New Holocaust facts - Interesting reading for everyone, Mk2

This is the third thread I have seen you participating in about this sort of thing today. I understand that this is your view and yes, you're allowed to have it and share it. But please, don't discriminate against the Jewish population.

Take care.

Well. You may zoom to the picture in firefox. Try with that one. But it's writing down the exact script of the WW2 Holocaust. Just it's from 1919. So, I'm finding this a little bit interesting. And no, it has no connection to 1830. It's about WW1.

Anagram. I'll not try to discriminate, but I'd like to get answers for my questions. But after I get the "Anti-Semite", "Nazi" stuff after each of my questions, my patience is also limited. And if I'm a Nazi, because I'd like to get some answers, in this case, not I'm the one who is discriminating. And this case, those one's whose are responding this are "Anti-Christians". And it's the same sin as the "Anti-Semite".

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Grover

I may be wrong, but I think you may be referring to a film made by Sidney Bernstein of the Allied Psychological War Unit. He was British though and went on to work for the BBC. There are some US films too but the details you describe are certainly in Bernstein's film. It is one of the most horrifying things I ever watched.

The film was made to be shown in Germany but it was withdrawn as the country was in such a mess economically. They needed to rebuild not demoralise further. Not sure they made the right choice but not my choice. It was not shown to audiences until 1985.

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That supposed scanned image looks kinda fake to me...I can't explain why, just something looks fake about it.

Also, I'm going to assume you are probably Arab and also Muslim, am I right? This is just an assumption from reading your posts. Correct me if I am wrong.

Just so you know, Hal Turner isn't just anti-semitic, he is also a white supremacist, therefore he would hate you too (if you are, indeed, Arab.)

Also, for your information, I know people who have family members who died in the Holocaust. And one of them isn't even Jewish, shes Christian.

This brings about the point that tons of non-Jews also were killed.

Communists/Political opponents.
Gypsies
Homosexuals
The Mentally/Physically Handicapped
Slavs (Eastern Europeans, who the Nazis believed were inferior.)
Freemasons
Jehovas Witnesses

And had those people been in the area, the victims would also include Arabs and Africans...just lucky for them they weren't really in Europe at the time (at least in concentrated amounts.)

So if your denying the holocaust out of simply anti-semitism, or at least anti-Zionism, your also denying the deaths of tons of other people, not just Jews.

If we were to assume that the Jews really did make up the Holocaust so people would feel guilty about them, why would it also say tons of other non-Jews were killed?

In fact Jews were about half of the deaths, in total about 12 million people were killed in the camps.

And, please, how do you explain those pictures of piles of bodies? Do you also deny the fact that Hitler was anti-semitic?

Just so you know, I'm not saying the Holocaust justifies the mistreatment of Palestinians. It just seems to me the majority of Holocaust Deniers are ether A) Neo-Nazis who want to clear their names.
Or
B) Anti-Zionists who support the freeing of Palestine from oppression.

In the case of B, which I'm pretty sure you are, it seems to me the denial of the Holocaust is out of anger, and in all honesty I can understand that. I'm guilty of similar things, but we need to learn to act sanely and not judge and act and base our beliefs on our angry impulses.

Of course...I'm kinda a hypocrite saying that, as I rarely follow that advice myself...

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Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
Yes, they have big noses and they have a different DNA, which is making them a lil' bit different from other races, nations (i.e. completely asymmetric body, they're starting to become bold way too young, their eyes not their best, most of them are wearing glasses, they cannot walk without shambling, they have deep eyes... not really convincing and for me, it's usually remembering for some sort of evil, but that's a personal experience, etc, etc...).

sigh, I just wish my kids were old enough to understand how valuable this quote is. it demonstrates ignorance, hate, stupidity, sterotypes and bigotry all in one neat little package.

allow me to clue you in on a few things my friend. Everyone has DNA that differs from eachother. DNA testing is used to identify unidentifiable remains of dead people.
not all jews have big noses.
not all jews are bent over, wear glasses and shamble.
no horns either

I'm amazed. Truly amazed. Fortunately, I have met a few hungarians in my life and I know that they aren't all ignorant narrow minded backwards thinking folks. some of them actually have an education beyond the cartoons of nazi era germany.

Uh... Okay. Is there any evidence, which was made by a Christian or other person from a Non-Jewish religion? Mr. Bernstein is also from the Jewish community. Is there any evidence, which was not made by a Jewish person? I'm curious.

Originally posted by Kacen
That supposed scanned image looks kinda fake to me...I can't explain why, just something looks fake about it.

that article is real. it was written in 1919 by the former governor of NY. He was the first catholic governor of ny. I guess even then the jews were controlling the us gov't.

Crekeur. Sorry. What I written down, shambling, glasses, DNA... well, that was told me by few Hungarian Jew. So... it's not my fault again.

were they shambling, big nosed, stooped and asymetirical?

before you talk about a group of people, especially in a negative light, it might help if you had a clue about them. the stereotypes you've been taught and the hatred you have been taught came from somewhere. you weren't born hating jews (and I'm assuming the Roma aren't high on your list either). Other than stories passed on by probable nazi sympathizers, do you have any actual reason to dislike or, dare I say it, hate the jews (or the Roma)?

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
Well. I've just found this article, but it's also at many places. Frankly, I never heard about him before. But, well... in this case the Red-Cross is the Holocaust denier, not Hal Turner. But why the Red-Cross would ever lie to us? What would be their intention? Nothing.

grover. Have you ever heard about well fabricated propaganda? I heard about it, because I'm working in the movie industry. Plus, the movie was about the libaration, not about the event itself. So, yes, camps was liberated. There was many killed or died man... but we never seen how did they died. That's a fact.

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May that be because the red cross nor anyone else hac the capabilitiy to count up ashes from the crematoria?Frankly sir i find your posts ranging from malicious juvinilism to outright genocide.

Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by Kacen
That supposed scanned image looks kinda fake to me...I can't explain why, just something looks fake about it.

that article is real. it was written in 1919 by the former governor of NY. He was the first catholic governor of ny. I guess even then the jews were controlling the us gov't.

Err, not that, the image posted by the creator of this thread. The first post.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
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Yes, they have big noses and they have a different DNA, which is making them a lil' bit different from other races, nations (i.e. completely asymmetric body, they're starting to become bold way too young, their eyes not their best, most of them are wearing glasses, they cannot walk without shambling, they have deep eyes... not really convincing and for me, it's usually remembering for some sort of evil, but that's a personal experience, etc, etc...).

Having read the above, I can only say WoW ... as in sheer and utter. We all have Different DNA, somewhat. That's what makes us unique. While their are certain physical traits that are unique to a given race, they are certainly not to the extent or even in the same realm as those you purport. Honestly. Sheer and Utter. wow.

My best friend can't see beyond the tip of his big nose, walks with a gimp, and has very deep, almost wondrous, eyes. Guess what? not a jew. Imagine that. Personally, I don't what he is. We call him Sam.

I'll leave you to further your research into Sheer and Utter. Good day.

 

Now you're actually getting the picture. This is interesting and I for one will be pursuing this and I suggest that if you are genuinely interested in finding out the truth in this matter you will too. Let me know what you find.

Martin Glynn, who wrote the article was the first Catholic Governor of New York, which could be very significant. There is no dpubt in my mind that the Third Reich and the execution of the holocaust existed in the minds of some people as early as 1919.

This is an interesting find (in the end) and I look forward to exploring it further.

Thanks

So if your denying the holocaust out of simply anti-semitism, or at least anti-Zionism, your also denying the deaths of tons of other people, not just Jews.

If we were to assume that the Jews really did make up the Holocaust so people would feel guilty about them, why would it also say tons of other non-Jews were killed?

In fact Jews were about half of the deaths, in total about 12 million people were killed in the camps.

And, please, how do you explain those pictures of piles of bodies? Do you also deny the fact that Hitler was anti-semitic?

Well. In my country, Jews are denying that Hungarians have ever died in the camps. In their eyes, we're all Nazis. How am I explaining the bodies? Simple. Decease. The Germans hadn't enough medicine and food to give them. This was also in the P.O.W. camps too. There was deceases, food shortage too. My grandfather was a soldier in the Second World War, he was also a P.O.W. and he also looked like just the men and women on the pictures, which was made in the Camps. There were no differences. And in that prison, there was the same. No food, no medicine.

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I know of a few hungarians who died in the camps. I have some hungarian blood in me and a few ancestors who perished. so did my wife's family.

jews don't deny that others died in the camps. they will be happy to point out the folks that stood by and did nothing when they were dragged away. they will gladly point out the folks that aided and abetted the nazis in their hunt for the jews and other "undesireables."

you should really step back, away from the computer, take a deep breath and then maybe find yourself a few history books that can be read without making a donation to the jackboot union or goosesteppers ball.

Originally posted by Crakeur
were they shambling, big nosed, stooped and asymetirical?

before you talk about a group of people, especially in a negative light, it might help if you had a clue about them. the stereotypes you've been taught and the hatred you have been taught came from somewhere. you weren't born hating jews (and I'm assuming the Roma aren't high on your list either). Other than stories passed on by probable nazi sympathizers, do you have any actual reason to dislike or, dare I say it, hate the jews (or the Roma)?

I told you, it was told by some Hungarian Jew. Number two, I have eyes, I can see this too. Why is it negative? You're a proud nation, a proud race. That's you. Roma... the Gypsies? Well, after they're attacking Hungarians day by day, I'm not really the fan of them too, I need to admit.

Plus, I'm not a Nazi Sympathizer. I just hate lies. It's that simple. Oh. I already wanted to took up one question. Is it really true, that the Jewish people are banned the Angels from their religion, but they've kept the Demons in it? I'm curious.

They don't deny others whose died in the camps??? Come to Hungary and see it yourself. In this case the Hungarian Jews are a bit different then the other Jews, because they forget this little detail.

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Please, I can understand your reason to search a matter out and find the truth. But this is a VERY sensitive topic. I suggest you go and find a survivor of one of those camps. One that still bears the numbers from the Indian ink tattoo on there forearm. Bring your questions and doubts to them and HEAR there side. Then LISTEN to the horrors and atrocities that they endured and witnessed. This didn't happen hundreds of years ago my friend. There are those who still recall and have nightmares of what happened. Not just the Jews. We have Americans, Russians, Brits and yes even Germans who helped as many Jews as they could escape the madness. It happened, face it. Why now is it some big conspiracy? Why not back when it happened? There were too many nations involved to create that elaborate of a conspiracy without someone jumping up and down and screaming fake. Come on the only conspiracy here is someone is trying to deny it to push there own agenda.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
Is it really true, that the Jewish people are banned the Angels from their religion, but they've kept the Demons in it? I'm curious.

been a hell of a long time since my bar mitzvah and hebrew school days. the only Angels and Demons I know about are in a Dan Brown book and the New Testament.

would it matter? if jews don't believe in angels or demons, would it make a difference? jews read the old testament (although some find the term old offensive as we've never supplanted it with a sequel).

the jewish bible is the book a fellow named jesus followed. he scriptures followed by jesus are the jewish scriptures. jesus was a jew. a big nosed, shuffling, stooped over jew.

Dark Crystalline

There was no food and medicine because the camp guarda and doctors sold it for their own profit and greed. People were beaten to death as summary punishments and yes, they were gassed. They were also lined up in fron t of pits and shot in the back of the neck. The Jews citsenship was taken away from them and their property seized. This went into the SS coffers or the individuals pockets. Theft was a serious problem and the penalties were incredibly harsh, but it was still prolific.

If you are genuinely interested then go get some books. The Hungarian Jews were deported and murdered in the camps, at the very lowest estimate 40,000 of them. Eichmann also attempted to 'ransom' them, but the Zionist refused to pay unless they were to go to Palestine. Hitler evidently vetoed this, due to his alliance with the Pasha of Palestine, who was living in exile in Germany at that time.

I'm just curious for this Angel topic (It's connecting to my religion.). And for me, yes, it's really important. As I heard, there was Angels and Demons in the Jewish religion, but somehow the Jews are banned the Angels around the 15th century, but kept the Demons, Shades, Night Spirits until the present day. I'm really curious why did they do this? Maybe someone could answer this to me...

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