New Holocaust facts - Interesting reading for everyone, Mk2

Okay. Let's try again without deleting this thread, my dear moderators.

Here is an interesting reading, which is showing some interesting details about the Holocaust. The numbers are speaking for themselves.

Source: www.halturnershow.com...

4 June 2007 -- 14:43 HRS EDT
OFFICIAL RECORDS FROM INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS PROVE "HOLOCAUST" WAS A FRAUD!
RECENTLY RELEASED RECORDS, SEALED FOR YEARS, SHOW "CONCENTRATION CAMP" DEATH TOTALS OF ONLY 271,301
SIX MILLION JEWS DID NOT DIE; THE WHOLE CLAIM WAS A COMPLETE FABRICATION
By: Hal Turner

For years, Jews have told people around the world that six million of them were systematically murdered in German "Concentration Camps" during World War 2. Anyone disputing this claim has been viciously smeared as a hateful anti-Semite. Countries around the world have even jailed people for disputing the claim that 6 Million were killed.

Here now, for all the world to see, is a scanned image of an Official International Red Cross document proving the so-called "Holocaust" never happened. Jews around the world intentionally lied for the purpose of gaining emotional and business advantages for themselves. They committed willful, criminal FRAUD upon millions around the world!

"The Holocaust" is the greatest lie ever told. Millions of dollars have been paid out to "holocaust survivors" and their descendants for something that DID NOT HAPPEN. THis is intentional, criminal fraud on a scale so massive as to almost incomprehensible.


Below is the scanned image of the Official Death Total report from the International Red Cross.



"The Holocaust" is the greatest lie ever told. Millions of dollars have been paid out to "holocaust survivors" and their descendants for something that DID NOT HAPPEN. The claim of a "Holocaust" was intentional, criminal fraud on a scale so massive as to be almost incomprehensible.

I call for criminal prosecution of individuals and groups who filed false lawsuits to obtain holocaust reparations and financial damage awards, for perpetrating deliberate fraud upon Courts. I call for the removal of Holocaust references in History books and educational materials. I call for the removal of Holocaust Memorials worldwide.

It is long overdue this intentional fraud be halted and those who perpetrated it be brought to justice for 60 years of vicious lies and financial fraud.

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BULL HOOEY.

Have you seen the film that was made by the U.S. military (I believe) of the liberation of the camps?

Why is it so important for you to deny such an important event?

Holocaust denier eh?

Hal Turner?

Yeah that's credible.

I moved this to Skunk Works because: "...this forum is for your most outlandish and extreme speculative conspiracy theory ideas. " - source.
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Well. I've just found this article, but it's also at many places. Frankly, I never heard about him before. But, well... in this case the Red-Cross is the Holocaust denier, not Hal Turner. But why the Red-Cross would ever lie to us? What would be their intention? Nothing.

grover. Have you ever heard about well fabricated propaganda? I heard about it, because I'm working in the movie industry. Plus, the movie was about the libaration, not about the event itself. So, yes, camps was liberated. There was many killed or died man... but we never seen how did they died. That's a fact.

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No one with any knowledge of the Holocaust says they, all the victims, died in the concentration/death camps. Most died elsewhere, and were either buried in mass graves or left to the animals. No one is going ever know for sure how many died, least of all you, since you are bound and determined, along with the rest of the denier crowd, to ignore all the evidence. Ignore, if you will, all the evidence of the pogroms launched in occupied Europe during WWII. Yugoslavia, Hungary, Norway, France, Germany, Italy, Greece, and other nations all had their lovely moments of anti-Jew pogroms.

I know you'll ignore it, because it doesn't fit your little preconcieved notions. ATS is about denying ignorance, yet you continue to wallow in it. Party on, dude...

I'm listening to everyone. But what would happen if you've taught something wrong. If what you ever learned, what you ever known is just an illusion, which is serving something greater? This thought never went through your mind, right? Every dime has two sides. And sometimes the other side is the brighter one, the truth, not that what you see for the first round. It's easier to say, deniers, or ignorant ones, but take up one single question. Why should we deny something without any intentions. Before you would come with the following... we're hating Jews... personally I hate lies. That's why I'm dig myself into this. Maybe I'm mistaken. Those ones are mistaking, whose have the bravery to make a small research about an event. But what happens if you're mistaking and what we're saying is the truth.

Researching is not denying.

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So it took what five minutes of work to find that it was all a hoax...you poor pathetic child...try reading the evidence on both sides before reaching out and grasping the only piece of evidence that supports your own very limited perspective on the situation.

It's deny ignorance not re-inforce it dear.

Perhaps you should actually answer your own question - why would the Red Cross lie to us? Dig a little (and that's books not Google)and you might be highly interested in what you find. Did you know that Red Cross nurses were interred in the Camps - I've read their testimony - did you also know that some of them were actually given freedom in return for helping with experiments and for 'caring' for the inmates in the camps - by caring I mean beating them and tortoring them. And before you say it, these were non-Jewish camps, but the treatment for the gentile slaves was little better. Not all Red Cross workers were corrupt but there was plenty of corruption as hard as that may be for you to believe.

For heavens sake what do you think that big building with the word library on the front is for.

Kilgore. What you've written down would be good, rather excellent, if this Red-Cross research wouldn't be made in 1979, almost 34 years after the end of WW2, where they counted everything, based on the real data. See the image. It's an updated list, which is proving that someone already tried to uncover this in 79 and he is successfully accomplished his mission. And this little details just came to the surface.

So, before you're saying something, read everything and watch everything, before you're making these sort of comments. Fabrication? Highly doubt it. Check the dates on the picture.

Anyway, it's easier to say, ignorance then realize that maybe you're wrong.

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Your research is shall we say, very limited and shallow. As Kilgore said, try the library instead of google. You'll find that books will tell you a whole lot more. Research implies looking at both sides of any issue. Particularly an issue so sensitive as this.

Wallowing in denial is mistaken belief. Look at the other evidence, not just the ones that agree with your preconceived notions. If you are so convinced of the rightness of your evidence that the Holocaust never happened it won't hurt you any to read the actual memoirs of the survivors, the testimony of the Nazi criminals at Nuremburg. Watch the film clips from the US and British militaries at the liberation of the camps. Look between the lines of the deniers own words, you can see their agenda if you look for it. You say you don't hate Jews, well deniers for the most part do.

Here we go....I suppose after stirring up all the anti-semitism in two other threads you figured you'd go for a one-two punch huh? This is just mty opinion,but I think your discussion needs would be better suited to a neo-nazi board rather than this one.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
But what would happen if you've taught something wrong. If what you ever learned, what you ever known is just an illusion, which is serving something greater? This thought never went through your mind, right? Every dime has two sides. And sometimes the other side is the brighter one, the truth, not that what you see for the first round.

yes, Dark Crystalline, what happens if you've been misled, taught to hate, taught that a group of people were something they weren't? Has this ever passed thru your mind? Have you ever wondered how the allies could have come up with all that so called phony evidence? how they could have produced all those records, photographs, videos, witnesses etc?
Usually, the side of hate is the wrong side, unless your a star wars fan and then the dark side is, well, more fun.

Well. I'm a writer. I know how easy to create stories. Frankly. It's a really easy stuff. I also read many interesting books about that, how the captors forced the Commanders of the camps to make the testimony. i.e. why don't you mention that the last Commander of one of the camp, who was captured in 1960 is mentioned that there were no Gas Chambers at all. Then he "accidentally" died a day later, because he wasn't wanted to make any false testimony. Why don't you mention these little details? Or the fact, that before WW2, in 1939 the Jewish population was 15 million. After WW2, in 1945, the Jewish population was 15, 200, 000. So... if 6 million died... well, I never was good in math, but somehow this is not really works. Other interesting fact, that a small Jewish newspaper made a small article in 1917 ooor 1918, after WW1, that there was a Holocaust with 6 million victims too. After WW1. Well, well, well. History is repeating itself or it was another lieing? So? Don't you find these stuff a little bit interesting? Because I do. And I love mysteries.

I said, I hate lies. If you're making that conclusion that this statement is equal with "I hate Jews", in this case, there is something problem with you. It's psychology. And it's showing that you have something to hide. No offense.

So in 1979 the Red Cross's data was more accurate than the Germans data obtained in 1945 from where the six million figure comes from. As the Red Cross, in their official capacity, did not enter the camps until after they had been liberated how would they know. They made food and supply drops into the camps but never set foot inside untila fter the bodies had been buried. The allied forces documented what they found in the camps, photographically, bulldozers shovelling emaciated corpses into the burial pits because there were too many to carry and the risk of disease was increased the longer that they lay out in the open. I can scan you a picture of that right now if you like to match your memo of '79. What is the translation of the writing in German, as i cannot read it? Are you certain it says what you think it does, are you sure that you are not believing what they want you to believe?

Put some elbow grease into it, then question me about who is wrong in this argument.

Actually you're mistaking here, because in each of the Army squads, there is at least one medic, who is representing the Red Cross. Sorry. In this case they was there already since the liberation and they also made documentations.

See above. There are few facts, which are also have some mistakes. Read it. If you can tell me how these things could be possible, you can convince me.

What the hell is this? So arrogant? This guy presents a piece of evidence for evaluation, and instead of doing so, he is immediately attacked at treated like a child by people deciding to act like pretentious asses. In the words of Kilgore, "It's deny ignorance not re-inforce it dear."

Obviously this Hal Turner guy is just running with sensationalism, but let's quit whining and get to the subject: what is this document? Where did it come from? Can we find a copy of this that isn't on Turner's site?

Sorry. I mistaken. That article, what I mentioned was presented in 1919 in the New York Hebrew. Here is the scan of the original edition. It's the WW1 "Holocaust" Edition.



So, please tell me, how is it possible to release this sort of article BEFORE WW2 and BEFORE the Holocaust.

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Like I said there was a film done... by a major director, I want to say John Huston or someone of his status in conjuncture with the U.S. Military to document the liberation of the death camps as it happened.... it also showed the U.S. Military taking local Germans through the camps and having them help bury the bodies. Many of the local Germans either threw up and/or started weeping at what they saw...and they all claimed that they had no idea.

The film was originally meant to be shown to the American public but it was way too graphic and grim so it was canned for 60 years. A couple years ago PBS broadcast it and I sat through the whole thing and it colored my dreams for a long time afterwards.

Also one of the most profound and disturbing books in my personal library... I read it once and I am not sure I have the strength of spirit to ever reread it, but I dare not dispose of it is entitled "Hasidic Tales of the Holocaust" complied by Yafta Eliach. It is at one and the same time a deeply troubling and a deeply spiritual book... I highly recommend it.

An uncle of mine helped liberate the camps and whenever he talked about it, which was rare, the man would turn pale and eventually start weeping.

Made up facts do not do that to a soul.

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Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
Well. I'm a writer.

I'm guessing fiction.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
I said, I hate lies. If you're making that conclusion that this statement is equal with "I hate Jews", in this case, there is something problem with you. It's psychology. And it's showing that you have something to hide. No offense.

I'm not making any assumptions that you hate jews based on your saying you hate lies. I'm basing my assumption on your comments about jews from various threads. Want me to post them? You know, the ones where you say jews are trying to ruin Hungary? How about the one where yopu ask if the way they identified the 5,000 dead jews was by the big noses? Should I post your comment about jews being theves?

Rather than have me assume it, say it for me. Say "I don't hate jews"

Crakeur. Yes, I'm writing fiction, drama and political stuffs. And also I'm writing about religions.

And yes, I hate lies. That's a fact. To how am I presenting them, that's additional fact. That's why we're human. We're different. Yes, I don't like them. That's additional fact. And I don't hate them. That's a fact too. You know there is a difference between I don't like them and I hate them. I don't need to like everyone, right? They're not on my top list, that's also true.

That's also a fact, that they're ruining my beloved motherland. And yes, I written that down, what you mentioned because that's also a fact. Yes, they have big noses and they have a different DNA, which is making them a lil' bit different from other races, nations (i.e. completely asymmetric body, they're starting to become bold way too young, their eyes not their best, most of them are wearing glasses, they cannot walk without shambling, they have deep eyes... not really convincing and for me, it's usually remembering for some sort of evil, but that's a personal experience, etc, etc...). But you're also proud for these properties, so I cannot see any problem here. That's also a fact. For me, it's not a problem. But if you don't like these facts, that's your problem again.

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Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
So, please tell me, how is it possible to release this sort of article BEFORE WW2 and BEFORE the Holocaust.

I couldn't read the article as the text is too small and I haven't yet worked out how to size it up. But I would presume that the article will refer to the ghettoisation and terrible treatment that the Jews were suffering in the Pale of Settlement, Poland and the Baltic States. The conditions for these Jews was horrendous and what sparked off the migrations to the US in the 1830s by many Jews in this area.

This is why the Jews were so please about the possible spread of communicsm, initially they thought that their lives would be better. Following Communism the Jews in Poland were treated even worse. This is why the Jews were rounded up and in some cases already murdered in preparation for the Nazis arrival. They were as keen to be rid of the Jews as the Nazis.

It is interesting though that the term Holocaust was coined, in this context in 1919, I didn't know that.