times ten thousand: the number of them came to my ears.

Horsemen? Since when did we use cavalry?

Rev 9:17 And so I saw the horses in the vision, and those who were seated on them, having breastplates of fire and glass and of burning stone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths came fire and smoke and a smell of burning.

so as soon as some geneticist creates a Fire breathing horse Lion we are all screwed?

Rev 9:18 By these evils a third part of men was put to death, by the fire, and the smoke, and the burning smell which came out of their mouths

They also smell funny.

Rev 9:19 For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails: because their tails are like snakes, and have heads, and with them they give wounds.

Oh Fire breathing horse lion snakes, it all makes sense now.

Rev 9:20 And the rest of the people, who were not put to death by these evils, were not turned from the works of their hands, but went on giving worship to evil spirits, and images of gold and silver and brass and stone and wood which have no power of seeing or hearing or walking

Ah yes, those 'evil spirits'

Evil is a matter of Perspective. So far my list of true evils in the world:
1. Christianity as a church instead of a cult
2. Vanilla coke hardly being sold anywhere

If god decides to finally bring his lazy arse down here, im going to want to have a talk with him.

Rev 9:21 And they had no regret for putting men to death, or for their use of secret arts, or for the evil desires of the flesh, or for taking the property of others.

Now, strangely enough, this sounds like America.

I think its safe to assume that nearly all countries in the world are drawing up plans to fight the USA.

I know i have, and its working and coming to fruition.

The Aussie dollar is getting better and better against the US.

Originally posted by EJHoover


At least that is a motive, why would they want the States? land? people? 72" TVs? Super extra size value meals at McDonalds? Trust me, the people controlling China have access to everything that they could want from the US without actually wasting their time and money attacking it. The US, as is the rest of the world, is desparate for China's business.

Exactly, they'll come down through Asia like the Japs did in 41/42 and hit us here in Aussie like a ton of bricks.

Hehe, but we'll make a mess of them, don't you worry.

Having served in the U.S. Marines (infantry) I know first hand that we do not lose fights aginst anybody!!! Look at the history of the Corps, I dont have the time or space here to go into detail, but let me tell ya the Marines are ready! Look up famous marine quotes on google and you cant help but be motivated. Marines have the pride and morale that give us strength that cant be matched by any nation! Bring it on China!!!

If you read the book of Revelation...there will be a 200 million man army invading the middle east...and go figure...when Revelation was written...

When the book of revelation was written, they didnt know that the world was round, and they surely didnt know how many people there was on this earth at that time. In other words, that number is just made up.


reply to post by boaznj1965

Threads like this always make me chuckle.

Hello - OP? Sources please? Back it up or lose it.

But just so you know - Russia isn't building carriers for anyone at the moment. They want a couple for themselves.

As for the idea of China invading the US, well.....thats just nuts. Just how are they going to do this? Its just that theres this bloody great big ocean called the Pacific in the way, and any large force trying to cross it is going to be picked off in one way or another and have no supply lines open to it.

I realise that certain video games may make out that taking over a country is easy. Its not.

I suggest you go back to playing the game.

Exactly, they'll come down through Asia like the Japs did in 41/42 and hit us here in Aussie like a ton of bricks.

Hehe, but we'll make a mess of them, don't you worry.

Really?

I dont see any reason for the Chinese to attack Australia. Its not like we have a huge surplus of resources (besides maybe Sun and skin cancer)

If they did attack, im not sure what we could do, we have a small army, but it is well trained and very effective.

Having served in the U.S. Marines (infantry) I know first hand that we do not lose fights aginst anybody!!! Look at the history of the Corps, I dont have the time or space here to go into detail, but let me tell ya the Marines are ready! Look up famous marine quotes on google and you cant help but be motivated. Marines have the pride and morale that give us strength that cant be matched by any nation! Bring it on China!!!

Ok good. Ill tell you alittle history lesson.

In WW1, the French were creating plans of offensive action against German forces. These plans were almost always very stupid simply because they relied on what the French called "Elan" which means, very basically, French fighting Spirit.

You may have all the spirit in the world, an artillery strike will kill you just the same.

You need to think with more than your pride. Otherwise you will end up like the French in WW1. Outmanouvred, Outclasses and Outnumbered.

As for the idea of China invading the US, well.....thats just nuts. Just how are they going to do this? Its just that theres this bloody great big ocean called the Pacific in the way, and any large force trying to cross it is going to be picked off in one way or another and have no supply lines open to it.

Well that is a piece of contention.

In any war against the US, The Chinese NEED to control the Pacific. They can:

1. Get a bigger navy than you
2. Create a coordinated strike knocking back US Naval power (Pearl harbour like)
3. Control the skies.

None of these are unfeasible and the i think the second option would be the best for them, considering the Morale damage of such an attack.

I realise that certain video games may make out that taking over a country is easy. Its not.

I suggest you go back to playing the game.

i suggest you consider all avenues before committing to a certain belief.

Originally posted by Octavius Maximus
Well that is a piece of contention.
In any war against the US, The Chinese NEED to control the Pacific. They can:
1. Get a bigger navy than you
2. Create a coordinated strike knocking back US Naval power (Pearl harbour like)
3. Control the skies.
None of these are unfeasible and the i think the second option would be the best for them, considering the Morale damage of such an attack.

Hi. I'm guessing you missed the location part under my avatar that says "Yorkshire, England"

Tell me how you transport a standing army of 1 million men, plus supplies and logistics, across 6,000 miles of ocean in these modern days of spy satellites, sosus sensors and high altitude reconaissance planes. Then tell me how you resupply a fighting force of that size with enough ammunition, food and resources to invade a country with a population of 260+million people that knows you are coming.

Please think before you try and be clever.

Originally posted by tac109
Having served in the U.S. Marines (infantry) I know first hand that we do not lose fights aginst anybody!!! Look at the history of the Corps, I dont have the time or space here to go into detail, but let me tell ya the Marines are ready! Look up famous marine quotes on google and you cant help but be motivated. Marines have the pride and morale that give us strength that cant be matched by any nation! Bring it on China!!!

*cough*

Corregidor, Wake Island, Vietnam...

Would you like me to go on or will we just feed the pixies whilst we are here in fantasy land...

Hi. I'm guessing you missed the location part under my avatar that says "Yorkshire, England"

Yes, but also i dont particularily care where a person comes from.

Tell me how you transport a standing army of 1 million men, plus supplies and logistics, across 6,000 miles of ocean in these modern days of spy satellites, sosus sensors and high altitude reconaissance planes. Then tell me how you resupply a fighting force of that size with enough ammunition, food and resources to invade a country with a population of 260+million people that knows you are coming.

You are basing your idea on the fact that an army needs to reach US soil undetected.

Firstly, you dont just throw all of your men in one block at the enemy, that is asking to be outflanked and destroyed.

Sensors and Satellites? Well the entire army isnt going to merrily sail across the ocean is it? Dropping strategic troops in locations for capture and THEN moving the army in pieces to make sure that the entire US army never faces the Entire Chinese army, such engagements are too risky.

Multiple small detachments of forces attacking seperate targets is needed, break the back of the US threat.

Consider, Chinese forces drop in on Canada and attack the power stations there. Almost the entire North of the US gets power from there.

Consider, Chinese forces attacking and destroying Naval stations giving them control of the sea (as any existing US forces will run out of fuel/ammunition at some point)

Try to consider that a war isnt 1 army vs the other.

An attacking army has many advantages, especially if it wants to break the body of its opposition.

The US is a big place, it would be easy for a well trained army to hide in places and prepare for strikes.

The Japanese army reached so far in WW2 because its army learned to live off the lands. Its not that hard to do so in certain places.

Please think before you try and be clever.

i would ask you do the same.

Originally posted by neformore
Threads like this always make me chuckle.

Hello - OP? Sources please? Back it up or lose it.

But just so you know - Russia isn't building carriers for anyone at the moment. They want a couple for themselves.

As for the idea of China invading the US, well.....thats just nuts. Just how are they going to do this? Its just that theres this bloody great big ocean called the Pacific in the way, and any large force trying to cross it is going to be picked off in one way or another and have no supply lines open to it.

I realise that certain video games may make out that taking over a country is easy. Its not.

I suggest you go back to playing the game.

Exactly what i was about to say, havent seen any sources yet?
About Russia, as far as i know they only have one carrier:The Admiral Kuznetsov, a pretty nice looking one, just modified but it doesnt even has catapults..The Gorshkov is sold to India and all the remaining Kiev and Moskva class carriers are disposed of..The Russians always wanted a lot of submarines, a carrier was a symbol of the arrogant capitalist west..So anyway how is China going to buy 6 carriers from Russia?, really like to know..
China might build an amphibious fleet to invade Taiwan, but that doesnt going to happen in the next years[not untill after the olympics] and yes the US may be vulnerable if they get into total war with Iran/Syria..
Still though i doubt it if any soldier wants to occupy or invade a country with millions of trigger happy yanks with their assault rifles laying next to their bibble in/on the pedestal cupboard..

Originally posted by Octavius Maximus

Consider, Chinese forces drop in on Canada and attack the power stations there. Almost the entire North of the US gets power from there.

Where from? Explain to me how China is going to get enough troops in one place to destroy multiple parts of the North American infrastructure before they are hunted down and the threat removed by the standing forces on the continental US, all of which who have ready access to reinforcements and supplies.

Consider, Chinese forces attacking and destroying Naval stations giving them control of the sea (as any existing US forces will run out of fuel/ammunition at some point)

With what? China has no blue water Navy. And as for ammunition and fuel I suppose China has unlimited ammunition supplies??

Look. Do yourself a favour. Stop spouting imaginary scenarios and start reading up on military strategies. You'll find that wars are won by supply chains. Extend the supply chain too far and it gets cut off. A 4000+ mile supply chain into blatantly hostile territory fighting an army with home advantage is plain stupid.

And thats even without getting into the notion of nuclear weapons.

The notion that China can invade, or would want to invade the continental US is ludicrous.

Originally posted by JimmyBlonde

*cough*

Corregidor, Wake Island, Vietnam...

Would you like me to go on or will we just feed the pixies whilst we are here in fantasy land...

Were there any marines in the Bataan Death March?

Where from? Explain to me how China is going to get enough troops in one place to destroy multiple parts of the North American infrastructure before they are hunted down and the threat removed by the standing forces on the continental US, all of which who have ready access to reinforcements and supplies.

No you know how easy it is to attack like this?

One day take 5 fire crackers, run down a street and throw them at 5 cars.

Its elementary, ive never done it myself but i see hooligans get away with it all the time.

Imagine now, if you replaced the firecracker with a bigger explosive

And the car with a power plant.

You dont need to demolish the place, just damage enough so power doesnt reach from A to B. perhaps even attacking the conduits would be easier?

The French in WW2 managed to do alot of Damage by blowing up rails. one stick of Dynamite can easily destroy an entire trains worth of supplies without ever getting the instigator caught.

With what? China has no blue water Navy. And as for ammunition and fuel I suppose China has unlimited ammunition supplies??

hehehe, you are again thinking in too linear fashion. A knife in the dark is greater than a 1000 swords at dawn.

Look. Do yourself a favour. Stop spouting imaginary scenarios and start reading up on military strategies. You'll find that wars are won by supply chains. Extend the supply chain too far and it gets cut off. A 4000+ mile supply chain into blatantly hostile territory fighting an army with home advantage is plain stupid.

It would be if you sent your entire army there at once.

Thats why that is exactly what they wouldnt do. correct?

You dont need a sledgehammer to do what a scapel can do better.

You are caught in the Napolean style of warfare where everyone stood in lines and shot each other.

if you want to win against a greater foe, you need to fight smart.

The best part is that if China tells the world that the insurgents it sends are not part of the Chinese military but are Chinese terrorist organisations, then the US cannot attack China without being deplored by the world for its heavy handed actions.

Also, you have troops in Iraq, do you not? Thats a long supply chain. Using your logic your army should have died a long time ago.

And thats even without getting into the notion of nuclear weapons.

here is a scenario i have always considered. Ive even mentioned it in this thread. If an invading force captured a US nuclear missile silo. What would you do?

The notion that China can invade, or would want to invade the continental US is ludicrous.

And because of that kind of thinking, you have already lost.

Were there any marines in the Bataan Death March?

Very probably.

EDIT

At dawn, 9 April 1942, and against the orders of Generals Douglas McArthur and Jonathan Wainwright, Major General Edward P. King, Jr., commanding Luzon Force, Bataan, Philippine Islands, surrendered more than 75,000 (66,000 Filipinos, 1,000 Chinese Filipinos, and 11,796 Americans)

en.wikipedia.org...



[edit on 9-10-2007 by Octavius Maximus]

Originally posted by Octavius Maximus
The best part is that if China tells the world that the insurgents it sends are not part of the Chinese military but are Chinese terrorist organisations, then the US cannot attack China without being deplored by the world for its heavy handed actions.

OK. Well you lost the plot there. You aren't thinking sensibly and really, its time for this conversation to come to a close.

Also, you have troops in Iraq, do you not? Thats a long supply chain. Using your logic your army should have died a long time ago.

I think you'll find that there are a few easier staging points, allied countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to amass and move from and much more adequate supply lines than would be available to the Chinese in an attack on the North American Continent.

Just to chime in here on the whole "sources" of the OPs claims, I dont think we will ever see such sources. In fact, i dont think the OP has been to this thread since it was started.

Anything I've posted about China invading the US has been speculative.

OK. Well you lost the plot there. You aren't thinking sensibly and really, its time for this conversation to come to a close.

Ah, so you have no answer for what i say, so you dismiss it?

Good job *thumbs up*

I think you'll find that there are a few easier staging points, allied countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to amass and move from and much more adequate supply lines than would be available to the Chinese in an attack on the North American Continent.

The Isle of Midway lies in a direct line between The US continent and China. IF China wanted to make a massive attack (which it wont) then control of this island would be vital.

(its not much of an island, more a strip of sand, but you dont need much)

Originally posted by johnlear



Were there any marines in the Bataan Death March?

Who knows? The Japanese are a bit vague about the details no doubt.