The Disclosure Project is looking for a Professional Publicist

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
As I said, they make a public DISPLAY of going to church and "believing in God".

Yes, so? They go to church - they believe in god. Why would you want to deny this? Whether they do it in public or not, they still attend church.

SO WHAT?

Meanwhile there is evidence that many of these people high up in NWO have engaged in a lot of quite unspeakable evil. Besides starting wars and outright killing thousands if not millions of people, there's the hard drugs, pedophilia and child sex rings, MKULTRA mind control, satanic ritual abuse, and on and on and on......
And no, I don't feel like searching for all the links and evidence right now. Go research it yourself if you don't believe me.

No, I don't believe you, unless you show me some evidence. Nice try, millerman, but it's another totally unsubstantiated claim that you are making.

Nope, there is evidence for it. Go research it for yourself. Why should I redo all the research I've done in the past and post all kinds of links for YOU?

If you don't feel like you have evidence to support your claim, then don't make the claim.

There IS evidence to support the claim.

And YOU don't tell me what I can and can't talk about!

I don't have to prove a damn thing to you, buddy. Go and do some research for yourself, for a change, instead of sitting around demanding that everybody else do research and hand the evidence over to you. Who the hell do you think you are? You are NO ONE important pal.....

Yes, I'm making a distinction between active, genuine spirituality, and simply making a big public display of going to church or praying or donating $$$ or whatever. Also there's a big difference between active spirituality and merely following/spouting lots of religious dogma.
Real spirituality is not just about believing in and praying to God; it's also about living in harmony with nature and other people.

Wow, so you are accusing Bush, Blair, etc... of not being spiritual. Despite that fact that they think they are by attending church and praying to god. Well done. You're passing your judgement on other people, using your values of what spiritual SHOULD be.

Yep, because of the unspeakable evil they have committed. Merely making a public display of attending church does not make a person genuinely spiritual.

Again, millerman, these people are all religious. They attend church, they follow god, they have spiritual values for themselves.

How do you know they have spiritual values? PROVE IT!

Originally posted by millerman
Nope, there is evidence for it. Go research it for yourself. Why should I redo all the research I've done in the past and post all kinds of links for YOU?
There IS evidence to support the claim.

millerman, when you make a claim, you should support it with evidence, if you want to be taken seriously.
You have made many accusations about the NWO being implicit in sordid activities.
Then, you advise me to do my own research.
Then, you question me why you should do the research to support YOUR claims or why you should even post your research for me to read.
You really don't have a firm base to support your claims, they're as fluid as the words that you stutter over when you type them.

I don't have to prove a damn thing to you, buddy. Go and do some research for yourself, for a change, instead of sitting around demanding that everybody else do research and hand the evidence over to you.

You only have to prove something to me, if you want me (and most of the other people reading this thread) to take you seriously. Thankfully, most people won't consider your claims to be true, unless you can supply evidence to support them.

I don't need to do ANY research to validate the claims that you make. If you want them to be taken seriously, then you will supply all of the evidence that will convince me to believe you. You won't or can't, so your claims are full of crap.

Who the hell do you think you are? You are NO ONE important pal.....

I'm tezzajw, killer of false logic and slayer of other idiotic internet claims, and I am very important to me.

Your hightened spirituality of love and peace must be lacking to accuse me of being no one. Thanks for that - it shows how unenlightened you really are to willingly stomp on another person's spirit and degrade them for being no one important. I thought that spiritually aware people would value all life equally, without trying to rank and place people in order of importance. It's great that you want to put me down for challenging you to support your wild claims, it's brought out your true, caring nature.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Ok, c3hamby. Let's have another lesson in logic.

Ok, thank you, but now let's have a lesson in balance for you.

Everybody that you listed believed in God was violent.

Everbody that I listed wasn't.

So there.

Originally posted by c3hamby
Everybody that you listed believed in God was violent.
Everbody that I listed wasn't.

What is your point?

I stated that not everyone who believes in god is violent. My silly old aunty loves god. She's harmless!

millerman stated that we are more likely to be blown up by nukes launched by people who do not follow god. GARBAGE! There are plenty of god-following zealots on this planet who are warlords, with a history of dropping (conventional) bombs and who are ready to drop more bombs if required.

The only country in the world to ever use a hostile nuke was the USA, a god-following country as stated on the currency: "In god we trust" and also the National Anthem: "And this be our motto: In God is our trust".

We face far more danger from god-followers in control of weapons, than we do from non-god-followers!

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by c3hamby
Everybody that you listed believed in God was violent.
Everbody that I listed wasn't.

What is your point?

What do you mean what is my point? It's a discussion group!

Discuss!

So your Aunt believes in God? That's cool.

Does she have the contacts/interest to be a Professional Publicist for Dr Greer

[edit on 20-4-2007 by c3hamby]

Originally posted by torsion
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You also claimed that video camera's couldn't be used because they would be damaged by the 'electro magnetic waves' produced by the spacecraft, now you pretend it's the weather that will damage them!
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No matter the price my friend, even if it's only 20k, why would they film it, when what they really want to do is peaceful contact. I don't think they care much about filming all this, because there is already plenty of footage and pictures out there. Why would they waste the money on cameras, when what they care about is education. They educate people that wants to listen. I think it works great that way. No energy wasted.

And, what's an extra movie of an orb flying around anyway?
Some of those buggers are so fast, I couldn't even focus my camera to take a shot before it was gone.

Torsion, I have seen what I have seen. Do i have to provide with proof? No. I couldn't care less, plenty of that already out there. Am I going to invest is expensive cameras, so I can show some more pictures to sceptics? No. I couldn't care less. If you can't be convinced with what there is out there already, then I can't help you. Does CE-5 works? Yes, It does. I have experienced it for a week. With various results. Do I need to prove this to you? No. I couldn't care less.
What I wanted is proofs for myself. Not for other.

What I care about? I would like this world to wake up to the fact we are been visited and there is tech we could use. I would like for people to realise the shadow government too, so we can take action.

Do your homework sceptics. Nobody else will do it for you. And the only person that is missing out as we speak, is yourself



[edit on 20-4-2007 by RichardLalancette]

Originally posted by c3hamby
I would not waste money risking a good camera simply to post a video on ATS or youtube.

Who said anything about posting videos on the Internet? If anyone filmed a genuine, irrefutable extraterrestrial spaceship the video footage would be worth a small fortune.

That would not a worldwide disclosure make.

Of course it would. Every tv network would want to air it and make documentaries about it. It would be on the front of every newspaper in the world. Have you any idea how much money Ray Santilli made from his fraudulent autopsy video? Think how much more the real thing would be worth!

It totally makes since to me to be spending disclosure efforts towards people that matter, that would make a difference.

But as several people have already stated here, Disclosure/CSETI is disclosing nothing -only asking for money. The only people that matter to CSETI are those who are naive enough to hand over their cash.

Thinking about it, Ray Santilli may make the ideal publicist for Disclosure. He's proven his ability to deceive, he knows how to make money, and he is morally bankrupt... perfect!

Let me reiterate this.
CSETI is an ambassadorial organization.
They do not work to film and picture stuff.
They are an organization that attempts to interact with ETs, for a peaceful contact.
Do they have to provide you with more proof? No, I don't even think CSETI cares much for that. That's not what the organisation is about.
You want more pictures? Go for it, head outside with a group and skywatch and get your gear ready.

If you want to film what they do seriously, contact them to take arrangement.

Now, maybe this will stop the camera film debate.

Torsion, you are wrong.
Many stations were offered to do something with Steven Greer. The funding was pulled. What they care about is footage to be able to put their own story on it.
That's BS.
Media is too biased, they want to go with their own rules, which doesn't please Dr. Greer, with reason.

Originally posted by RichardLalancette
Many stations were offered to do something with Steven Greer. The funding was pulled.

Can you go into more detail about this?
What exactly were the stations offered and which stations were they? What was the 'funding' that was pulled - was Greer asking for money again?
Was Greer acting on behalf of Disclosure of CSETI at the time?

Media is too biased, they want to go with their own rules, which doesn't please Dr. Greer, with reason.

Of course they aren't going to give anyone free reign over any program they make - they generally work together and come to some compromise. However, if Greer was genuine he would have nothing to fear - the truth would come out. And perhaps that is what he feared most...

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by RichardLalancette
Many stations were offered to do something with Steven Greer. The funding was pulled.

Can you go into more detail about this?
What exactly were the stations offered and which stations were they? What was the 'funding' that was pulled - was Greer asking for money again?
Was Greer acting on behalf of Disclosure of CSETI at the time?

Media is too biased, they want to go with their own rules, which doesn't please Dr. Greer, with reason.

Of course they aren't going to give anyone free reign over any program they make - they generally work together and come to some compromise. However, if Greer was genuine he would have nothing to fear - the truth would come out. And perhaps that is what he feared most...

No he didn't ask for funding.

He asked CBS news to go on a CSETI event, Mexico I believe.

Camera crew and everything. The only thing that Dr Greer asked CBS news to do was to allow Dr Greer to have the film from the event, this was agreed to in contract.

Turns out they had a major sighting that freaked out the cameraman and the correspondent. They did get good footage.

CBS refused to air it. When Dr Greer talked to Exec Director Kathleen Kennedy to get the agreed upon footage, Kennedy refused said 'We have more money and better lawyers.'

Originally posted by RichardLalancette
Let me reiterate this.
CSETI is an ambassadorial organization.
They do not work to film and picture stuff.
They are an organization that attempts to interact with ETs, for a peaceful contact.
Do they have to provide you with more proof? No, I don't even think CSETI cares much for that. That's not what the organisation is about.

You're making no sense again. Surely the raison d'etre of CSETI/Disclosure is to provide the public with proof! Isn't that what they need all the money for? To disclose the truth? Yet you say they don't care about providing proof!

This is what they say on their website:
In addition to the investigation and analysis of credible ETI/ETS reports, CSETI is committed to the thoughtful long-term development of bilateral ETI-Human communication and exchange, and open public education on the subject.

I have underlined 'open public education on the subject' just to draw your attention to it. It doesn't say, 'we don't care about providing proof to the public.'

They also state:

The existence and authentication of top secret documents confirming the retrieval of crashed ETs and their occupants, the numerous photographs and films showing ETS, the reports of thousands of credible civilian and military observers, and the presence of associated landing all provide compelling evidence for the ongoing contact between ETI and Humans.

This implies, again contrary to your claims, that they are interested in video footage. They want the government to disclose photos and videos CSETI think they may possess, but CSETI won't disclose or shoot their own film!

Originally posted by c3hamby
[Greer] asked CBS news to go on a CSETI event, Mexico I believe.
Camera crew and everything. The only thing that Dr Greer asked CBS news to do was to allow Dr Greer to have the film from the event, this was agreed to in contract.
Turns out they had a major sighting that freaked out the cameraman and the correspondent. They did get good footage.
CBS refused to air it. When Dr Greer talked to Exec Director Kathleen Kennedy to get the agreed upon footage, Kennedy refused said 'We have more money and better lawyers.'

This is clearly CSETI's side of the story.

Has anyone seen/read CBS's take on this same event?

This would give us a more balanced view of what really occured.

Originally posted by torsion
I have underlined 'open public education on the subject' just to draw your attention to it. It doesn't say, 'we don't care about providing proof to the public.'

Yes, you are right. It doesn't state 'we don't care about providing proof to the public.'

However, the main focus of CSETI is ambassadorial. Generally, videotaping an amabassadorial event is a bit disrespectful. If videotaping serves the ambassadorial attempt, then so be it.

It's kind of like going out on a date with a beautiful woman and having a camera on your head.

Do you want to get to know the woman or are you just trying to prove to your friends that you went out with a beautiful woman?

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by c3hamby
[Greer] asked CBS news to go on a CSETI event, Mexico I believe.
Camera crew and everything. The only thing that Dr Greer asked CBS news to do was to allow Dr Greer to have the film from the event, this was agreed to in contract.
Turns out they had a major sighting that freaked out the cameraman and the correspondent. They did get good footage.
CBS refused to air it. When Dr Greer talked to Exec Director Kathleen Kennedy to get the agreed upon footage, Kennedy refused said 'We have more money and better lawyers.'

This is clearly CSETI's side of the story.

Has anyone seen/read CBS's take on this same event?

This would give us a more balanced view of what really occured.

Then why did you ask for the story in the first place? Who's side did you think you were going to get?

If CBS was talking then we would all be having a different conversation right now.

Originally posted by torsion
You're making no sense again. Surely the raison d'etre of CSETI/Disclosure is to provide the public with proof! Isn't that what they need all the money for? To disclose the truth? Yet you say they don't care about providing proof!

Read again.
CSETI Exist to establish an ambassadorial relation with ETs.
Not to prove ET exist.

DP is taking care to bring the witness that can prove ET exist.
2 Organisations, 2 goals.

There is NOWHERE on their website, where they say, they will give you footage of ET craft.
When I paid my training, I was going knowing that I could potentially see nothing. I was willing to do this because, i wanted to know more about their methods. The internet as the only source of information was not enough.

I was satisfied cause it worked very nicely. If you dislike the tag price and you don't want to support CSETI, well for crying out loud, don't go. Someone else will go because they care.

Where does it Say I speak for CSETI?
I'm not one of the employee even.
I speak for myself.
And yes, I care more about making peaceful contact than proving they exist.
The DP does that already well enough.

[edit on 20-4-2007 by RichardLalancette]

Originally posted by torsion

This is clearly CSETI's side of the story.

Has anyone seen/read CBS's take on this same event?

This would give us a more balanced view of what really occured.

This is what happened, she said, we have better lawyers and more money, so we do what we want with it. Simply put. And this kind of garbage happens, over and over, and OVER.

They could make one heck of a nice movie with all this, but nobody to fund it and promote it, at least not as well as any other stupid movies like independence day, mars attack and war of the worlds. Most ET movies these days are brainwashing, militaristic junk. It's really getting old and boring. I don't even bother watching them anymore.

Originally posted by c3hamby

Yes, you are right. It doesn't state 'we don't care about providing proof to the public.'

However, the main focus of CSETI is ambassadorial. Generally, videotaping an amabassadorial event is a bit disrespectful. If videotaping serves the ambassadorial attempt, then so be it.

It's kind of like going out on a date with a beautiful woman and having a camera on your head.

Do you want to get to know the woman or are you just trying to prove to your friends that you went out with a beautiful woman?

EXACTLY!
That's what I mean. People can't conceive there is contact happening, so they can't get in the right state of mind. How to behave in case of contact etc.

I mean, if i was on my craft, visiting another planet, I would certainly question people if all they cared is to picture me, or shoot me down

Originally posted by RichardLalancette

why would they film it

Because Dr Greer has put himself in the spotlight by publically heading up The Disclosure Project. I won't insult your intelligence explaining what basic premise of the project is.....suffice to say...

Do you see the irony in your statement yet?

Originally posted by tezzajw

millerman, when you make a claim, you should support it with evidence, if you want to be taken seriously.
You have made many accusations about the NWO being implicit in sordid activities.
Then, you advise me to do my own research.
Then, you question me why you should do the research to support YOUR claims or why you should even post your research for me to read.
You really don't have a firm base to support your claims, they're as fluid as the words that you stutter over when you type them.

There's lots of evidence you can find, but I'm not going to bother going and digging it all up again just to please YOU.

Why the hell should I?

Especially when I don't give a flying crap what YOU think?

You have made it pretty clear by your behaviour that you're not here to seek the truth and learn and engage in earnest discussion with other members....

You are here to make people who post in support of people like Greer feel as unwelcome as you possibly can by means of CONSTANT CONSTANT attacks, challenges, ridicule etc.... (deny it all you want, your behaviour speaks for itself)

Why the hell should I have to PROVE my every sentence, my every WORD, to YOU? Who do you think you are??

I don't have to prove a damn thing to you, buddy. Go and do some research for yourself, for a change, instead of sitting around demanding that everybody else do research and hand the evidence over to you.

You only have to prove something to me, if you want me (and most of the other people reading this thread) to take you seriously.

The other people reading this thread can think and decide for themselves, they don't need YOU to speak for them. YOU only speak for YOURSELF, and that's not saying very much.................

Thankfully, most people won't consider your claims to be true, unless you can supply evidence to support them.

Who the hell do you think you are, that you can speak for "most people"?

I don't need to do ANY research to validate the claims that you make. If you want them to be taken seriously, then you will supply all of the evidence that will convince me to believe you. You won't or can't, so your claims are full of crap.

So is your skull, buddy.