New Holocaust facts - Interesting reading for everyone, Mk2

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
Sorry. I mistaken. That article, what I mentioned was presented in 1919 in the New York Hebrew. Here is the scan of the original edition. It's the WW1 "Holocaust" Edition.



So, please tell me, how is it possible to release this sort of article BEFORE WW2 and BEFORE the Holocaust.

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Ummm, the article doesnt say 6 millions Jews were killed during, before, or after WW1. It says, and I quote:

six million men and women are dying from the lack of the necessities of life: eight hundred-thousand children cry for bread.

Nowhere does it say 6 million were slaughtered (in any capacity.) This article is simply highlighting the plight of jews in a post-war era.

So, you were saying?

I'm saying that 6 million is appearing again and again, over and over. It's appearing right after WW1 and it's appearing right after WW2. Coincidence? Highly doubt it. These sort of coincidences are not existing. Or maybe you have some sort of destiny, which is leading you here always and always, to the eternity. Hmmmm... whatever you says, it's strange.

It's also mentioning: In this threatened Holocaust of Human life... so, it's a Holocaust for the article writer.

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Dark Crystalline, A friend of mine is a Jewish teacher and he believes in Angels. They are talked about through the entire book of the law and prophets (our "old testament"). I'm curious where did you hear that the Jewish faith banned Angels? Maybe I should do a Google because I'm definitely missing something here.

HooHaa. A Hungarian Rabbi told me this. I also read this on his website (I asked him about this after it.). I directly asked him, because my religion is connecting to them. And I didn't understand if you're really the Chosen Ones, why did you banished them? The ones, whose are representing good, peace and harmony. And the Rabbi told me, that the Jews have no Angels. Believe me. I'm also surprised. Jews had Angels, but they banished them from their religion a long time ago, because the Jews are quite superior, then Angels and there is no one between them and God. That's why Angels gone.

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I would think that most nations have a "past" that is not pleasant. All nations murder their own from time to time. That does not make it right, just a fact of life. Here in America there was an effort to wipe out the Natives, and a policy of Manifest Destiny adhered to by the government.

IMO, it is not about the numbers, but the intent. It was Hitler's stayed wish to wipe out the Jews, and he tried. Afterwards, it was in the best interest of the winners of WWII to inflate any numbers that they could. If it was two million or six, it was still a nasty business. What does it prove to say that the numbers are wrong?

Does it do any good to say that the reported number of Viet Cong killed was often so high that you had to be crazy to even think there could be that many combatants in the area? These are some of the tactics of war. And all sides fudge numbers.

And don't give me that old song and dance about how ONLY A HALF A MILLION Jews killed made it all OK. The fact is that Hitler was a homicidal maniac that led a group of moral degenerates in a bid for world conquest, and part of his plan was the death of as many 'unwanted' people as he could. The little bastard failed, and trying to clean up his memory is worthless. Your quest is an exercise in ignorance.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Grover
I may be wrong, but I think you may be referring to a film made by Sidney Bernstein of the Allied Psychological War Unit. He was British though and went on to work for the BBC. There are some US films too but the details you describe are certainly in Bernstein's film. It is one of the most horrifying things I ever watched.
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It sounds about right but i could have sworn that the one I was thinking about was done by a big name Hollywood director working with the U.S. military... doesn't really matter who made it though. i saw it about 3 years ago on PBS and it was deeply disturbing.

AND, lest we forget the Jews were only one of the groups targeted by the Nazi's... there were Gypsies and gays, and the physically and mentally handicapped. And then there were labor organizers, socialists, communists and so on.... all told counting the Jews, 4 to 5 million were killed.

NGC2736. Why is it ignorance, when I'm studying and researching something? Please tell me. Ignorance is that, if you're not looking after something. But what I'm doing here? Asking, asking and asking. You know. We're sharing information with each other. I'm sharing my point of view. You're sharing your point of view. That's not ignorance. That's research and discussion. Please don't mix the two.

Thanks.

D.C.

P.S.: No one ever said, that ONLY HALF MILLION. For me, every soul counts. As I stated, I hate lies. Remember for this. Hating lies is also not ignorance. Accepting lies, accepting everything for the first round... well, now that's ignorance. If the numbers are wrong, it's proving a lie. A big one. And you could live with that? That you lied to the whole world? Well. I don't really like this approach. My angel spirit likes the truth.

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Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
I'm saying that 6 million is appearing again and again, over and over. It's appearing right after WW1 and it's appearing right after WW2.

So far, ive seen this figure mentioned twice (in refrence). Not over and over, again and again. Once in this article, and once as the general figure of the number of jews killed during ww2

These sort of coincidences are not existing.

And your basing that on thousands of case studies of random events that seem linked together right? Or is that just your opinion?

It's also mentioning: In this threatened Holocaust of Human life... so, it's a Holocaust for the article writer.

Id say ignoring 6 million starving people, regardless of creed or race, would constitute a holocaust.

Consider the following as a Holocaust. Here are many ruined Hungarian families, whose are working day by days and cannot live from their payments, thanks to the Zionist government. So, guys! We have a Holocaust here. 10-14 million Hungarian lives a Holocaust in our present days. In Palestine, there are many Children, whose parents were killed, whose are starving. That's another Holocaust. In Lebanon, the same. Another Holocaust.

In my work, we need to see all the possibilities for each of the actions, events. That's why the U.S. Government is also hired writers to write the possibilities for upcoming terror threats. We, writers are able to see what you cannot see. But you cannot understand this, while you're not one of us.

But... Well. With a signature like that: The only good fascist is a DEAD fascist.
Uh... so, who is the real Facist here??? I already seen many nice comments at YNet. Each of your comments are similar? Kill him, destroy, eliminate, the dead one is the good one. Well, I'm not surprised that Angels have left you.

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Dark C., It is not the research that is ignorance, if that were all it were. I have read other posts of yours, and it is fairly easy to see which way you lean. It is obvious that you want to paint a bad picture of the Jews, and are doing whatever you can to that end.

OK, having an opinion about a group of people is every person's right. I have opinions on certain groups too, but I don't try to hide behind research. You are trying to make it look like this is some innocent little expedition to gather facts, when really it is to make all Jews look like devils. Same old Nazi story.

It is ignorance to only use the data you can find that bolsters your own viewpoint. Even the truth can be used for ignorance.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
Consider the following as a Holocaust. Here are many ruined Hungarian families, whose are working day by days and cannot live from their payments, thanks to the Zionist government. So, guys! We have a Holocaust here. 10-14 million Hungarian lives a Holocaust in our present days. In Palestine, there are many Children, whose parents were killed, whose are starving. That's another Holocaust. In Lebanon, the same. Another Holocaust.

Yes, there are countless numbers of people living in utter destitution. All suffering great economic hardships and unjusticies. Just like the jews in world war 2.

In my work, we need to see all the possibilities for each of the actions, events. That's why the U.S. Government is also hired writers to write the possibilities for upcoming terror threats. We, writers are able to see what you cannot see. But you cannot understand this, while you're not one of us.

How does writting fiction grant you higher insight than any other person on this board? Sorry bud, your just a shmuck like me.

But... Well. With a signature like that: The only good fascist is a DEAD fascist.
Uh... so, who is the real Facist here???

I am opposed to fascism and wish its removal from the minds of humans as a poltical ideology. I grant no freedoms to fascists, because they would grant me none. The same goes for respect and sympathy.
Who's the real fascist? Im not sure exactly what your getting at? I havent called anyone a fascist in this thread, so why allude to me being a fascist?
if those that support the fascist doctirines are willing to fight, kill, and die for thier poltical belief; So much i be ready to fight, kill, and die to protect my political beliefs. Im not a passivist, im a realist. I realize that people are not going to turncoat their idea's with damn good reason or without a fight.

I already seen many nice comments at YNet. Each of your comments are similar? Kill him, destroy, eliminate, the dead one is the good one.

Which comments are those? please highlight them for me.

Well, I'm not surprised that Angels have left you.

The angels left my side at my request.
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[edit on 6-6-2007 by InSpiteOf]

Even using your own number of "only 271,301 people", this would, in my opinion justify the Jewish people and for that matter the world to rightly blame the Nazi's for perpetrating a "holocaust" and attempted genocide on the Jewish people.

InSpiteOf. No. Unfortunately. You don't have a Guardian. Well, you have, but that's not an Angel, that's for sure. If you would have a Guardian, you would know that one Angel is guarding one person. And you would written in this case "My Angel" and not "The angels". Just to make this clear, you're lieing.

Just simply take a look at most of the comments at YNet. Each of them about hatred.

About writing. I told you. If you're not in this business, you cannot understand it. We, writers need to see every possibilities for every step. We need to see, what is behind the curtains. Do you like this fact or not, it's not going to change.

NGC2736. Yes. I have an opinion about the Jews. You know what is one of the reason? When I cannot get a job, because I'm not a Jew in a Christian land and Jews are giving the real jobs to non-qualified, untrained Jews, instead of professionals. Other facts, that until this very moment, every Jew that I ever encountered was a liar, was a thief, wanted to thief something. In my eyes, they're not honorable at all and you may thanks this to those Jews. Nazi story for you, still research for me. It all goes into my book. It's nice to see that your style never changes. It's pretty predictable. Seriously. I'm always want to give a chance to you, for that case maybe I'm mistaken, but you're always offensive, arrogant, while you knows absolutely nothing about the real world. Or you knows, but you simply covering lies too. In this case, you're guilty too.

Until this moment, just in this thread, I didn't heard anything, what would convince me about your right. Not because you cannot change my mind. No. Because you simply want to force your opinion to others. If he is not going to accept it, in this case, he is a Nazi. And this is ridiculous.

Anyway. Thanks for the interesting chat.

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I'm confused, the zionist government is running Hungary now?

you are so sorely misled DC, on so many different things.

Who lives in Hungary? You or me? I believe it's me. What do you believe, what against the people have fought last year? Against those idiot Zionists, leaded by PM Gyurcsany. Don't speak about something, what you don't know. Zionists are running the show, but they're already shaking in their boots. Well. Guardians are protecting Hungary. We know this, but they don't.

Well. Gotta go. I will return tomorrow to collect more info about behavior patterns. Again. Thanks guys.

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Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
InSpiteOf. No. Unfortunately. You don't have a Guardian. If you would have, you would know that one angel is guarding one person. And you would written in this case "My Angel" and not "The angels".

Just to make this clear, you're lieing.

Just simply take a look at most of the comments at YNet. Each of them about hatred.

I dont believe in god, angels, demons, or the devil. My comment about angels (plural) was taken in context with your writtings here:

Well, I'm not surprised that Angels have left you.

Edit: just because someones notion of the workings of the heavens does not fit into your preconcieved notions, does not mean they are wrong. If someone else believes they have a team of angels working on their side, who are you to say they are wrong?


What is "YNet." And what does it have to do with me? You say you hate lies (and you seem to hate jews based on your posts) so if i fit in there because i hate fascism, you certainly would fit in there too.



[edit on 6-6-2007 by InSpiteOf]

See my previous post. I'm not available until tomorrow. Or leave your message after the beeping voice. Have a nice day.

[edit on 6-6-2007 by Dark Crystalline]

I too do a bit of writing, time to time. And reading comes in handy for me. That means that I read up on subjects before I form an opinion.

As to me calling you a Nazi, well, if it looks like a duck, etc...etc...etc...

And not that I want to stuff anything down anyone's throat, but you missed the point I made, on purpose I fear. It doesn't matter how many, give or take a few million, that were killed. The fact remains that Hitler tried to kill as many non-Germans as he could. And you are hell bent on making it look like he was just misunderstood.

Debating the actual numbers is misleading when you have proven, with your own words, that you're doing so to point out what disgusting sub-human creators the Jews are. Yes, acting like your words are the only ones worth considering puts you in the same class as the rest of the Nazis. Can you spell Superman?

And that part about me not being in the real world is really funny.

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Originally posted by grover
BULL HOOEY.

Have you seen the film that was made by the U.S. military (I believe) of the liberation of the camps?

Why is it so important for you to deny such an important event?

Grover? how many dead people were there in the films? 6 millions?

And who says there were all Jews? you?

The Red Cross themselve that was composed of over 50 nations also says that the holocaust of so many Jews was only a fabrication.

Who should I believe? the Jews or 50 nations?

"When the truth comes into the light, the lies will hide in the dark"...Ponce

As far as I am concern the Jews don't wan't the truth to come out and that's why they fight everyone who want's to talk about it, including some moderators at this site that keeps on deliting some postings.

there's no helping a lost cause. one can only hope that the hatred this poor chap is so proud to spew doesn't continue to get passed along to future generations.