Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
Notice that every time something like this happens, the media labels them "paranoid" or "delusional." They want people to think that others who question the status quo are prone to acts such as this. This whole thing stinks in my opinion.

You've got a point.

The media does tend to play on the old stereotypes, don't you think?

Could be a bad day,week, month, year.....

Maybe he lost his job 6 weeks ago ( it went to a college grad )

lost his girlfriend 4 weeks ago, no Job no money, no money, no honey

then his dog dies because of poison food 2 weeks ago

then he finds out his old girlfriend is dating a guy from college

Blind rage takes over, growing with each day

thats If the two are related, would it be wild ( suppositions inserted here ) if it was two "Manchurian candidates" going off on the same mission? It will be interesting to see what laws come out of this. Did he go back home and reload then come back later?

Originally posted by infinite
I would be HIGHLY surprised if America now doesn't adopt tougher gun laws.

In the United Kingdom, in 2005/2006 50 people were killed by gun violence. It fell from a third, 78 to 50.

This is only an excuse for tougher gun laws. The real culprit is pharmaceutical drugs that are being shoved on society.

Prescription drugs are connected to school shootings and other violence, yet more drugs are touted as the solution

Back in 1999, they blamed guns. So if the students had picked up knives and stabbed people to death, it would have been a knife problem? Give me a break; it's not a knife problem, or a gun problem… it's a medication problem. These schools are supposed to be drug-free zones, and yet half the kids are doped up on antidepressants and Ritalin. How is that drug-free?

Originally posted by infinite


You've got a point.

The media does tend to play on the old stereotypes, don't you think?

Yes,I do. Every time something like this happens they get labeled one of three things

The biggest one is

"Well, he was always a loner."

The second:

"He was very paranoid. Kind of weird."

The third:

"He was delusional."

Why the big surprise? This will happen again that I can be certain of. Obviously its wrong but this cannot and will not be stopped. The anti-gun advocates will crawl out of the woodwork and state their case as will those who cherish their 2nd amendment rights. The talk shows and media will almost certainly relish the increased ratings while the rest of us question something to which there really is no clear answer and certainly no future prevention.

Get used to it, its what we are and what society has created.

brill

For the last time - Guns are not banned in Britain.
Anyone who says so is just repeating what they've heard off someone who knows nothing rather than doing some very basic research. We have stricter controls than you but we do have guns (legally)

Back on topic.

What is it with people these days? - you're having a bad time and have a gun (assuming the other posts are correct). OK it happens but while I can understand topping yourself what is it with these recent instances of taking 20+ people with you?

Is it more common recently or is it just it's more reported?

I know it's an unpopular view but I have to wonder if video games play a part in this desire to 'get some' before you kill yourself

Originally posted by Strangerous
I know it's an unpopular view but I have to wonder if video games play a part in this desire to 'get some' before you kill yourself

I will admit, that yes I have read many reports and articles regarding gun violence and the causes.

There is a huge ATS thread of violence in video games.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by infinite]

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
Why is our country so damn violent? This is such a sad story

It is your rotten culture and straying from path of God that has brought and will continue to bring these calamities upon your people.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
like I asked earlier, where would the banning stop? I mean, would we also be required to cut off our hands so we are no longer able to strangle? How about pointy sticks? Pieces of metal? Knives? Forks? Frying pans? Where would the banning stop?

Anyway, this isn't really what this thread is about, but you do bring up a good point.

No its not a good point, Ive yet to see someone go on a rampage strangling 30+ people at a school.

guns are different because there is no defence against them and its easy to kill dozens of people. Thats not so with bare hands or knives.

Originally posted by Dr Love
How are you able to kill 32 freaking people with two 9mm? It takes time to reload. Why didn't any of the students attack this scumbag?

Yes, I know I wasn't in that situation, but it still makes no sense to me.

Peace

edit: body count is rising, more edits to come.

[edit on 16-4-2007 by Dr Love]

It makes no sense to me either. I'm calling bull on the story. There is no way one person did this. And if I'm correct it won't be long until all of the gun control crap starts.

Even if it is legitimate and one guy did it, where did he get the idea from? Yep you guessed it. The sensationalism by the media of all the other shootings.







[edit on 16-4-2007 by Critical_Mass]

Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by idunno1
wanusmaximus.livejournal.com...

wanusmaximus.livejournal.com...

Seen this on another forum.

That's the one. His blog also says he broke up with his girl friend recently, same thing is mentioned in the news story.

Dear Mr. Chiang,

On behalf of the Graduate School of Virginia Tech, I am pleased to inform you that based upon the recommendation of the Information Technology Faculty, we can offer you admission for the Master of Information Technology for Fall Semester 2007. Congratualations!

blah, blah, blah.

Sincerely,

Karen P. DePauw, PhD.
Vice Provost for Graduate Studies
and Dean of the Graduate School


guess I'm going back for more hell.

This guy certainly doesn't (or maybe didn't..) like the place.




[edit on 16-4-2007 by Spreadthetruth]

Originally posted by Dr Love

Originally posted by Quicksilver
It is surprising that one guy with 2 9mm can shoot 53 people without any hinderance? I swear where are the cops or any type of emergency crews??

My thoughts exactly. I'm surprised a couple Hokie football players didn't try to level the guy and smash his head in.

Peace

Watch this video.....then tell me you or anyone else would have the guts to tackle a man with a gun. You would hide and pray just like those here. Zero Day Massacre Entire Video

My belief:

His girlfriend broke up with him. He's obviously obsessed with women, death, and guns if you look up his profile and website.

He goes to kill his ex-girlfriend at the orginal building at 7:!5am. He is successful, and leaves. Then realizes what kind of trouble he is in, and figures he might as well go out in a blaze. That explains the two hours.

He then begins his rampage sometime after 9am killing random people, and ulimately himself.

Update: this is from a 911 call that I saw on NBC:

Girl: "A boyfriend and girlfriend were having a fight, the R.A. (Resident Assistant) came to intervene. The boyfriend pulled a gun and shot his girlfriend and the R.A."


That explains the first two victims at 7:15am and if you read my theory, it fits perfectly.

Originally posted by Battlefresh

Originally posted by Dr Love

Originally posted by Quicksilver
It is surprising that one guy with 2 9mm can shoot 53 people without any hinderance? I swear where are the cops or any type of emergency crews??

My thoughts exactly. I'm surprised a couple Hokie football players didn't try to level the guy and smash his head in.

Peace

Watch this video.....then tell me you or anyone else would have the guts to tackle a man with a gun. You would hide and pray just like those here. Zero Day Massacre Entire Video

IDK battlefresh. I can not say what I would do. I have had a gun waived in my face when i was robbed once. I complied i did what they wanted.

This is completely different. This video did not make me sad it made me enraged. I am the person that looks out for other over myself. If i heard people crying and screaming for help i would def. not run away. I hope i am never in a position to prove this but i hope I would be strong enough to help others and put them above myself.

Society has become desensitized towards violence,especially the people that have been born in the last 25 year's.Our culture is full of drug's,violence and perverse sex that seems to only be getting worse by the year.

Our families are mostly broken up when children are young. Most parent's get divorced or split up when their kid's are at an early age,some kid's go through many step-dad's and step mom's never having a sense of family or structure.

Children are witness' to violent thing's from an early age more now then ever ,making them used to this kind of thing from an early age.Look at our entertainment industry ,half the movies released are very violent.There are 3 news channels that are on 24x7 expossing kid's to many attrocities.The fact is that children growing up nowadays are desensitized when it comes to violence "they are used to it".The majority of kid's these day's listen to music that either glorifies violence and drug's in rap music,or they listen to depressing drug addict white music.

There also seems to be prescription drug's for everything these day's,people are being raised on these mind-bending pill's making them very unstable.People are complaining about depression and needing a pill for this and that.Society has to remember that depression is a part of life and you don't need mid-bending pill's to deal with it,before pill's we were all doing fine.

Teenager's in high school are exposed to illegal hardcore drug's at an alarming rate,coc aine,heroin,and assortment prescription pill's etc....when i was in high school in 1989-1993 the only drug's were marijuana and maybe '___'.

I know a lot of you don't want to believe the whole video game problem but it is a HUGE problem.It's not only the fact that the majority of games are basically you killing something,it's the fact that a lot of gamers tend to get very addicted to them to the point that they shy away from society and there friend's.I know people that are addicted to video games and it's kinda creepy knowing that your 30 year old friend has pretty much locked himself out from society and his friend's to play video games.

Our society is in an ongoing downward spiral,alot of people in this country think the world owes them something because of there messed up childhood.So instead they go on a stupid rampage like this to get attention.


Sorry for the rant.

I agree, that he was in blind rage. The question before the court really is was the weapon legal or illegal. Yet that is irrelevant. The real question is why are americans so paranoid. As a superpower and first world nation we have one of the least violent pasts of any nation, yet we seem to have the need for a gun more than anything. I agree that we should be allowed muzzle loaded rifles as was the intention on when the bill of rights was written. How far do we take this 'arms' question, and do they make us safer? How many guns that people have for protection do people actually use them. I feel bad for this country, because people will talk about bull# like video games and movies. Yet they won't see the big problem, a society thats totally about the individual and who feels like everyone is against them (hence the need for guns) Paranoia. Don't get me wrong he could have been just ape# crazy, but in the end we'll never know. We'll have the usually spiel to make this an isolated event and see that he was listening to Marilyn manson. I find it interesting though that people say that people can kill people with knives and their hands. That's funny, because you point out the obvious as a fact touting guns, when it does just the opposite. If he had tried to strangle his girlfriend and the R.A. it would have been a bit harder with just his hands, as they would have wrestled him away. I digress though, the point is there's issues beyond control. I like guns they're fun. It's doubtful that they make us safer. It's a heroic notion, yes It's very romantic as well, but I don't buy it. I live by Oakland, California and I hear about drive by's quite frequently, but I don't think having a hand gun would help. This guy is like many people who snap for some reason. It's like the question "Why are a vast majority of serial killers white, well to do, middle aged men?" This is a fact, if I can find the source I'll link it. What made them snap?

Anyways,
Take care

Originally posted by Spreadthetruth

Originally posted by SteveR

Originally posted by idunno1
wanusmaximus.livejournal.com...

wanusmaximus.livejournal.com...

Seen this on another forum.

That's the one. His blog also says he broke up with his girl friend recently, same thing is mentioned in the news story.

It is irresponsible to pick a Live Journal and say that the person therein is the culprit when we don't know. I admit that the Journal looks suspicious, but that's no reason to hang the person who made it until we have hard evidence.

look people a "GUN/WEAPON" has NEVER killed anyone ALL BY ITSELF!!!!!!!!!!! and it never will. The reason this county is going in a very bad direction is the Criminal Justice System. America has become VERY lax in its ideas and we feel more simpathy for criminals and their problems then we should. If we would actually PUNISH people and show we WILL NOT stand for this kind of behavior it would decline. Instead, we give them rehab, medication, let them talk to a shrink, etc etc which DOES NOTHING!!!!!

If the police did take a gunman into custody today, after killing over 30 people...they should have a needle in his arm by Friday.

And a perfect example of how america's justice system is making this county more violent: gunman kills over 30 at Virginia Tech, police capute gunman and proceed to take him into custody by kicking the *&$# out of him...what happens.....ACLU & other groups want the cops arrested, people scream police brutality, gunman sues and wins a cool million for being beat up...this country and its libs would be more concerned about the police beating than the fact the guy just killed 30 kids. Don't believe that..remember Jessica Lunsford...from florida...where a guy on camera was shown abducting her, then took her raped her and buried her alive but wouldnt tell the cops where she was...well a detective punched and kicked the suspect to make him talk...detective was fired, sued, and the ACLU said "his actions are sickening"...so instead of MAKING him talk..we let a 11 year old girl die...because libs want criminals to have rights too...

such a shame...my prayers for all the families who lost someone.....

I agree, about jumping on the blogger with issues, while the person looks suspicious, we should not use his name on ATS, as this is just suspicion.

On topic:

The second Virginia Tech press conference is set for 7:30PM EST

Let's see if there is any progress in the investigation