New Holocaust facts - Interesting reading for everyone, Mk2

Originally posted by PONCE
As far as I am concern the Jews don't wan't the truth to come out and that's why they fight everyone who want's to talk about it, including some moderators at this site that keeps on deliting some postings.

And the same could be said about Neo-Nazi, right wing, or fascist groups of holocaust deniers. Ridicule the supportive arguments as Zionist propaganda, claim only your evidence is accurate. Sound familiar? When personal politics mix with historical research, the outcome is largely infavor of the person doing the research.

Getting back to the original post, the basis of this thread is an image of a document purportedly "Newly Released" from the International Red Cross Arolsen West Germany.

OFFICIAL RECORDS FROM INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS PROVE "HOLOCAUST" WAS A FRAUD! RECENTLY RELEASED RECORDS, SEALED FOR YEARS, SHOW "CONCENTRATION CAMP" DEATH TOTALS OF ONLY 271,301.

Hal Turner

Well, as it turns out, there is an International Red Cross at Arolsen Germany, and it does have custody of 50 million documents with the names and information on some 17.5 million people.

But here's the rub...

The records have not been released yet.

It is true that earlier this year a proposal to release the records and make them publicly available was discussed, but the proposal hasn't been ratified yet.

15 May 2007
Representatives of the five States that have not yet ratified – Belgium, France, Greece, Italy and Luxembourg – said at this week's meeting that the process should be completed this autumn.

So the records have not been released yet, and won't be until this fall at the earliest.

It then follows that the "document " cannot be from newly released sealed records, since they have not released them yet.

That FACT invalidates the first, and most important paragraph of the article, the one that tries to give provenance to the "document".

It also follows that because the first paragraph, and the "document" are based on falsehoods, there is no point in reading the article further, since what follows can only be more of the same.

Neither is there any point in continuing the facade of debating an issue who's main premise is so clearly based on a lie... starting with the very first sentence.




[edit on 6/6/07 by makeitso]

To keep it simple.......

"WHEN THE TRUTH COMES INTO THE LIGHT, THE LIES WILL HIDE IN THE DARK"...... Ponce


And that's why the Jews don't want a worldwide meeting in order to clear the air about the "six millions" once and for all.

Originally posted by Crakeur

no horns either

Man what a ripoff. Don't even get horns that retract like Uncle Martan's antenna.

The unfortunate truth is that prejudice will always be with humanity. When the Japaneese were still a closed society they took it out on the families that decended from the garbagemen of their ancestors.

Good news is the numbers dwendle and social norms change as to what is acceptable behavior. I think that is partly what Reagan was getting at in his "Alien Invaiders" speech. That the world's differences would be set aside to deal with the common foe and that the hope would be that we would abandon the old hates when the danger had passed. Specifically he refered to US/USSR relations but I think he would have seen the extension to a global idea of humanity towards one another.

Originally posted by PONCE
"WHEN THE TRUTH COMES INTO THE LIGHT, THE LIES WILL HIDE IN THE DARK"...... Ponce

Yes. Yes, it will ... yet the lies will continue to creep forth from whatever rock and or subterranean crevace they can find root in.

Deny the I ... it's your most vehement enemy.


 

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[edit on 6-6-2007 by 12m8keall2c]

Dark Crystalline, you - and Hal Turner- have overlooked one major point.

The Red Cross letter only lists thirteen camps. The Nazis had a total of around fifty extermination and forced labour camps. So the list is approximately 39 camps worth of deaths short of showing the full total.

If 13 camps can create a total of 271,301 deaths, how many more do you think the 39 extra camps will add?

The vast majority of those 39 extra camps were forced labour camps. But don't try and spin the issue by writing them out of the picture. Forced labour camps were commonly death camps, the only difference being that the inmates were worked to death, rather than being shunted into a gas chamber upon arrival.

Originally posted by PONCE
"WHEN THE TRUTH COMES INTO THE LIGHT, THE LIES WILL HIDE IN THE DARK"...... Ponce

John 3:21 as interpreted by Ponce. give credit where it is due.

Originally posted by Ahabstar
Man what a ripoff. Don't even get horns that retract like Uncle Martan's antenna.

when I was in college I met a cute girl from a small town in Indiana. We hung out a bit and she invited me to a party she was going to over the weekend. I declined as I was heading home for the jewish holidays. Anyway, later on, we're making out and she's feeling my scalp up and I ask what she's doing and I swear on my life, she said "where are the horns? I heard jews had horns."

I dated her for quite a while. she was, like ponce and DC, misinformed. fortunately, she wasn't filled with the hate they are brimming with.

I miss my little midwestern babe.

This is in response to what all the buzz is about. President Bushs'new and greatest idea 'amnesty',Mr. Bush has been wrong on almost everything since his re-election, on this issue.For one he has forgotten all of us who are legal citzens.What the majority wants is deportation for any one who is here "Illegally".I have always thought that those in power should at the very least stand for what is legal,not for those who are here "Illegally".Now on to his plan. First-the Z-visa is wrong because it allows "Illegal immigrants"to say that they are legal now.What about those who have went though the legal process.Do they get a Z-visa too? Let's just let them be citizens too no matter if they're terrorists or not? Second,If the person in question is applying for a job, should at the very least be required by law to prove that they are here legally, so the employer won't have to worry about being arrested and or fined for hiring them.The employer should have the right to call I.N.S.If they find out that they are here "Illegally".That my fellow countrymen is only fair.All of us know that the simplest answer is to put them on the school buses while the children are out for school.That way their children can start the new year back where they need to be,in their home country ,not in some far away country like America.But of course that's too simple for those who are in power to understand.That way we can bring our troops home and put them on our borders.My plan is simple yet very effective.It would stop our president from having to side with those here "Illegally".Then he could be seen as our president rather than their's.Remember the key word in all of this is "Illegal" Stand with the majority on this one Mr.president and you can't go wrong.Just a hint not the "Illegal minority".This has been your friend and supporter General "T".Remember The Alamo!!

Originally posted by GeneralT.
This is in response to what all the buzz is about. President Bushs'new and greatest idea 'amnesty'...Stand with the majority on this one Mr.president and you can't go wrong.Just a hint not the "Illegal minority".This has been your friend and supporter General "T".Remember The Alamo!!

Dude, wrong thread. THis thread is about the holocaust and if it actually happened or not. As for your post, i have one thing to say.

Humans are not illegal as governments claim.

Originally posted by Crakeur
and I ask what she's doing and I swear on my life, she said "where are the horns? I heard jews had horns."

This is the funniest thing ive read in this thread!

[edit on 6-6-2007 by InSpiteOf]

Dark Crystaline, here is a challenge for you. I wan't you to interview a person with Jewish heritage from every country in the world. When you are done compare the responses to your questions. You will see that people of Jewish heritage, like regular human beings have had different experiences and therefore have different attitudes to different things. The only thing tying these people together is a religion. One of the biggest problems we have in the world today is that some people will paint an entire race or group of people with the same brush. Every human being is an individual. They make choices and form opinions just the same way you do. If you thought like this it would be harder to hate a whole race....

im really only posting this to try and bring some common sense to the people who try to deny the holocaust even though i know it wont do any good.

but can they answer me this? is ever single concentration camp survivor lying? because i havent heard a single 1 of them say that they didnt see people dying all over the place.

You say that I am "misinformed?"......up till 1998 to me everything that I heard about the Jews was the truth......but then, in 1998 I started to surf the WWW and I learned that everything that I knew about the REAL Jews was still the truth.....but.

You then had the Zionist who were hiding bihind the Semite Jews in order to call everyone who disagreed with them a ANTI SEMITE.

To say that I am "misinformed" is to say that the WWW is wrong, I don't think so...... what I read and studied in the WWW in regards to the Zionists you cannot find in any US news in the form of books, magazines, movies and so on.......and we all know why.

You always see movies about the gansters from Italy, Mexico, USA, Russia, Japan and so on but NEVER about the gansters Jews from the state of Israel and the USA.

As many as 97% of those 676,000 killed by Herr Hitler as bein "Jews" were in reality Khazard-Zionists and trouble makers.

In 1923 they gave Herr Hitler 5 millions dollars to help him with his new party and then in March 23 of the same year declared an economical war on Germany.......can't have it both way.

And of course I won't even go into the 567 Palestinians villages destroyed by the Zionists in 1848 alone ......Oi Vey.

oh please, so much hate. They are just human beings just like us all. What is all this about, I can't even believe this. I have to leave now. Enough is enough

10,000 points to makeitso for his in depth research into this issue.

That is what ATS is all about.

The best way to combat fraud is with truth. To base your entire argument on some idiot's article which gets its info from a document that hasn't been released? Ignorance.

Deny Ignorance is the motto, I'd say through his research, makeitso just kicked the crap out of Ignorance. Well done.

inspiteof, my mother in law has a horn story as well. she was in spain with her husband and they met this really nice couple and they spent a couple of days seeing the city and at some point it came out that my mother in law and her husband were jewish and the spanish couple were stunned. they sat there, staring at them and finally, the wife said "but, where are your horns?"

it's frightening that people are taught this. more frightening that people believe it, which leads me to.......

Originally posted by PONCE
I started to surf the WWW and I learned that everything that I knew about the REAL Jews was still the truth.....but......
To say that I am "misinformed" is to say that the WWW is wrong, I don't think so...... what I read and studied in the WWW in regards to the Zionists you cannot find in any US news in the form of books, magazines, movies and so on.......and we all know why.

because everything on the internet is real. I understand that.

for example, prior to 9/11 the us gov't was going to absolve everyone of their debt. (NESARA). Back in the 60's (or was it the 40's or 50's?) the us gov't held an exchange program with aliens from the planet serpo. John titor travelled back in time to get a lame p.o.s. computer to bring back to the future. Nostradamus predicted 9/11, this really huge dog

I'll stop there.

I'll also end with this
if everything on the internet is true, then the holocause did and did not happen. hitler is alive. hitler is dead. Bert killed John Lennon, lizard people from outer space were behind 9/11. etc.

it can't all be true. personally, I'd take the mountains of evidence over a few sites that refer to people as the jew silverstein or the jew crakeur.

but hey, what do I know? I'm an evil joo from hymie town.

KRAKEUR??????? could you please quote me John 3:21 ? I am not into religion and don't even own a Bible........but I am glad that good old John and I think alike.......thanks.

If a final nail in the coffin is needed, I will add one. In the link by makeitso, if you read carefully, the nation of Israel is agreeing to the release of these documents. Now logically, if there was a chance of a snowball in Amazonia that these papers would 'prove' a 'Zionist' conspiracy, would they be going along with the release?

So much ignorance, so little time.

NGC? 12% of documment does not 100% makes.....I wonder why.

If you read 100% please post link for I would like to read it....thanks.

OK Ponce, I'll use smaller words and shorter phrases. 12% or !00% You nor the OP has read any of it, because it hasn't been released yet, so it doesn't matter, as this thread is therefore based on a lie.

And the part about Israel signing off on releasing ALL the documentation, means that they feel there is nothing in there that will prove that there was not a holocaust. Or do you think the member states haven't bothered to review this material?

Dah.

I expected more from ATS'ers then this. Granted, I haven't been on the forum very long, and haven't gotten to know many of you, I'll say this. Every time a post comes up talking about a conspiracy theory, it is usually welcomed.

Now every time I hear a person who's anti-Israel or doesn't believe in the Holocaust, and wants to discuss it, he's usually shot down right away and called an anti-semite or worse. (Again, granted I haven't read all the posts on the subject.)

But instead of bashing the OP, why not welcome room to discuss? If the Holocaust did happen, this would be a great way to give solid facts. And if the OP believes it to be false, he should have the opportunity to do so without having people giving him such an uber hard time.

Now see, if there indeed is truly a Holocaust conspiracy, it won't ever be known because of these types of responses. Those who wish to do any real investigations on the subject are labeled as cold hearted racists.

We may not all agree with it, and that's OK. No one is asking you to. The OP is just stating his beliefs and what he believes to be of significance. I'm happy he took the time to create this thread. And I'm happy that people started the 911 links, UFO links and all the other threads out there. Because if it wasn't for them, we'd be sitting in the dark.

Peace out,
FK