The Disclosure Project is looking for a Professional Publicist

Originally posted by timb3r

Originally posted by RichardLalancette

why would they film it

Because Dr Greer has put himself in the spotlight by publically heading up The Disclosure Project. I won't insult your intelligence explaining what basic premise of the project is.....suffice to say...

Do you see the irony in your statement yet?

Actually I've thought about this more.

Why would they film it? Good god man, can you believe what you just said? You have joined a group which is trying to prove the existence of extraterrestrials and there is a good chance we all share the common belief that this is a fact and yet with a statement like that you managed to remove the credibility of your opinions in 5 words.

The reason you film anything is to document it. To capture a moment in time. To prove something happened. To share with others what you saw and visually experienced. It's what the CSETI is about, it's supposed to a public voice, as Torsion quoted from their own website.

Either you are for disclosure or not? Which is it? You cannot support it and yet pay some money and then selectively share only a fraction of what is supposedly experienced/filmed (which are obviously bugs by the way!).

By proxy you become part of the machine you are trying to fight.





[edit on 20-4-2007 by timb3r]

Just a note to people wanting to read some of these threads.

If you identify a poster or two, who are trying to derail the thread with badgering tactics, you can put them on ignore. That will let you read the thread without all of the garbage mixed in.

It is a shame that some people are so negative towards this type of disclosure. At times it does seem hard to believe. That doesn't make it right to continue with the arguing. At times, it goes beyond debate, and that will get you ignored.

I hope Greer makes millions. That means people are listening to what he is trying to share.

Those of you who lash out with negativety, only make your selves look bad and create a negative attitude against ATS.

What is wrong with people? ET's and UFO's are fact, people, when will you wake up??????

[edit on 20-4-2007 by win 52]

Send someone on their training and get them to film. As simple as that.

When I went there, I care more about watching the sky and meditation than anything else. In fact, I didn't care so much about bringing anything back, because I was satisfied by the results. I didn't even have the gear anyway. Too expensive.

Never know, maybe on my next trip, I'll have a sponsor so I can afford cameras.

Originally posted by timb3r
and there is a good chance we all share the common belief that this is a fact

Whilst I'm probably on ignore with Win 52....

See, people who disagree with Greer are not debunkers, infact there is a good chance that if you bothered to fully read whats written, you'd understand that some of us also believe there is a chance that extraterrestrials are visiting earth or at least the very notion that something strange is happening in our skies.

Personally, I'm not doing this specifically under some stupid notion that I have an agenda. Other than I do not agree with what he does. ATS is a wonderful place where we have the luxury (not the right!) to debate this.

Anyway, no need for people to wake up. Unless you're paying $600 to spend a night on a mountain with Dr Greer.

[edit on 20-4-2007 by timb3r]

Originally posted by millerman


Who the hell do you think you are, that you can speak for "most people"?

MM - dude, calm down... I noticed that you made the same exact claims against me when I confronted you with this. What we are trying to convey to you is this: the majority wouldn't believe Greer because he brings spirituality into the mix and goes off in a completely different direction then the project should be heading. Yeah, go ahead - make some comment about what am I doing and make my own disclosure and who am I to speak for the majority of people reading this... too bad they won't speak up... come on lurkers... talk.

Most people in the world require some proof before believing in something - I mean, lets say I told you I have a bridge on the moon that I would sell you for $50 - will you send me $50?? (I got a paypal account - and with all the processing fees it should amount up to $250 - u2u me if interested!)

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by millerman


Who the hell do you think you are, that you can speak for "most people"?

MM - dude, calm down...

I'll calm down when people like tezzajw quit badgering me, calling my beliefs and statements "crap" and "garbage", putting me on the defensive trying to back me into a corner....

No one, and I mean NO ONE, backs me into a corner in real life, and it damn sure ain't going to happen over the internet!

Originally posted by millerman

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by millerman


Who the hell do you think you are, that you can speak for "most people"?

MM - dude, calm down...

I'll calm down when people like tezzajw quit badgering me, calling my beliefs and statements "crap" and "garbage", putting me on the defensive trying to back me into a corner....

No one, and I mean NO ONE, backs me into a corner in real life, and it damn sure ain't going to happen over the internet!

But dude, that's the point - its the internet... not reality. Just typed words - nothing more. No one can back anyone into a corner on the internet - its just that simple... words are words... sticks and stones man
We can all disagree on various points - like the sun not rising in the east but in the south and how stars are just poked holes in a blanket around a flat earth... just words.

I mean, I can go further and point out how Stevie Greer is actually working for an anti-human agenda for the aliens who are turning our planet into theirs by giving us the means of using fossil fuels to turn the earth towards their climate and Greer is behind it... Just words man...

Originally posted by millerman
There's lots of evidence you can find, but I'm not going to bother going and digging it all up again just to please YOU.
Why the hell should I?
Especially when I don't give a flying crap what YOU think?
Why the hell should I have to PROVE my every sentence, my every WORD, to YOU? Who do you think you are??
Who the hell do you think you are, that you can speak for "most people"?

millerman, when you constantly make claims that you can not verify, you have no credibility.

You make wonderfully, colourful claims about Greer, but you can't support them and you refuse to provide evidence.

You successfully back yourself into a corner by making the claims and refusing to support them.

Who am I? As I answered before, I'm tezzajw, killer of false logic and slayer of other idiotic internet claims.

When you constantly rant about unsubstantiated claims, I am allowed to constantly demand proof of those claims. Hey, I'm giving you the best chance to be taken seriously, but you avoid it entirely by not being able to support your claims.

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by millerman

I'll calm down when people like tezzajw quit badgering me, calling my beliefs and statements "crap" and "garbage", putting me on the defensive trying to back me into a corner....

No one, and I mean NO ONE, backs me into a corner in real life, and it damn sure ain't going to happen over the internet!

But dude, that's the point - its the internet... not reality. Just typed words - nothing more. No one can back anyone into a corner on the internet - its just that simple... words are words... sticks and stones man

Being told your views are GARBAGE is pretty strong words, don't you think? And that blatant abuse seems to keep slipping under the radar of the mods, so I might as well dish some out in return....

Originally posted by tezzajw

millerman, when you constantly make claims that you can not verify, you have no credibility.

To YOU perhaps, but I don't care what YOU think. I haven't seen you do ANY meaningful research or provide ANY useful information or do ANYTHING useful for disclosure, it seems all you want to do on here is harass, mock and discredit people continuously, so.... your behaviour speaks for itself. How much are you getting paid?

Deny it all you want, but the pattern of your behaviour speaks for itself.....

You make wonderfully, colourful claims about Greer, but you can't support them and you refuse to provide evidence.

I have provided plenty of evidence and reasons to believe that there is something more to Greer and CSETI than a giant 17-year lie/hoax. I also asked you some questions that, to this day, you STILL haven't answered.

How is it that CSETI has been going strong for 16, 17 years and has never been shut down?

Where are the hoardes of angry, disillusioned CSETI customers demanding their $$$ back and burying CSETI with lawsuits?

Why does Greer still have his license to practice medicine, if he has been perpetrating a hoax on the public?

Why is it all these dozens of credible government/military/intelligence/corporate witnesses and whistleblowers take him seriously, seriously enough to get involved with TDP and risk their lives and stand up in front of the world at the NPC media conference?

Why is it that Greer doesn't seem to care about proving himself, if his credibility has been so seriously compromised as you say? If he ruined his credibility with "Hidden Truth" etc, don't you think he'd be scrambling to re-prove himself to the world right now?

Why do you REFUSE to answer my questions, if you are so certain Greer is lying/hoaxing? If you know for a fact Greer is a fraud - PROVE IT. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!!

Your REFUSAL to answer my questions PROVES that you CAN'T PROVE that Greer is lying..... and since YOU CAN'T PROVE HE IS LYING, maybe he is telling the truth after all.....

Originally posted by millerman
I haven't seen you do ANY meaningful research or provide ANY useful information or do ANYTHING useful for disclosure,

Of course you haven't. You don't know me. You don't know what I have achieved. I don't come here online and make claims that I can not support about what I have done.

it seems all you want to do on here is harass, mock and discredit people continuously, so.... your behaviour speaks for itself. How much are you getting paid?

I want the truth, so too bad if asking people to prove wild claims is harrassment in your opinion. What am I getting paid for? What claims are you about to make up now about me getting paid?

Deny it all you want, but the pattern of your behaviour speaks for itself.....

Deny WHAT? You, along with others in this thread, make wild claims about Greer and his cult. None of you can prove anything, so they are just wild claims. Wow, my pattern of behaviour demands proof... so?

I have provided plenty of evidence and reasons to believe that there is something more to Greer and CSETI than a giant 17-year lie/hoax.

No, you haven't. If you did, I would have believed you and stopped asking for it.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
I haven't seen you do ANY meaningful research or provide ANY useful information or do ANYTHING useful for disclosure,

Of course you haven't. You don't know me. You don't know what I have achieved.

What HAVE you achieved, other than royally pissing me off?

it seems all you want to do on here is harass, mock and discredit people continuously, so.... your behaviour speaks for itself. How much are you getting paid?

I want the truth, so too bad if asking people to prove wild claims is harrassment in your opinion.

No, calling other people's posts and statements GARBAGE is harrassment.... which the mods don't seem to care about, so I'm left to defend myself, which is fine....

You, along with others in this thread, make wild claims about Greer and his cult. None of you can prove anything, so they are just wild claims.

Well guess what - YOU can't prove anything either! You keep saying Greer is a fraud - but YOU CAN'T PROVE IT.

AGAIN, just now, you REFUSED to answer ANY of my pertinent, intelligent questions. The fact that you REFUSE to answer my questions, shows that you can't back up your argument....

Originally posted by millerman
What HAVE you achieved, other than royally pissing me off?

What I have done for disclosure is not the topic of this thread. It's all about Greer, remember.

No, calling other people's posts and statements GARBAGE is harrassment.... which the mods don't seem to care about, so I'm left to defend myself, which is fine....

You made the claims that you could not support. They are garbage claims without any shred of verifiable evidence to support them. Note that I never called you garbage. Your opinions and claims about Greer are hardly worth anything, unless they can be verified.

Well guess what - YOU can't prove anything either! You keep saying Greer is a fraud - but YOU CAN'T PROVE IT.

Yes, I can prove Greer is a fraud. Here's how: Greer makes the claims that he can vector UFOs and that he can levitate. He can not verify those claims, so he is a fraud.

Greer also posts pictures on his CSETI website that supposedly show energy beings and other types of alien/UFO phenonema. In fact, what he posted was pictures of moths and other camera artifacts. That's fraudulent.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
What HAVE you achieved, other than royally pissing me off?

What I have done for disclosure is not the topic of this thread. It's all about Greer, remember.

LMAO! Great job evading the question, because you've done absolutely nothing!

No, calling other people's posts and statements GARBAGE is harrassment.... which the mods don't seem to care about, so I'm left to defend myself, which is fine....

You made the claims that you could not support. They are garbage claims without any shred of verifiable evidence to support them.

WRONG, and I have given you the evidence, many times. See my list of QUESTIONS that you REFUSE to answer, because you can't back up your argument!

Greer also posts pictures on his CSETI website that supposedly show energy beings and other types of alien/UFO phenonema. In fact, what he posted was pictures of moths and other camera artifacts. That's fraudulent.

How do you know for a fact that they are moths or insects? PROVE IT!

Originally posted by millerman
LMAO! Great job evading the question, because you've done absolutely nothing!

Again, millerman - what I have done for disclosure has no bearing on this thread. Stating that I have done nothing is a garbage claim, when you don't even know me. You have no idea who I am but you are prepared to state that I have done nothing for disclosure. That's brave, but at the same time, very silly.

WRONG, and I have given you the evidence, many times. See my list of QUESTIONS that you REFUSE to answer, because you can't back up your argument!

How can providing me with a list of QUESTIONS constitute evidence to support your claims???

How do you know for a fact that they are moths or insects? PROVE IT!

When a picture looks like moth, has antenna like a moth, has legs like a moth, has wings like a moth and is blurred from flying too close to the camera like a moth - it can be positively identified as a moth.

Why has it taken so long for them to come out with a book?

I thought Grier should have cashed in on this a long time ago. He should have done it after the press conference.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
LMAO! Great job evading the question, because you've done absolutely nothing!

Again, millerman - what I have done for disclosure has no bearing on this thread. Stating that I have done nothing is a garbage claim, when you don't even know me. You have no idea who I am but you are prepared to state that I have done nothing for disclosure. That's brave, but at the same time, very silly.

So, what HAVE you done then? Have you done ANYTHING other than harass, mock and discredit other members?

WRONG, and I have given you the evidence, many times. See my list of QUESTIONS that you REFUSE to answer, because you can't back up your argument!

How can providing me with a list of QUESTIONS constitute evidence to support your claims???

AGAIN you refuse to answer my questions, so, you lose tezzajw. Your refusal to answer my questions or refute my argument at all speaks volumes.

The simple fact is that not you or any of the other Greer naysayers can adequately answer my questions, and your only proof that Greer is lying is "Well if Greer could vector UFOs he'd at least post a video on Google or Youtube". Sorry but that's not nearly adequate proof, not even close.

Keep trying to put the onus on me all you want, but again your refusal to answer my questions speaks volumes. You lose.

How do you know for a fact that they are moths or insects? PROVE IT!

When a picture looks like moth, has antenna like a moth, has legs like a moth, has wings like a moth and is blurred from flying too close to the camera like a moth - it can be positively identified as a moth.

Since when do moths have a bright pinkish-white glow? What species of moth is THAT?

PROVE that that is a moth!

Originally posted by millerman
PROVE that that is a moth!

Here you go Millerman, I've tried to make it simple for you:




conclusion from above =MOTH

Note the serations on the lower wing - an expert lepidopterist will even identify the species for you.

right, but why is it glowing like that? I don't know anything about moths really, but do they usually glow like that?

How do we know it's a plain old ordinary Earth moth, and not a glowy moth-like intra-dimensional ET?

Originally posted by millerman
right, but why is it glowing like that? I don't know anything about moths really, but do they usually glow like that?

It isn't 'glowing'. The moth is in direct line of the camera flash and has therefore been lit up!

You have been deliberately distracted from the truth by the title that CSETI gave it - 'Light Being' - implying that the light emanates from the object. The light you see is a reflection of the camera flash.