The Disclosure Project is looking for a Professional Publicist

Originally posted by tezzajw

However, he can't vector in UFOs, which he claims he can.

He also can't levitate, which he claims he can.

Just because he doesn't read these forums, and he doesn't cater to you and your little demands, doesn't necessarily mean that he can't do these things.

I do actually think it was kind of silly for him to start talking about levitating; he should have just kept quiet about that.

As for vectoring UFOs.... he claims that it was what he was doing with CSETI in the early 90s that attracted the attention of all these hundreds of government/military/intelligence/corporate people in the covert world, which was what eventually led to TDP and the NPC conference.

So if CSETI is just one big lie, and he can't really vector in UFOs - then how is it that he, a medical doctor of all people, made all these hundreds of contacts in the covert world and came up with the army of whistleblowers for TDP?

Where are the hoardes of angry, disillusioned CSETI customers demanding their money back and burying CSETI under a tonne of lawsuits? Why is it that CSETI is still going strong after more than 15 years? Why does Greer still have his license to practice medicine?

Please answer my questions, tezzajw..... because if you don't, it will look like YOU HAVE NO PROOF that Greer is a fraud, and maybe he is credible after all....

[edit on 15-4-2007 by millerman]

Originally posted by millerman
Please answer my questions, tezzajw..... because if you don't, it will look like YOU HAVE NO PROOF that Greer is a fraud, and maybe he is credible after all....

Not at all, millerman.

Greer claims that he can vector in UFOs. He has not proven it, so he can't.

Until such time that he can prove it, he can't do it.

Proving it would require that he can do it more than once, in the presence of any number of people, all of whom can verify the experience.

Greer has not done that, so he can't do it. He lies about vectoring UFOs.

Originally posted by millerman
Come off it!

Greer and TDP have released loads of pertinent information to the public....

Yeah, he has - but then he has Mr. 58 species "The Crash Retrieval Commando" without any documentation to back his claims... and then, we have the matter of CSETI and SEAPOWER... where Greer and his buddies who pay well can vector in unidentified alien craft from beyond... hmmm none of this seems the slightest bit strange to you? You just take it as truth?

What about the impertinent information he has gone wild with?

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by millerman
Come off it!

Greer and TDP have released loads of pertinent information to the public....

Yeah, he has - but then he has Mr. 58 species "The Crash Retrieval Commando" without any documentation to back his claims... and then, we have the matter of CSETI and SEAPOWER... where Greer and his buddies who pay well can vector in unidentified alien craft from beyond... hmmm none of this seems the slightest bit strange to you? You just take it as truth?

What about the impertinent information he has gone wild with?

I don't understand who you are talking about 'Mr 58 Species'. Are you talking about Clifford Stone? If anyone knows about that, it would be Stone, but he hasn't publicly come out with that info himself, unless it's in his book UFOs Are Real.

I don't understand why you are looking for documentation. There is quite a bit of documentation in the book and on the website.

Them there anti-gravity books that you depend on for your information aren't documented either with any facts or tests, though some of them may be.

The other thing...who would be crazy enough to make these wild claims like that which Dr Greer makes if he didn't think he would be proven right or wrong eventually?

Why does he have this big debt of proof to you?

Dr Greer has provided an open disclosure event by credible military witnesses. I was not deceived by him in this. He actually did it.

You nor anyone else on this site have been able to offer any proof that Dr Greer is pulling the wool over the public's eyes other than:

1 He mixed new age stuff in with his material and a new age conference, thus destroying his credibility. (albeit in the poster's opinion)

2. He overstated his meeting with Woolsey.(CSETI coordinator Debbie has confirmed a fed ex in Woolsey's hand as a paper trail confirming the real purpose of the dinner party, and Dr Greer has confirmed this in print in Hidden, and he continues to recount the story. No lawsuit of libel or anything has yet to be filed against Dr Greer.).

3. He charges too much for CSETI events and he makes an exhorbitant amount of money as a ufologist. (I guess that depends on how much money would be compared with how much someone brings home. Probably being a ufologist would bring home more money than flipping burgers but not more than the Directory of an Emergency Room Department.)

4. A wondering if the publicist will be on salary.

A glance over at the posting on the dp website reveals this, italics mine:

External Source

• Needed immediately Professional Publicist to get the Disclosure Project in front of major news media at this crucial time as the French are releasing their space agency documents. [italics]Very limited budget. [/italics] We will write the releases, but need someone with connections to get them out.

So, they are trying to beat the bushes, but for all the money that you guys insist they have they are not setting the expectation of a princely salary, nor does it appear that anyone has responded either since the job requirement is still posted....

5. An accusation that Dr Greer is running a cult, and is comparable to Heaven's Gate and others.

Hmm. That's an interesting one.

However, in reading the book it might be interesting to note that he is a Sufi, and his 'cult' probably would be represent a conflict of interest with Sufiism. For all the name dropping he does, he does minimize his own self in his writings. There is nothing that anyone can join. In fact, it's very difficult to get on the inside of the dp, even just to volunteer, they are very picky who they let in.

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by millerman
Come off it!

Greer and TDP have released loads of pertinent information to the public....

Yeah, he has - but then he has Mr. 58 species "The Crash Retrieval Commando" without any documentation to back his claims... and then, we have the matter of CSETI and SEAPOWER... where Greer and his buddies who pay well can vector in unidentified alien craft from beyond... hmmm none of this seems the slightest bit strange to you? You just take it as truth?

What about the impertinent information he has gone wild with?

seapower is a business to attempt to identify and get extant technologies to market. it is not for vectoring ETs.

that would be CSETI.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
Please answer my questions, tezzajw..... because if you don't, it will look like YOU HAVE NO PROOF that Greer is a fraud, and maybe he is credible after all....

Not at all, millerman.

Greer claims that he can vector in UFOs. He has not proven it, so he can't.

Until such time that he can prove it, he can't do it.

Proving it would require that he can do it more than once, in the presence of any number of people, all of whom can verify the experience.

Greer has not done that, so he can't do it. He lies about vectoring UFOs.

The fact that I posed some intelligent, well-reasoned and pertinent questions to you, and you didn't even TRY to answer them but just resorted to your exact same old tired argument, speaks volumes about you.....

HOW IS IT that CSETI has been going strong for over 15 years, if it is all one giant lie? WHERE are the hoardes of angry disillusioned customers demanding their $$$ back and burying CSETI with lawsuits? WHY does Greer still have his license to practice medicine if he is perpetrating a hoax on the public? Answer my questions tezzajw!

See, maybe Greer HAS proven himself, to hundreds if not THOUSANDS of people, around the world - he just hasn't proven himself to YOU, for FREE.

Just because YOU make demands of him on the internet, on a forum he doesn't even read... just because YOU demand that he camp out outside a TV station with hundreds of people and vector UFOs continuously for YOU, and he doesn't do it - that doesn't mean that he hasn't proven himself!

You say that Greer has no credibility and needs to prove himself.... well it seems to me that if Greer were having credibility problems, he'd be out there desperately trying to prove himself like you demand - but GUESS WHAT - HE'S NOT!!!

Greer just keeps doing whatever he wants, and pays absolutely no attention to people like you, so evidently HE ISN'T EXPERIENCING ANY CREDIBILITY PROBLEMS AT ALL! If he were, he'd stop making fantastic unprovable claims and talking about "New Age" concepts, don't you think?

Originally posted by c3hamby

I don't understand who you are talking about 'Mr 58 Species'. Are you talking about Clifford Stone? If anyone knows about that, it would be Stone, but he hasn't publicly come out with that info himself, unless it's in his book UFOs Are Real.

Yes, I was making a funny... Clifford Stone did come out and publicly state at the National Press Club Press conference that there were 58 species of aliens visiting the earth, and that he was part of a crash retrieval team that collected the debris, and in some cases alien bodies.

I don't understand why you are looking for documentation. There is quite a bit of documentation in the book and on the website.

About 58 species visiting the earth that is an actual FOIA document? I don't think there is any FOIA documents that contain anything about alien bodies and crash retrieval teams... because if there was: we would have our disclosure.

Them there anti-gravity books that you depend on for your information aren't documented either with any facts or tests, though some of them may be.

Really, that kind of stinks - because most of them were written by the leading edge scientists of the field - and professors who actually teach classes on the subject...

The other thing...who would be crazy enough to make these wild claims like that which Dr Greer makes if he didn't think he would be proven right or wrong eventually?

No, not crazy - money hungry...

Why does he have this big debt of proof to you?

No, not to me - to the world. You see - if you get up in public and tell everyone that you can vector in UFOs and a buddy of yours was on a crash retrieval team that knows there are 58 species of aliens and that the government is giving him, his wife, and his dog cancer - would you accept it at face value and give him the benefit of the doubt and believe it all; or would you want some proof? Sorry, I want some proof, why is that so evil of me to ask for? I mean, seriously c3hamby - I respect you - but if I told you I was on the moon and purchased some property from the Secret Government and printed up a deed for land in the Sea of Tranquility that had a nice bridge on it - would you believe me? or would you want some proof?

Dr Greer has provided an open disclosure event by credible military witnesses. I was not deceived by him in this. He actually did it.

Right - the only witness that I don't believe are Stone so far. Greer did put it out for the public to take in... my major concern is, why didn't he just start out with people that the media could truly believe such as radar operators and various military personnel with the FOIA documents backing them. My suspicions arouse when I noticed Stone talking to the media. In the NPC video, you can tell - not one media representative believes a word he is saying - so he pretty much trashed everything Greer was working for, reminding me of the good 'ol days of disinformation campaigns... and Greer - let him do this.

You nor anyone else on this site have been able to offer any proof that Dr Greer is pulling the wool over the public's eyes other than:

Nor has anyone else proved the contrary. No one can explain why Greer - who claims to vector in UFOs like the prophet Yahweh won't do it in public.
Greer isn't forthcoming with his financial records - since he is operating 3 non-profit organizations. Sometimes - it just looks like a disinformation campaign to discredit any and all witnesses involved.

So, they are trying to beat the bushes, but for all the money that you guys insist they have they are not setting the expectation of a princely salary, nor does it appear that anyone has responded either since the job requirement is still posted....

As for Greer not having money - I did some research. It turns out his wife is 'old country' southern rich... Go figure. Also, it takes a lot of money just to get to med school - he comes from money also.

For all the name dropping he does, he does minimize his own self in his writings. There is nothing that anyone can join. In fact, it's very difficult to get on the inside of the dp, even just to volunteer, they are very picky who they let in.

You can become a member of CSETI by paying them money.
www.cseti.org...

You can volunteer for TDP also:
www.disclosureproject.org...

So... not tooooo picky if you have a big wallet.

Originally posted by millerman
See, maybe Greer HAS proven himself, to hundreds if not THOUSANDS of people, around the world - he just hasn't proven himself to YOU, for FREE.

No, Greer has not proven that he can vector in UFOs. If he was capable of doing so, then I would know about it, as I could reference it free of charge to verify his claim.

Where can I reference undeniable evidence that Greer has vectored in UFOs?

Prophet Yaweh does a better job at vectoring UFOs than Greer (even if he is a fake) because he films it and posts it on the internet!

If Greer makes the claim that he can vector in UFOs, then why doesn't he do it, film it, post it and prove it?

Originally posted by millerman
See, maybe Greer HAS proven himself, to hundreds if not THOUSANDS of people, around the world - he just hasn't proven himself to YOU, for FREE.

I know you are in a hot debate with Tezzajw about all this... but I just found out some pretty interesting stuff. I think (this is an assumtion) that if a person goes on a CSETI UFO vectoring competitive outing - that, you can start your own CSETI cell and make some money off of it... I assume this, because I have come across some very strange information that just supports people making $$$ off of the UFO enigma instead of wanting true disclosure.

A member by the name of Tock used to reside here, according to his web blog he got into UFOs not to long ago (early 2006), and then proceeded to go to a CSETI UFO Masters of the Universe vectoring party with Greer and pals.

Ok, for a person who is very new to this subject (Tock) - do you think they should be charging $10 a person for a public lecture about UFOs and ETs, and using the CSETI name and logo? Perhaps some of you people who follow Greer should alert him to this, or find out if it is OK to start CSETI cells and make money off of others....

Don't think its true?
ottawa.kijiji.ca...

Richard Lalancette is Tock. The worst kind of Ufologist is one who wants to make a profit instead of getting the truth out to the world... and he has only been looking into this subject for less then a year... how incredible. How many other people are being set up by CSETI to make money off of their name? Do they get a cut of the profit?
Interesting indeed.

(sorry - edit for broken pic link removal)

[edit on 4/16/2007 by kroms33]

Originally posted by kroms33
I know you are in a hot debate with Tezzajw about all this...

It's hardly a debate, mate. If people want to swallow everything that Greer states, without proof, then let them.

I just keep on coming back to the same question, why does he claim that he can vector in UFOs, if he won't prove it?

Everything else that Greer states or does is tainted by his inability to vector in UFOs. At least they're colourful lies.

I gave a free lecture, didn't charge any money to the host nor the audience.

Vinko totic had to cover advertising and room location fees, hence the 10$.

I didn't make a single penny on that, in fact, It cost me around 125$ to do all this, due to my own posters and advertising.

My lecture will stay free, unless I lose my job and I have to make a living out of this, it will always free. All I'm asking is that my transportation been covered if I have to travel far to do it.

I have no affiliation with CSETI or Disclosure Project. I like what they do, so I promote it freely, as many other people. We believe in the work the CSETI and DP team is doing, we believe in the testimony, we believe they have solid evidence.

How have you been assisting in Disclosure Krom?



[edit on 17-4-2007 by RichardLalancette]

As for making a CE-5 protocol in public, forget it.
Way too dangerous, for both the team and the craft.
You obviously have a very limited knowledge of the counter-measures the military have for this kind of scenario, Showing me that you haven't read any of the documentation Steven Greer has put out for you...

Does that mean, you are making comment, without having the background knowledge?... interesting...

Seas power is not a NPO.
DP and CSETI are NPO.

I would love to see you take the lead and start such an organisation, and see how long you would last without selling books and offering workshops...

Originally posted by tezzajw
It's hardly a debate, mate. If people want to swallow everything that Greer states, without proof, then let them.
I just keep on coming back to the same question, why does he claim that he can vector in UFOs, if he won't prove it?
Everything else that Greer states or does is tainted by his inability to vector in UFOs. At least they're colourful lies.

I had the proofs I needed, now if you are not willing to do your homework, that's your problem, not ours. Stop blaming Steven Greer for your shortcoming.

Doing the CE-5 in remote locations is safer for both parties, and I approve this practice. In fact, if i had to do such protocols, I would do exactly the same thing. Nobody to bother you, find a quiet spot and do it. Makes totally sense.

I have good connections and even worked for some major Bulgarian newspapers and magazines. Send me an U2U if you are interested

Originally posted by RichardLalancette
Stop blaming Steven Greer for your shortcoming.

No, I'll just keep on blaming Greer for his OWN shortcoming. Claiming to vector in UFOs and not being able to prove it is LAME.

Doing the CE-5 in remote locations is safer for both parties, and I approve this practice. In fact, if i had to do such protocols, I would do exactly the same thing. Nobody to bother you, find a quiet spot and do it. Makes totally sense.

Fine! Do it in a remote location, but let thousands of witnesses drive there to view it with their own eyes, cameras, videos, etc!

What proof do you have that the military have effective counter-measures against UFOs being vectored?

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
See, maybe Greer HAS proven himself, to hundreds if not THOUSANDS of people, around the world - he just hasn't proven himself to YOU, for FREE.

No, Greer has not proven that he can vector in UFOs. If he was capable of doing so, then I would know about it, as I could reference it free of charge to verify his claim.

No, your logic is flawed here.

Just because the powers that be haven't put footage of it on TV, and there aren't readily available videos of it online, does NOT prove that these CE-5 events have not happened! You are excluding the possibility that CE-5s HAVE happened - but for whatever reason, convincing video footage of it isn't available online.

And as I have already pointed out, there's plenty of evidence that there IS something more to CSETI than just being a giant lie/hoax. The fact that they've been going strong for 15 years and haven't been shut down or buried with lawsuits. The fact that Greer still has his license to practice medicine. And the fact that the 2001 NPC Disclosure conference happened.

If Greer had been busy lying to the world about vectoring in UFOs for 11 years, then what the hell was he - an obscure country medical doctor - doing leading the NPC conference and championing the battle for Disclosure?

Like it or not, the NPC conference demonstrates that he has HUGE credibility....

Where can I reference undeniable evidence that Greer has vectored in UFOs?

Prophet Yaweh does a better job at vectoring UFOs than Greer (even if he is a fake) because he films it and posts it on the internet!

If Greer makes the claim that he can vector in UFOs, then why doesn't he do it, film it, post it and prove it?

A while ago there was actually an early CSETI video posted on here, which showed them doing the CE-5 protocol, and a UFO did show up - although it was barely more than a glowing, hovering dot in the sky.

I have wondered myself if CSETI has better footage than that, like UFOs coming in much much closer, and if so, why they haven't posted it online.... however just because they haven't posted really convincing footage does NOT mean they are lying.

Maybe if we pester CSETI enough, they'll give us a definitive answer on that.....

Originally posted by RichardLalancette
I gave a free lecture, didn't charge any money to the host nor the audience.

Vinko totic had to cover advertising and room location fees, hence the 10$.

I didn't make a single penny on that, in fact, It cost me around 125$ to do all this, due to my own posters and advertising.

My lecture will stay free, unless I lose my job and I have to make a living out of this, it will always free. All I'm asking is that my transportation been covered if I have to travel far to do it.

I have no affiliation with CSETI or Disclosure Project. I like what they do, so I promote it freely, as many other people. We believe in the work the CSETI and DP team is doing, we believe in the testimony, we believe they have solid evidence.

How have you been assisting in Disclosure Krom?

Ok, ok - so you have out of pocket costs - and some guy (Vinko) is charging people to hear you speak on the subject of UFOs... but my question is: Since you are relatively new to this field of research - what makes you qualified to speak and have some guy promote you and charge money? It doesn't make any sense. I mean, that would be like charging money to see a Steven Hawkings lecture and all that shows up is his voice box.
If you have no affiliation with TDP or CSETI - then legally you could be sued for using their name under the false pretense of steering to believe that you are part of those organizations. You can't just slap CSETI's name on your stuff and charge money... even though you claim you are not any part of that group. I am SURE that is illegal in your country.

So, now that you know everything about UFOs because you have attended Greers UFO summoning party - won't you vector in some UFOs over Canada and film them and get tons of people together for free to attest to the truthfulness of the events? I mean, now you are an ambassador to the universe right? Start using your political alien pull... vector them suckers in.
Also, I noticed your last user name Tock was banned - how is it that you can post to these boards: is it OK with the powers that be?

What have I done for disclosure... hmm, didn't I answer that one for you a while ago - I have done tons, but I am not going to keep rehashing old topics. Oh, or are you referring to my status as some MIC super disinfo agent? hmmm well as of right now I am a level 3 super duper disinfo agent.

You guys made your point about 30 pages ago.

I don't see anything new in what you are saying as being the answer.

If you think it is for the money, here is a news flash.....Nobody works for free, and it takes money to even go 5 miles today.

People are so quick to judge other people today, you just look at someone a bit sideways, and they pull a gun on you. It is no wonder we can see this lack of trust in these threads.

The other point is that there are some people who are riding the hype, trying to cash in big, but they usually end up having to get a real job at some point. The point is that there are not many people retiring on the money they made selling UFO stories.

Most people do have something that they can't explain away so easily. I see a lot of them in here, looking for answers.

I believe there are some parts of most stories in here, that are imbellished a bit, for drama. The core events are true in most cases, but things tend to be spiced up a bit.

Look at yourselves and tell me that this is not true....if you can be honest about it?

Originally posted by millerman
No, your logic is flawed here.
I have wondered myself if CSETI has better footage than that, like UFOs coming in much much closer, and if so, why they haven't posted it online.... however just because they haven't posted really convincing footage does NOT mean they are lying.

There's nothing wrong with my logic.

Greer claims to vector in UFOs. He can't prove it. He is making the big claim, not me. He has to prove that he can do it, if he wants to be taken seriously.

Richard Lalancette and you are claiming that the military have effective counter-measures against vectored UFOs. Neither of you can prove it.

CSETI don't have proven footage of vectored UFOs, otherwise they would publish it worldwide and live wealthy lives from the royalties. If they don't have the footage, then it means that they are lying, as they make claims that they can't prove.