The Disclosure Project is looking for a Professional Publicist

Originally posted by millerman


I hope you realize, this whole setup just exposes you guys as the ----- you are.....

Yeah, well - lets call a mod in here to see exactly WHAT is going on ok?



[edit on 4/22/2007 by kroms33]

Originally posted by millerman
I really want to prove levitation to you guys, but how am I supposed to do it if even VIDEO FOOTAGE isn't good enough proof? What manner of evidence can I POSSIBLY provide to you, over the internet, to prove levitation, if video footage isn't even good enough?

Well show us real footage of people levitating! Please, show us Greer levitating, he claimed that he could do it!

DON'T show us professional magicians pretending to levitate!

and people like tezzajw do a fantastic job of it, sitting back and mocking me and acting like I'm stupid and demanding that I prove things and then not accepting ANY level of evidence I provide.... Do you see? It's all a game. People like tezzajw contribute absolutely nothing useful at all, they just get off on making people jump through hoops for them and then treating them like they're stupid.

People like tezzajw act as filters. They demand proof for outlandish statements that people like Greer and millerman make. People like Greer and millerman who make outrageous statements should be scrutinised for all the claims that they make without proof.

If the claims that people like Greer and millerman make can stand up to the scrutiny, then they are able to pass through the filter of not being fake, forged or blatant lies.

Please stay true to the topic and avoid getting personal. This thread has been very contentious from early on and that needs to stop right here. Remember that Courtesy is mandatory

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Would a professional publicist for Greer have prevented him from publishing those fake pictures on his website?

I wonder?

Those pictures certainly speak volumes for the professional people that Greer surrounds himself with, especially those in the internet/marketing department.

Originally posted by masqua
Please stay true to the topic and avoid getting personal. This thread has been very contentious from early on and that needs to stop right here. Remember that Courtesy is mandatory

Masqua,

If you check the thread, tezzajw knew well in advance that the "levitators" being discussed were David Blaine and Criss Angel, who are well-known magicians. He evidently was too lazy to even type "David Blaine" or "Criss Angel" into Youtube or Google Video, so I was kind enough to do the searching FOR him and give him some good footage - and then he has the NERVE to start mocking and ridiculing me for posting footage of magicians, when HE was the one who demanded to see it in the first place?? When he knew FAR in advance that it was going to be footage of well-known magicians?

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Do you not see an injustice here? I certainly do......

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[edit on 23/4/07 by masqua]

Originally posted by millerman
If you check the thread, tezzajw knew well in advance that the "levitators" being discussed were David Blaine and Criss Angel

Well, millerman, when I asked for proof that Yogi, Bhuddists or Greer could levitate - the best that you could do was to show me some illusionists levitating. I asked for concrete proof that men could levitate and you showed me illusionists performing their faked stunts.

Hopefully, once Greer has found his new professional publicist, he will have better advice on how to market his UFO vectoring skills and levitations. The message just doesn't seem to sit well with the common man - and believe me, there are plenty of common men who read this thread.

Furthermore, the new professional publicist may also advise Greer to enter professional photography. His pictures of moths may interest botanists and other entomologists.

Originally posted by millerman
When he knew FAR in advance that it was going to be footage of well-known magicians?
......

How did he know this? Could it be because there is no footage of genuine levitation as opposed to illusionists pretending to levitate?

Note:

Either this thread stays on topic in a civil manner or it WILL be closed.

Originally posted by torsion
He was involved with these people prior to his claim that he could levitate and vector ufos. If he had told them that he could vector ufos at the beginning of Disclosure they would have walked, for sure! In fact, they would have told him that their help and testimony wasn't required - just get on with the vectoring...

I bet none of these high profile people dare admit to having been involved with Greer these days.

Check out the book 'Hidden', so you can see who wrote the forward to the book where he claims levitation and a whole bunch of other things.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
I really want to prove levitation to you guys, but how am I supposed to do it if even VIDEO FOOTAGE isn't good enough proof? What manner of evidence can I POSSIBLY provide to you, over the internet, to prove levitation, if video footage isn't even good enough?

Well show us real footage of people levitating!

What astounding, unbelievable ignorance!

Any footage I could possibly show you would just be immediately brushed off as a hoax or stunt or ILLUSION or magic trick, as was massively demonstrated with the five videos I did post!

Your complaint was that they were "professional ILLUSIONISTS" - well the guy in the fifth video wasn't! And he was brushed off just as fast as David Blaine and Criss Angel! "Oh he's just lifting himself up by pushing on a bar", what nonsense!

The fact is that you have a programmed, conditioned response, such that you automatically assume all such things are stunts or ILLUSIONS or magic tricks. You can't accept the possibility of levitation even when it's staring you right in the face. I could show you 1000 more videos and it wouldn't make a lick of difference.....

Please, show us Greer levitating, he claimed that he could do it!

Why on earth would Greer want to try to levitate on camera, when all that would happen is people would accuse him of performing a stunt or ILLUSION or "magic trick" and just mock and ridicule and belittle him all the more? He has better things to do with his time.....

DON'T show us professional magicians pretending to levitate!

Astounding, astounding ignorance.

The difference between someone "really" levitating, and someone "pretending" to levitate will be.... what, exactly?

The guy in the fifth video wasn't a professional magician, but I guess he was just "pretending to levitate" too?

Please explain to me what real levitation is going to look like, if the people in those five videos were just "pretending to levitate". I really want to find a video where someone is really levitating, but I don't know how to tell the difference between someone really levitating and someone "pretending to levitate"......

People like tezzajw act as filters. They demand proof for outlandish statements that people like Greer and millerman make. People like Greer and millerman who make outrageous statements should be scrutinised for all the claims that they make without proof.

People like tezzajw are thoroughly brainwashed. They are so completely programmed and conditioned to believe that all visually amazing things like levitation are hoaxes or ILLUSIONS or "magic tricks" that they can't even allow themselves to consider the POSSIBILITY that it might actually be real!

I really feel sorry for people like that who can only believe "safe" things, like what the TV tells them, and what the teacher at school tells them, and what the "scientific community" tells them.....

Originally posted by tezzajw

Well, millerman, when I asked for proof that Yogi, Bhuddists or Greer could levitate - the best that you could do was to show me some illusionists levitating. I asked for concrete proof that men could levitate and you showed me illusionists performing their faked stunts.

WRONG, I mentioned that I had seen David Blaine doing it, and YOU ASKED to see the footage, the proof is right here in the thread!! So you are full of it! Stop lying!

And the visual difference between "real men levitating" and "faked illusionist stunt levitating" is.... what, exactly?

The guy in the fifth video isn't a professional illusionist, why is his levitating "faked stunt levitating" and not "real man levitating"?

Originally posted by granny smith

Originally posted by millerman
When he knew FAR in advance that it was going to be footage of well-known magicians?
......

How did he know this? Could it be because there is no footage of genuine levitation as opposed to illusionists pretending to levitate?

Please explain how you know how to tell the difference between "genuine levitation" and people "pretending to levitate", as I am really curious to know!

Originally posted by kroms33

Nice going with the name calling - just shows what level of intelligence we are dealing with now - and we have PROOF.

We also have PROOF positive that certain posters have agendas to strategically and systematically badger, mock, ridicule and attempt to discredit other posters on a continuous, long-term basis....

As evidenced by the fact that I was asked to provide footage, I was kind enough to oblige and do some searching and provide the EXACT footage I was asked to provide - and then I get badgered, mocked and ridiculed immediately upon doing so!

It's a damn shame that the mods either don't see this sort of abuse happening, or don't care.... I get badgered and ridiculed for weeks on end, and then I receive warns for getting mad about it and fighting back???

All you are doing is trolling

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A TROLL!

Mods???

and playing games with people instead of having an actual discussion with people.

WHAT GAME am I playing? Other than being kind enough to provide people with the footage they ask for???

Originally posted by millerman
Why on earth would Greer want to try to levitate on camera, when all that would happen is people would accuse him of performing a stunt or ILLUSION or "magic trick" and just mock and ridicule and belittle him all the more? He has better things to do with his time.....

Perhaps, with a more professional publicist, Greer will be advised that he should levitate to an open, impromptu audience, to prove his claims.

If he can't, then he will need a professional publicist who can write a script that allows Greer an escape clause for him to use to negate his levitation claims. Perhaps a script that states that Greer vectored in an anti-lev-energy-anchor. With his anchored energy, he finds it difficult to rise, as the energy taps from his core, into the Earth. Any reasonable explanation, written by a professional publicist would suffice to allow Greer to escape responsibility for proving his claims.

I can see why TDP would need a professional publicist. Greer is staining his name with the claims that he is making (and not proving). A professional publicist, working with a limited budget and low salary, would be a last grasp attempt to try and generate some credibility.

millerman
I really feel sorry for people like that who can only believe "safe" things, like what the TV tells them, and what the teacher at school tells them, and what the "scientific community" tells them.....

I am a teacher at school, millerman. Now who should I believe? I can't believe Greer's claims, as he doesn't yet have a professional publicist who can help him prove his claims, nor advance his open effort to disclose UFO truth by freely disseminating all of his knowledge to the common man.

It all adds up why Greer does need a new publicist.

Originally posted by tezzajw

I can see why TDP would need a professional publicist. Greer is staining his name with the claims that he is making (and not proving). A professional publicist, working with a limited budget and low salary, would be a last grasp attempt to try and generate some credibility.

Except that he doesn't seem to be experiencing any credibility problems with high-profile people who matter, like governments, world leaders, military, former Canadian Ministers of Defense, famous astronauts, doctors, scientists etc....

As far as I can tell he isn't desperately scrambling to prove himself like you want him to be, and doesn't seem to care about proving himself, which indicates to me that he isn't experiencing any real credibility problems, even though you passionately want him to be.

Originally posted by millerman
Except that he doesn't seem to be experiencing any credibility problems with high-profile people who matter, like governments, world leaders, military, former Canadian Ministers of Defense, famous astronauts, doctors, scientists etc....

Greer's credibility to the common man is shot to pieces. Read this forum, millerman - he has few supporters here. Most common men on the street would not have a clue who he is.

He needs a new, professional publicist to reach the common man.

If governments and world leaders were really on-side with Greer's credibility, don't you think that by now we would have had disclosure? If Greer knows all of these high-profile people and they respect his credibility, then why has he still not managed to achieve disclosure?

Hopefully, his new, professional publicist will encourage Greer to levitate before all of these high-profile people. Maybe he can sway them to the alternate reality of UFOs and energy-anchor-moths and convince them to disclose all that they know about UFOs while he's floating a metre off the floor! He might even organise a campout (with the help of his publicist) for all of the high-profile to join him vectoring energy-anchors. They could all take jars with lids and capture their own energy-anchors if they tried hard enough.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
Except that he doesn't seem to be experiencing any credibility problems with high-profile people who matter, like governments, world leaders, military, former Canadian Ministers of Defense, famous astronauts, doctors, scientists etc....

Greer's credibility to the common man is shot to pieces. Read this forum, millerman - he has few supporters here. Most common men on the street would not have a clue who he is.

Common men on the street also have almost no real POWER to DO anything, unless, as I have said before, millions of us start striking and rioting and marching in the streets, "Give us free energy!!! End UFO secrecy!!!"

Greer is right to focus his efforts on people who matter, leaders, people who might actually have the power to do something. Sorry, but the opinions of people like you and kroms and torsion don't really matter in the grand scheme of things....

If governments and world leaders were really on-side with Greer's credibility, don't you think that by now we would have had disclosure? If Greer knows all of these high-profile people and they respect his credibility, then why has he still not managed to achieve disclosure?

Because the people who maintain the secrecy and suppress the technology are immensely wealthy and powerful, and they have very advanced technology and weapon systems at their command. Governments around the world are afraid to stand up to them. People like JFK and James Forrestal and Bill Colby tried, and............

BTW, have you not seen me explain this like 3 dozen times already? Why do you even bother asking?

Hopefully, his new, professional publicist will encourage Greer to levitate before all of these high-profile people. Maybe he can sway them to the alternate reality of UFOs and energy-anchor-moths and convince them to disclose all that they know about UFOs while he's floating a metre off the floor! He might even organise a campout (with the help of his publicist) for all of the high-profile to join him vectoring energy-anchors. They could all take jars with lids and capture their own energy-anchors if they tried hard enough.

Typical, you still have absolutely nothing with which to really attack Greer's huge cred with many high-profile people, like famous astronauts and former Canadian Ministers of Defense and doctors and lawyers and scientists, so you resort to sarcasm and mockery and ridicule.....

Originally posted by millerman
Common men on the street also have almost no real POWER to DO anything, unless, as I have said before, millions of us start striking and rioting and marching in the streets, "Give us free energy!!! End UFO secrecy!!!"

millerman, by hiring a professional publicist, Greer may learn that the man on the street does have power as an individual. Greer's new, professional publicist would hopefully try to help Greer reach the common man to start a grass-roots disclosure campaign.

Greer is right to focus his efforts on people who matter, leaders, people who might actually have the power to do something. Sorry, but the opinions of people like you and kroms and torsion don't really matter in the grand scheme of things....

The only opinions that don't matter are Greer's. Especially when he makes claims of levitating and vectoring UFOs - without proof. How could any world leader take the man seriously? Hopefully, by securing a professional publicist, this will be made clear to Greer.

Typical, you still have absolutely nothing with which to really attack Greer's huge cred with many high-profile people, like famous astronauts and former Canadian Ministers of Defense and doctors and lawyers and scientists, so you resort to sarcasm and mockery and ridicule.....

Not at all. Greer attacks his own credibility with the claims that he makes and the pictures that he displays on his website.

For his own sake, he better hire a great professional publicist who is adept at damage control. Unless he is chooses to hire a professional publicist who is also good at photography. The next time that a 100 foot mothership is vectored in, Greer's publicist could take some pictures and show us all.

Originally posted by millerman


Any footage I could possibly show you would just be immediately brushed off as a hoax or stunt or ILLUSION or magic trick, as was massively demonstrated with the five videos I did post!

So, in essence - what you are saying is that you actually believe that Blaine and Angel have mastered the technique of levitation using mind over matter?
Hmmm.

The fact is that you have a programmed, conditioned response, such that you automatically assume all such things are stunts or ILLUSIONS or magic tricks. You can't accept the possibility of levitation even when it's staring you right in the face. I could show you 1000 more videos and it wouldn't make a lick of difference.....

No, if you showed Greer levitating in a yoga position under meditation it would prove that perhaps he is on to something - but you didn't post anything of the sort - you posted well KNOWN ILLUSIONISTS, where the tricks they perform can be reproduced. This Illusion is called "The Balducci Levitation," and if you google it - you will realize it is not real levitation.

We want to see Greer levitating, and vectoring UFOs... (perhaps at the same time???)

Why on earth would Greer want to try to levitate on camera, when all that would happen is people would accuse him of performing a stunt or ILLUSION or "magic trick" and just mock and ridicule and belittle him all the more? He has better things to do with his time.....

Well, for one his prophet/profit status would achieve a higher goal and standard. Obviously Greer doesn't have anything better to do with his time since he claims he can do levitation and UFO vectoring. If someone makes a claim, they better back it up.

Astounding, astounding ignorance.

The difference between someone "really" levitating, and someone "pretending" to levitate will be.... what, exactly?

It sure is astounding - but not on OUR end. You have no clue what the difference is really??? Nice.
The difference would be using MIND OVER MATTER to achieve the goal of levitation then using your FOOT in an optical illusion.

The guy in the fifth video-----but I guess he was just "pretending to levitate" too?

Um, YES HE WAS, and EVEN SHOWS YOU HOW TO DO THE Balducci Levitation METHOD - ILLUSION!!! NOT REAL.

Please explain to me what real levitation is going to look like, if the people in those five videos were just "pretending to levitate". I really want to find a video where someone is really levitating, but I don't know how to tell the difference between someone really levitating and someone "pretending to levitate"......

Well, if you are claiming that perhaps this is Greers form of levitation (illusion), then he is in the wrong field - he should be an illusionist instead of claiming he can actually levitate. Is that what you are saying? Greer uses the Balducci Levitation Method???

People like tezzajw are thoroughly brainwashed. They are so completely programmed and conditioned to believe that all visually amazing things like levitation are hoaxes or ILLUSIONS or "magic tricks" that they can't even allow themselves to consider the POSSIBILITY that it might actually be real!

You NEED to stop with the personal attacks man. You are mixing fiction with reality based argumentation. You are all over the place - and it seems that you don't understand that there is the concept of MIND OVER MATTER and ILLUSION. PICK ONE. WHICH ONE DOES GREER USE? Mind over matter or ILLUSION.
NO WAY OUT OF IT, so PICK ONE.
And stop using crazy arguments with ILLUSIONISTS which are FAKE thus the TERM ILLUSION.

I really feel sorry for people like that who can only believe "safe" things, like what the TV tells them, and what the teacher at school tells them, and what the "scientific community" tells them.....

Hey, if you want to believe that illusions are real - then go right ahead, we won't stop you. Although - you have to understand: the illusionists never claim their illusions are real. Do you know the definition of ILLUSION?
Please don't tell me that you actually believe Copperfield, Blaine and Angel can actually levitate... even after that kid in the 5th video showed you the Balducci Levitation method... you gotta be kidding everyone here.

Originally posted by millerman

Common men on the street also have almost no real POWER to DO anything, unless, as I have said before, millions of us start striking and rioting and marching in the streets, "Give us free energy!!! End UFO secrecy!!!"

You actually don't even know now do you? Those millions of people would be murdered in the street, and the government would maintain control. Don't start spewing stuff you have no idea of... sorry, your little free energy riot would be crushed, even with 100 million people... you just don't understand.
The roots are to deep, and the control is tight. You live in the USA Millerman? Because I walk down the streets every day and see very very ignorant people - and that is how they are programmed - no common sense, and no sense of self. You think the USA wouldn't quell such a rebellion? Think again.

This is why Greer - who supposedly thinks he can vector ufos and levitate should show the world his capabilities... and YES he has the outlets - he just can't do what he claims.